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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #810 on: 01 August 2018, 08:36:54 »
hey Scotty,
thanks for checking.

. . .  The unmodified damage is correct, but OV2 doesn't mean "reduce short range damage by 2", it still uses the heat-modified damage and rounds normally.  A short range value or 4.6 with that heat level will be reduced to 3.407, which rounds up to 4.  . . .

Final damage value should be 4 / 3 / 0* with OV2.

ah, okay, got it.

so in this case the Anzu - and i suppose there are more mechs out there -, with a (unmodified) maximum short range damage of 5, gains one potential extra damage point by OV calculation. nice cheat  :D  ;D

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #811 on: 10 August 2018, 12:35:02 »
The Warhammer IIC 10 and 11 and the Marauder IIC 8 have clearly too early intro dates.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6859/warhammer-iic-10 2938
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6858/warhammer-iic-11 2938
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2072/marauder-iic-8 3025

Warhammer IIC 10 and 11 have intro dates moved to Late Republic.  Thanks for pointing those out.

I misplaced/lost some of the conversation, so this is being reviewed again. 
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #812 on: 25 August 2018, 01:29:53 »
In case people didn't see the relevant thread in the Alpha Strike forums, the AS PV update has been rolled out onto the MUL.  Please ensure that you're using the updated PV calculation formula as found in the ASC errata if you're reporting any PV errors.  Thanks.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #813 on: 15 September 2018, 12:52:19 »
Ballista Self Propelled Artillery Tank

TRO entry and record sheet in Historical - Liberation of Terra Vol. 2

Ballista has three MGs - two in the front, one in the rear - so it should have a damage output of 0*/0/0 not 1/0/0.

and a question:
several units, who have their artillery weapons in a turret (Ballista, Regulator Hover, ...), do not have the TUR(ARTxx) special. is there a reason for this? i could not find an explanation . . .
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #814 on: 16 September 2018, 09:34:11 »
Mad Cat Mk. IV C Alpha Strike Calculations Error

Unit: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6573/mad-cat-mk-iv-savage-wolf-c

Error: The Alpha Strike damage values for this unit appear to be incorrect. My math below (Scotty ran identical calculations in another thread) reveals what seems to be a case of 'left out the XXL Engine heat'.

Long Range Damage Calculation (2x LRM-15 with Artemis V, 2x Clan ER Large Laser, 30 heat dissipation, XXL Engine): 1.26 + 1.26 + 1 + 1 = 4.52. Then (4.52 * 30) / (38 - 4) = 3.988 = Round to 4.

The stat card says 5.

Similar behavior exists in the Short and Mid range calculations, where I wind up with 4.3 damage after rounding. It appears like the XXL engine heat was instead calculated as standard engine heat (2 heat instead of the proper 4), resulting in damage values a bit higher than they should be. I think the correct damage for the Mad Cat Mk. IV C is 4 across all ranges.

(I also suspect, but have not checked in detail, that the other Mad Cat Mk IVs have the same issue. Eyeballing the damage on them makes me think 'aren't most of those 1 point higher than they should be?')
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #815 on: 16 September 2018, 09:51:15 »
The Long range on the Mad Cat Mk IV C should be 4 (and reducing PV to 57).
The Medium and Short range 4.3 rounds up to 5 (non special damage always rounds up).  So no change there.

Thanks. I'll go through the other Mad Cat Mk IV's as I have time.

Prime dropped at S and M and added OV (PV adjusted as well).  A and B were fine.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #816 on: 16 September 2018, 10:09:38 »
Ballista Self Propelled Artillery Tank
Thanks, corrected.
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and a question:
several units, who have their artillery weapons in a turret (Ballista, Regulator Hover, ...), do not have the TUR(ARTxx) special. is there a reason for this? i could not find an explanation . . .
The artillery rules in the first/second printing don't have firing arcs, so there was no need to specify they are in a turret.
With the new standard rules artillery in the errata, they do have firing arcs, so yeah we will need to go through and update those.  Thanks.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #817 on: 16 September 2018, 11:00:42 »
Thanks! Just to confirm before I go reporting any other units for Alpha Strike math... any unit with a decimal damage value (other than the 0 to 0.5 'minimum damage rule' situation) always rounds up to the next integer? Even if the decimal is #.01 to #.49?

For example, I'm checking out the Mad Cat Mk. II ( http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4565/mad-cat-mk-ii-standard ) and I wind up with...

Close Calculation: 1.245 (Gauss) + 1.245 (Gauss) + 0.6 (LRM-10) + 0.6 (LRM-10) + 0.7 (ERML) + 0.7 (ERML) + 0.7 (ERML) + 0.7 (ERML) = 6.49 base damage before heat modifiers.
Close modified by heat: (6.49 * 28 HeatDissipation) / (32 MaxHeat - 4 ) = 6.49
Close Rounded to Final: 7

Mid Calculation: 1.5 (Gauss) + 1.5 (Gauss) + 2.8 (4x ERML) + 1.2 (2x LRM-10) = 7.0
Modified by heat: Works out to 7.0, skipping further calculations on Mid

Long Calculation: 3.0 (2x Gauss) + 1.2 (2x LRM-10) = 4.2
No long modification for heat required in this case, so 4.2 rounds up to 5.

Resulting in the 7/7/5 we see on the MUL. Is this right? If so, I'll take a look at a few others to make sure my calculations are right before making any further reports.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #818 on: 16 September 2018, 11:08:06 »
Yes, round up. Unless it’s a special ability (lrm, srm, flk, if, etc), special abilities are round normal.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #819 on: 16 September 2018, 15:14:47 »
That's correct, and why the Bombast Laser (1.02 damage) is hilarious in Alpha Strike conversions.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #820 on: 18 September 2018, 08:00:15 »
I think the PV of this unit is wrong:
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3457/vtol-infantry-hachiman-taro-enterprise-extraction-force

calculated by hand:

offensive = 1

movement = 1.25
DIR = ((2*1 + 2*2) * 1.2) = 7.2 => 7
total defensive = 1.25 + 7 = 8.25

total PV = 1 + 8.25 = 9.25 => 9

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #821 on: 21 September 2018, 11:47:24 »
None of the Units listed Handbook House Kurita are in the MUL.
I did double checked the MUL, they are still not there.

Are they still going be still added?  Do you guys need me give you page numbers etc?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #822 on: 25 September 2018, 08:03:38 »
I was looking at the Marksman Artillery Vehicle (Standard) and it is listed as general IS availability in the late SW yet it comes with ferro armor?

I thought Ferro would make it not available in this era?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #823 on: 25 September 2018, 21:38:20 »
I think that one should be extinct in renaissance.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #824 on: 15 October 2018, 19:10:50 »
Suggestion: Add the "Royal" variants to the Member States and Associate Member States from Era Report: 2750, which were available as per page 143:
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To reflect Star League designs and technology creeping into the rest of the Inner Sphere, any unit on the Random Assignment Table that is noted with an asterisk (*) also has a “Royal” model available for play that is normally only found in Star League divisions, but may appear outside of SLDF ranks due to field modifications or other sources. To determine which model may be used, the controlling player must make a special 2D6 roll after the unit is selected. If this “Royal Check” equals or exceeds 10, the “Royal” model may be used. Otherwise, the player must choose the standard model. These Royal designs may be found in Record Sheets: Operation Klondike (RSOK) unless otherwise noted.


Below is a list of all those with Royal variants available, some of which have already been added to the MUL as-described, while some have not.

Inner Sphere General
CRD-3R Crusader
HER-1Sb Hermes
LCT-1Vb Locust
OTT-7Jb Ostscout
STK-3Fb Stalker
STG-3Gb Stinger
THE-N Thorn
WHM-6Rb Warhammer

Periphery General
CRD-3R Crusader
LCT-1Vb Locust
OTT-7Jb Ostscout
STK-3Fb Stalker
STG-3Gb Stinger
THE-N Thorn
TDR-5Sb2 Thunderbolt

Capellan Confederation
CHP-2N Champion
OSR-2Cb Ostroc
 
Draconis Combine
ARC-2Rb Archer
STN-3Lb Sentinel
TDR-5Sb2 Thunderbolt
WHM-6Rb Warhammer

Federated Suns
ARC-2Rb Archer
TDR-5Sb2 Thunderbolt

Free Worlds League
OSR-2Cb Ostroc
TDR-5Sb2 Thunderbolt

Lyran Commonwealth
OSR-2Cb Ostroc
FLC-4Nb Falcon

Rim Worlds Republic
HER-1Sb Hermes
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« Reply #825 on: 17 October 2018, 22:29:38 »
After setting up a complete set of factories for our online campaign, I did notice that there was a notable lack of advanced tech in the RWA, despite the language of FR:2765:

This seems to indicate that, for 12 years, the Imperial Divisions were modernizing with SLDF equipment. Feels like some of the TRO:2750 designs would be listed in the "Rim Worlds Republic: Home Guard", such as those listed in 2765 on page 18 (Black Knight, Excalibur, Highlander, King Crab) and on page 19 (Atlas).

Surely, these advanced designs went with the Liberation Army to Terra, but for those 12 years, they were in the Republic proper. I'm sure it's come up before, but just asking if you guys can take a look. The list feels a bit "anemic" for a force capable of defeating the SLDF on its home ground. :)
Bump on this one. Any word on it? And if "no," what would the reasoning be? I ask because factories are a part of an ongoing campaign, so it'd be helpful :)
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #826 on: 20 October 2018, 19:46:04 »
Add card for Thrush TR-5: Identical to TR-7 but with Ferro Aluminum armor
Add Transit TR-9 (entry and card): Identical to TR-10 but with Ferro Aluminum armor--2 additional armor points aft and 15 rounds of AC ammo
(Both fighter's variants described in Second Succession War, p. 110, and Field Report 2765: CCAF, p. 18.)


Replace Star Dagger (Unknown) with Star Dagger S-2B:  Same as S-2 but with standard components. Replace engine with 240 rating. Replace small laser with medium laser. Armor layout is 34/22/18
Described in Second Succession War, p. 110, and I found an old post about it from nckestrel.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #827 on: 04 November 2018, 10:49:42 »
Mad Cat III Standard might be Missing a Faction

Unit: Mad Cat III Standard

Link: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4561/mad-cat-iii-standard

Overview: I believe the Mad Cat III Standard should be added to the Mercenary unit list for Early Republic, Late Republic, and Dark Ages.

Reasoning and Evidence: The other models of Mad Cat III are listed as Mercenary units, and no special lore exists to establish why they wouldn't buy the Standard model as well. Additionally, page 148 of TRO: Experimental states "the Diamond Sharks are readily selling the Mad Cat III to every interested buyer." It lists several Houses in particular, but I imagine mercenaries would want this machine too.

Additionally, Mercenaries are listed as buyers for most other 'for Inner Sphere purchasers' Mad Cats, such as Mad Cat Mk. II and Mad Cat Mk. IV.

Edit: Further, the Kell Hounds and Wolf's Dragoons are also listed as users for the Standard model.

Suggested Change: Add Mad Cat III (Standard) to Mercenary listings for those three eras (Early Republic, Late Republic, Dark Ages).

Thank you for your time!
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #828 on: 06 December 2018, 13:06:01 »
Thor II E is missing from the MUL

The variant appeared only in the 3150 book and not in the original 3145 rendition. It has a full stat line, not just a description, and should be easy to include with a proper BV and AS card.

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« Reply #829 on: 09 December 2018, 20:20:23 »
Fast Recon Cavalry Point, 67th BattleMech Cluster, Iota Galaxy
 
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Hi,  this should be listed as Hover infantry, not wheeled.
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