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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #600 on: 25 February 2017, 03:11:35 »
Firestarter FS9-K
THE MUL has this mech extinct since the 1st SW (and then available to only Liao) yet the description seems to indicate it was in production by the Lyrans but not as prolific as the base model and would certainly be more numerous than the 'Mirage'.

Can this be reviewed for canonicity?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #601 on: 25 February 2017, 14:33:31 »
The only data we were able to find on the FS9-K was that it was not produced for long in the LC; it was overshadowed by the FS9-H; and the only reference to it at all was in the Liao Field Report. We assumed that some were sold to all of the great houses but that they all turned them down with the run being dumped off on Liao for one reason or another.

Not exactly the best information to work with on that one.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #602 on: 26 February 2017, 03:08:05 »
thanks cavingjan; it certainly sounds as though there is limited information. Could I suggest that its not unlike the Whitworth and therefore a lot of these machines went into the open market and given it had more than the one year of production versus the 'Mirage' it would be more common and you could have quite a few in private hands. Given the availability of parts it would be safe to assume these survived. I would also like to think that it's not unlike the Blackjack in that mech warriors figured out over time that the bad reputation was unjustified???

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #603 on: 04 March 2017, 15:27:14 »
Sprite [Standard]
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5109/sprite-ultraheavy-protomech-standard

Conversion information and tables per AlphaStrike Companion p.90-141 {errata noted}
Stats from Wars of Reaving - Supplemental p.50

OFV = 9.5
DFV = 8.25 {8.75 pre-Jump errata}
GFB = 0

Total PV = 17.75 {18.25} or 18; currently listed as 20

Sprite [2]
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5636/sprite-ultraheavy-protomech-2

per Wars of Reaving - Supplemental p.51...
Units are missing "LTAG" among listed specials
{No apparent increase in cost when compiled with latest Jump-capable errata}

**disregard; I found the errata**
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« Reply #604 on: 08 March 2017, 19:02:43 »
Exterminator EXT-4D

Current: SLDF, Royal Divisions, RWA/AEAF Terran Corps
Suggested: IS General, SLDF, Royal Divisions, RWA/AEAF Terran Corps

Why? The EXT-4D came out in 2620. 10 years later, the stealth version (EXT-4C) came out. The -4D has no restricted technologies whatsoever. The XLE and AMS were pieces of equipment on units which were sold as SLDF surplus to Member States (and the Periphery). It doesn't even have a Guardian ECM Suite or Active Probe.

Seems to me like the EXT-4D was the "consumer-grade" model, sold off to prospective buyers, while the EXT-4C and SPR-4F were kept as Royal-exclusive, fulfilling the mission of "seek-and-destroy". That would explain its appearance in Great House RATs and the sheer numbers surviving into the early Succession Wars. Had it been SLDF / HAF exclusive, most (if not all) of the advanced units (i.e: Devastator, Nightstar, Spector, etc.) would have been destroyed during the drive for Terra or evacuated on the Exodus. The standard models (EXT-4D) would probably be left behind; and they were.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #605 on: 09 March 2017, 08:39:39 »
Trooper TRP-1 and Trooper TP-1R

Trooper (no exact designation) is mentioned in TRO 3039 (on p. 242) as an original name for a 'Mech, that later become known as Flea. The MUL lists Trooper TRP-1 as a 'Mech from TRO 3039, but lists no official record sheet for it. There is also Trooper TRP-1R in the MUL from XTRO Primitives V. Both TRP-1 and TRP-1R have the same introduction date (2475).

I don't own XTRO Primitives V, so I can't be 100% certain, but I suspect, that TRP-1 and TRP-1R are supposed to be the same 'Mech variant (XTRO Primitives V provides official stats for the 'Mech mentioned in TRO 3039) in which case one of the MUL entries needs to be removed.

Recommendation - remove the Trooper with designation not matching the XTRO (Trooper TRP-1 most likely) from the MUL, unless Trooper TRP-1 and Trooper TP-1R are indeed meant to be two different models.

EDIT: Strange thing... When I look for the Trooper in MUL by name, the TRP-1 variant is not listed, but when I list all TRO 3039 units by source - it is there. A leftover after removal somehow done incorrectly, perhaps?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #606 on: 09 March 2017, 11:02:17 »
Per the TRO:3075 errata doc, the Von Rohrs (Hebis) should be changed to Von Rohrs (Hebi)

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #607 on: 09 March 2017, 20:55:37 »
The Trooper TRP-1 and Trooper TP-1R situation (described two posts above) seems to be mostly resolved, but they still link to each other as "Other Models". Other than that I must say I'm pleasantly surprised, that MUL maintainers react so quickly to errata reports. Good job guys.

Edit: Huh? I could swear, that when I wrote this post the TRP-1 was removed from the list of units in TRO 3039, but it appears to be back there again.
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« Reply #608 on: 10 March 2017, 00:46:11 »
I reported the same issue a month or so ago. They generally fix errors in fairly short order. If something isn't attended to, I suspect there is some internal conversation that takes place.

If you search for units and uncheck the 'Only units w/Battle Value' box, the mysterious TRP-1 reappears

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #609 on: 10 March 2017, 03:41:45 »
Source: TRO 3050
Issue: Wrong Era icon
Affects:
Ripper Infantry Transport (Infantry) - shows Civil War, intro is Jihad
Puma Assault Tank PAT-007 - shows Civil War, intro is Jihad
Assassin ASN-30 - shows Clan Invasion, intro is Civil War
Ahab AHB-643 - shows Clan Invasion, intro is Civil War

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #610 on: 10 March 2017, 16:22:27 »
Unit: the Dragon-5nr.

Issue: It has a C3 slave but lacks the C3S and MQ1 specials.  I did not compute PV to see if it already reflects the C3.  I suspect it does not, though.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #611 on: 11 March 2017, 19:05:47 »
Unit: the Dragon-5nr.

Issue: It has a C3 slave but lacks the C3S and MQ1 specials.  I did not compute PV to see if it already reflects the C3.  I suspect it does not, though.

I did some fiddling with a builder program, and adding the C3Slave would put the Dragon -5Nr overweight by 1 ton.
However, it looks like the Record Sheet (RS3085_ONN p.88) is in error, as the TRO entry upgrade for the Dragon (3085, p.190) does not mention an Artemis upgrade to the LRMs.

Dropping Artemis for the C3 Slave would make up for that that 1-ton difference. (record sheet needs the errata).

As far as "PV" calcs?  No real change in damage, so once the Record Sheet Errata goes through, I suppose the following...
OFV = ~12.5
DFV = 19.25
GFB = 1.0
Total = 32.75 ~ 33 PV
Specials: CASE, C3S, MHQ1, IF1
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #612 on: 14 March 2017, 00:43:10 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2033/marauder-mad-1r

Page 10 of the Field Report 2765 Periphery states that "Beginning in 2753, MMM also began production of the MAD-1R Marauder under a contract with the Free Worlds League that allows the MAF to receive twenty-five percent of each production runs. This has added hundreds of Marauders to the otherwise underweight MAF BattleMech forces."

So under the Star League era, the Magistracy of Canopus should be added to the list of users, and I'd suggest that since "hundreds" existed in the MAF, that even with the loses of the Periphery Uprising, it should still be around in noticeable numbers for part of the First Succession War. Thus it should be listed as available to the MoC during the First Succession War as well (the 1st Succession War RAT backs this up, though that's not the greatest source, I know).

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #613 on: 23 March 2017, 01:02:50 »
According to TRO 3145, the Vulture MKIII should have the VRT (Variable Range Targeting) special ability.

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« Reply #614 on: 25 March 2017, 09:48:03 »
Just checking in to rattle the cage around the CPLT-K2 Catapult intro date question/debate, figuring it has been some time, and hoping it was not lost in the shuffle.  It shan't be appearing in HBS's upcoming Battletech game, regardless, but for personal sanity, am hoping to see it restored to it's proper pre 3025 introduction date.

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« Reply #615 on: 25 March 2017, 11:59:13 »
It will be pre-3025: that's guaranteed.  It's just a matter of nailing down the exact date.
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« Reply #616 on: 25 March 2017, 21:27:13 »
It will be pre-3025: that's guaranteed.  It's just a matter of nailing down the exact date.

heck, just having that confirmed is a huge weight off. Lurf mah K2s!

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #617 on: 26 March 2017, 07:41:14 »
Any update on the Firefly?

FFL-4A Firefly has a MUL date of 2801 and even the oldest Firefly model, the FFL-2SLE, has a date of 2790

Operation Klondike pg. 164 clearly states the Firefly was a mainstay of the SLDF and introduced in the "27th century."

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« Reply #618 on: 26 March 2017, 13:06:41 »
Any update on the Firefly?

FFL-4A Firefly has a MUL date of 2801 and even the oldest Firefly model, the FFL-2SLE, has a date of 2790

Operation Klondike pg. 164 clearly states the Firefly was a mainstay of the SLDF and introduced in the "27th century."

Look up the FFL-3A. It doesn't have a Battle Value listed in the MUL, but it's the first one introduced [2679]. The BV would be 797.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #619 on: 28 March 2017, 10:40:00 »
Where's the record sheet on that one?
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« Reply #620 on: 28 March 2017, 13:03:51 »
Where's the record sheet on that one?

There isn't one.  It was described but no record sheet.
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« Reply #621 on: 31 March 2017, 16:09:15 »
What is the status of things like the Roughneck from MWO?  We keep hearing Randall Bills has declared them canon, was curious if that considered so, or only after/if they are actually added to a "paper" CGL supplement? Also how this affects the unique "hero" versions of mechs?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #622 on: 03 April 2017, 08:52:38 »
DRG-5Nr fixed.
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« Reply #623 on: 03 April 2017, 08:56:25 »
According to TRO 3145, the Vulture MKIII should have the VRT (Variable Range Targeting) special ability.

The MUL isn't showing quirks for any units, we're not going to just do one.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #624 on: 03 April 2017, 08:58:26 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2033/marauder-mad-1r

Page 10 of the Field Report 2765 Periphery states that "Beginning in 2753, MMM also began production of the MAD-1R Marauder under a contract with the Free Worlds League that allows the MAF to receive twenty-five percent of each production runs. This has added hundreds of Marauders to the otherwise underweight MAF BattleMech forces."

So under the Star League era, the Magistracy of Canopus should be added to the list of users, and I'd suggest that since "hundreds" existed in the MAF, that even with the loses of the Periphery Uprising, it should still be around in noticeable numbers for part of the First Succession War. Thus it should be listed as available to the MoC during the First Succession War as well (the 1st Succession War RAT backs this up, though that's not the greatest source, I know).

MAD-1R adjusted, thanks.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #625 on: 03 April 2017, 09:04:29 »
CPLT-K2 updated.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #626 on: 03 April 2017, 09:07:01 »
Source: TRO 3050
Issue: Wrong Era icon
Affects:
Ripper Infantry Transport (Infantry) - shows Civil War, intro is Jihad
Puma Assault Tank PAT-007 - shows Civil War, intro is Jihad
Assassin ASN-30 - shows Clan Invasion, intro is Civil War
Ahab AHB-643 - shows Clan Invasion, intro is Civil War

Updated, thanks.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #627 on: 03 April 2017, 09:09:09 »
Duplicate Trooper deleted.
The older entry didn't have a BV, so it didn't show up in some searches that automatically have "only units w/Battle Value" selected.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #628 on: 03 April 2017, 09:50:29 »
TI-1A Titan has a MUL date of 2787.
TRO: 3075 pg. 94 gives a prototype date of 2765 and references General Aleksandr Kerensky.
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FFL-4A Firefly has a MUL date of 2801 and even the oldest Firefly mode, the FFL-2SLE, has a date of 2790
Operation Klondike pg. 164 clearly states the Firefly was a mainstay of the SLDF and introduced in the "27th century."
FFL-3A was the SLDF model.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #629 on: 03 April 2017, 09:55:10 »
BEAR CUB (Standard)

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/314/bear-cub-standard

should not have long range damage value of 1

its only long range weapon is a lrm5, converts with 0.3 points of damage, which qualify for a long range damage of 0*

(sources: TRO3075 and SSW)

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