Register Register

Author Topic: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST  (Read 122420 times)

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #870 on: 23 May 2019, 11:15:20 »
Mad Cat III Standard might be Missing a Faction

Unit: Mad Cat III Standard

Link: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4561/mad-cat-iii-standard

Overview: I believe the Mad Cat III Standard should be added to the Mercenary unit list for Early Republic, Late Republic, and Dark Ages.

Reasoning and Evidence: The other models of Mad Cat III are listed as Mercenary units, and no special lore exists to establish why they wouldn't buy the Standard model as well. Additionally, page 148 of TRO: Experimental states "the Diamond Sharks are readily selling the Mad Cat III to every interested buyer." It lists several Houses in particular, but I imagine mercenaries would want this machine too.

Additionally, Mercenaries are listed as buyers for most other 'for Inner Sphere purchasers' Mad Cats, such as Mad Cat Mk. II and Mad Cat Mk. IV.

Edit: Further, the Kell Hounds and Wolf's Dragoons are also listed as users for the Standard model.

Suggested Change: Add Mad Cat III (Standard) to Mercenary listings for those three eras (Early Republic, Late Republic, Dark Ages).

Thank you for your time!

done.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #871 on: 23 May 2019, 11:18:22 »
I was looking at the Marksman Artillery Vehicle (Standard) and it is listed as general IS availability in the late SW yet it comes with ferro armor?

I thought Ferro would make it not available in this era?

Removed from Late Succession Wars.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #872 on: 23 May 2019, 11:26:48 »
Thor II E is missing from the MUL

The variant appeared only in the 3150 book and not in the original 3145 rendition. It has a full stat line, not just a description, and should be easy to include with a proper BV and AS card.

Done.
« Last Edit: 23 May 2019, 13:56:20 by nckestrel »
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #873 on: 23 May 2019, 12:21:43 »
Thang-Ta changed to 3079.  Marten Scout VTOL, 3021 is 124 years before 3145. So that is "more than a century".

Oops, sorry for wasting your time, I was tired and I read that as 3121.

A couple more small catches:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6595/di-multipurpose-light-vtol-standard
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6596/di-multipurpose-light-vtol-gunship

Problem: Both entries use "DI Multipurpose Light VTOL ..." in the unit name. TRO:3145 LC pp. 12-13, the unit is only referred to as "DI Multipurpose VTOL ...". Personally I think it is clear, but I just thought I would mention it.



http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6488/red-kite-attack-vtol-standard

Problem: Date Introduced is 3121. From TRO:3145 FWL, the first line of the description states, "Imstar introduced the Red Kite in 3093,..."

If errata should be reported for TRO:3145 FWL, let me know. Thank you!
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #874 on: 23 May 2019, 13:59:04 »
Oops, sorry for wasting your time, I was tired and I read that as 3121.

A couple more small catches:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6595/di-multipurpose-light-vtol-standard
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6596/di-multipurpose-light-vtol-gunship

Problem: Both entries use "DI Multipurpose Light VTOL ..." in the unit name. TRO:3145 LC pp. 12-13, the unit is only referred to as "DI Multipurpose VTOL ...". Personally I think it is clear, but I just thought I would mention it.

There never was a standard for naming vehicles like there has been for 'mechs, so the MUL created one.  In particular, giving the "type" of vehicle in the name. This is throughout vehicles.  It doesn't mean it's more correct (or less), just that we have a standard we use that is often more than what the TRs have had.

Quote

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6488/red-kite-attack-vtol-standard

Problem: Date Introduced is 3121. From TRO:3145 FWL, the first line of the description states, "Imstar introduced the Red Kite in 3093,..."

If errata should be reported for TRO:3145 FWL, let me know. Thank you!
S.gage

Fixed, thanks.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

Azakael

  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 702
  • Brotherhood of Outreach - Until the Sword Breaks
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #875 on: 23 May 2019, 23:45:40 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3782/bandit-hovercraft-base

Problem: Base variant of the Bandit Hovercraft is listed as only available to Wolf's Dragoons until its extinction after the Jihad. All other variants list the Bandit with Mercenary and Wolf's Dragoons availability until their extinction.

Considering that the Base variant is any variant sans pod-mounted equipment -
Solution: Add Mercenary to the Civil War and Jihad availability for the Bandit Hovercraft Base. (Would also check the Badger availability too.)

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #876 on: 24 May 2019, 18:44:51 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6374/saracen-mk-ii-hcv-bc3

Problem: The "Date Introduced" for the Saracen Mk II (BC3) is currently 3138. TRO: 3145 DC, p. 12, Saracen Mk II, Variants, first sentence, states "Scarborough began producing a C3 variant in 3140 at the DCMS’ request"

Solution: Either adjust the date on the MUL, or in TRO: 3145 DC. If errata is for the TRO is preferable, let me know and I can take care of reporting it. Thanks!

S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

Frabby

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 3379
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #877 on: 25 May 2019, 03:06:01 »
I randomly browsed the MUL for aerospace units with "None" as TRO or RS sourcing. I'm not sure if I agree with all those entries:

- The "Manassas Heavy Cruiser" is a misnomer, imho. It's a one-off modified Aegis. There is no "Manassas" class, not even in spirit.

- The Dragoons' "Hephaestus Station" is a unique, one-off FrankenStation based off or at least including parts of the Olympus and Alliance class stations.

- The "Peregrine class JumpShip" - are you sure you're not referring to the ustatted Peregrine WarShip here?

- What's the difference between a "Newgrange" and a "Newgrange III"?
Author of the BattleCorps stories Feather vs. Mountain, Rise and Shine, Proprietary, Trial of Faith & scenario Twins
Sarna.net BattleTechWiki Admin

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #878 on: 25 May 2019, 03:15:15 »
If it’s modified, then it has different stats and is a doffferent unit.
We note them as a reminder they exist Incase somebody wants to use time again.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

surfimp

  • Recruit
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #879 on: 25 May 2019, 10:51:24 »
It appears the Flea FLE-16, listed in the new Succession Wars record sheets, is missing from the MUL.


S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #880 on: 26 May 2019, 12:52:00 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6387/sm2-heavy-artillery-vehicle-ltc

Note: This might not be errata, since the original article is a little ambiguous.

Problem: The SM2 (Long Tom Cannon) shares the same Date Introduced with the standard SM2, 3093. There are a few lines in TRO:3145 DC that seem to imply it was introduced 20+ years later:

P. 26:
"After the Second Combine-Dominion War, the Combine removed the LAW-Barcella factory from the Clan."
"...few within the Clan wept at the loss of the SM2. The military bureaucrats within the Dragon felt differently, as the production facility was meticulously rebuilt within twenty years of its dismantling."
"The Combine experimented with a Long Tom cannon version of the SM2, and produces a limited quantity of the tank."

Since LAW was involved in the design of CNC's original SM2, did they also prod the Cats to make the Long Tom version in 3093, or did LAW introduce this new variant after rebuilding the factory on Hyner?
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #881 on: 28 May 2019, 15:01:55 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1060/ferret-light-scout-vtol-standard

Problem: Ferret Light Scout VTOL lists 2901 as its "Date Introduced". Both TRO:3026 (original FASA) and TRO:3039 (print) say the Ferret was introduced in 2904.

From TRO:3026, p. 4, last sentence of the first paragraph:
"First issued to Davion troops in 2904, the Ferret is now also in service with Steiner, Marik, and some worlds of the Periphery."
From TRO: 3039, p. 8, first sentence:
"The Ferret Light Scout VTOL is a Federated Suns reconnaissance rotor craft introduced in 2904."

Solution: either change the MUL listing to 2904, or I can write errata for both technical readouts. Thanks!
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #882 on: 28 May 2019, 15:21:15 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1060/ferret-light-scout-vtol-standard

Problem: Ferret Light Scout VTOL lists 2901 as its "Date Introduced". Both TRO:3026 (original FASA) and TRO:3039 (print) say the Ferret was introduced in 2904.

From TRO:3026, p. 4, last sentence of the first paragraph:
"First issued to Davion troops in 2904, the Ferret is now also in service with Steiner, Marik, and some worlds of the Periphery."
From TRO: 3039, p. 8, first sentence:
"The Ferret Light Scout VTOL is a Federated Suns reconnaissance rotor craft introduced in 2904."

Solution: either change the MUL listing to 2904, or I can write errata for both technical readouts. Thanks!
S.gage

Changed MUL date to 2904.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #883 on: 28 May 2019, 15:24:52 »
It appears the Flea FLE-16, listed in the new Succession Wars record sheets, is missing from the MUL.

Yes, haven’t gotten to it.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #884 on: 28 May 2019, 15:36:44 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6387/sm2-heavy-artillery-vehicle-ltc

Note: This might not be errata, since the original article is a little ambiguous.

Problem: The SM2 (Long Tom Cannon) shares the same Date Introduced with the standard SM2, 3093. There are a few lines in TRO:3145 DC that seem to imply it was introduced 20+ years later:

P. 26:
"After the Second Combine-Dominion War, the Combine removed the LAW-Barcella factory from the Clan."
"...few within the Clan wept at the loss of the SM2. The military bureaucrats within the Dragon felt differently, as the production facility was meticulously rebuilt within twenty years of its dismantling."
"The Combine experimented with a Long Tom cannon version of the SM2, and produces a limited quantity of the tank."

Since LAW was involved in the design of CNC's original SM2, did they also prod the Cats to make the Long Tom version in 3093, or did LAW introduce this new variant after rebuilding the factory on Hyner?

The Combine had some LTC SM2s before they took over the factory.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #885 on: 28 May 2019, 15:37:58 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6374/saracen-mk-ii-hcv-bc3

Problem: The "Date Introduced" for the Saracen Mk II (BC3) is currently 3138. TRO: 3145 DC, p. 12, Saracen Mk II, Variants, first sentence, states "Scarborough began producing a C3 variant in 3140 at the DCMS’ request"

Solution: Either adjust the date on the MUL, or in TRO: 3145 DC. If errata is for the TRO is preferable, let me know and I can take care of reporting it. Thanks!

S.gage

Changed to 3140, thanks.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #886 on: 29 May 2019, 14:41:30 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1390/harasser-missile-platform-standard
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1386/harasser-missile-platform-leaping-lisa
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1389/harasser-missile-platform-lrm

Problem: Dates Introduced. According to the text of TRO:3026 (original FASA), p. 18, the Harasser was introduced in 2829 (2nd sentence):
"In 2829, House Marik commissioned the Harasser as a companion vehicle to the Galleon."

The three entries above list "Date Introduced" as 2811, 2815, and 2821.

TRO:3039, p. 28, makes no direct mention of the introduction date, but it does reference the same story re: the Harasser's role accompanying Galleons, and losses incurred during the Second Succession War forcing Harasser deployment as a replacement for 2nd line and garrison formations being pressed into front-line service. The later date also fits better with this story - if the Harasser was introduced in 2811 (vs. 2829), it would have 19 years to be deployed with Galleons (vs. just months to deploy in its intended role).

Solution: change these "Date Introduced" entries to dates starting with 2829.
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

Maelwys

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 4494
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #887 on: 04 June 2019, 22:36:11 »
The data for the Scavenger, the Scavenger MilitiaMech and the Vampyr are all missing data. I'd suggest just expanding and cut and pasting what's already there for the most part, though I would probably make the MilitiaMech Canopian only, since the fluff states that its rare.
« Last Edit: 06 June 2019, 04:17:08 by Maelwys »

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #888 on: 05 June 2019, 16:37:26 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2154/mechbuster-standard
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2153/mechbuster-srm

Problem:
Without any explicit dates in TRO:3039, TRO:3026, p. 46, 'MechBuster, states that the "Date Introduced" is 3023. Quote from 2nd sentence-
"Designed in 3023, the 'MechBuster is assigned to replace AeroSpace Fighters in providing air support for garrison forces."
Both links for the 'MechBuster from the MUL list "Date Introduced" before, in 3002 and 3022, respectively.

Solution: Adjust the dates in MUL, or write errata for TRO:3026. If errata for TRO:3026 is preferred, I can post if there is a thread for it. Thank you!
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #889 on: 06 June 2019, 16:57:23 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2935/sholagar-sl-21
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5227/thrush-tr-5
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3201/thrush-tr-7

Problem: From TRO:3039, p. 198, Sholagar, Overview-
"Later used as the base for the Capellan Thrush, the airframe was small and fit well into transports, but its circular wings were unstable in atmospheric flight, resulting in many crashes."
Both the TR-5 and TR-7 Thrush predate the Sholagar on the MUL.

Solutions:
Revise the passage in TRO:3039 to read, "Based on the earlier Capellan Thrush, the airframe was small and fit well into transports, but its circular wings were unstable in atmospheric flight, resulting in many crashes." (best option)
or
Change the "Date Introduced" for the Sholagar to between the TR-5 and TR-7, or to before both the TR-5 and TR-7. This is a much worse option because errata for several publications would be required (for TRO:3025, 3039, etc.)

If errata is required for TRO:3039, I can post it in the thread.
S.gage
« Last Edit: 06 June 2019, 17:01:01 by S.gage »
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #890 on: 06 June 2019, 17:31:20 »
That following 3 report unpublished variants missing from the MUL. Since other unpublished variants are at least listed in the MUL, I thought I would bring them to your attention. Additionally, unpublished earlier variants (of the Corsair, especially) may warrant adjusting some of the "Date Introduced" for published variants:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Sparrowhawk

Problem: There are no entries for unpublished versions of the Sparrowhawk, SPR-H1, SPR-H2, SPR-H3, SPR-H4, mentioned in the first paragraph of TRO:3025 (FASA, July 1994 printing), p. 134, SPR-H5 Sparrowhawk.

==========

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Corsair

Problem: There are no entries for unpublished versions of the Corsair, CSR-V1, CSR-V2, CSR-V3, CSR-V4, CSR-V5, CSR-V6, CSR-V7, CSR-V8, mentioned in the third paragraph of TRO:3025 (FASA, July 1994 printing), p. 136, CSR-V12 Corsair.

==========

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Stuka

Problem: There are no entries for unpublished versions of the Stuka, STU-K1 and STU-K2,  mentioned in the 2nd-3rd paragraph of TRO:3025 (FASA, July 1994 printing), p. 138, STU-K5 Stuka. STU-K1 is described as having "difficulties with heat dissipation" and "structural instability". The first Stukas were introduced in 2530, according to TRO:3039, p. 220. This matches the first sentence from the second paragraph from TRO:3025, p. 138-
"The K1 prototype of this fighter rolled off the assembly line in the Lycomb plant on the planet Demeter in 2530."

S.gage
« Last Edit: 07 June 2019, 17:24:40 by S.gage »
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #891 on: 07 June 2019, 16:10:38 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Transgressor

Potential Problem: The oldest "Date Introduced" for the Transgressor is 2890. From TRO:3025, p. 150 "Transgressor", "Notable Fighters and Pilots", the bio of Colonel Harry S. Yoshita explains Col. Yoshita helped design the original Transgressor. While the bio may have been published years after his design work, it is improbable Yoshita could have helped design the Transgressor in 2890, piloted it, recorded 22 kills, and still be attempting to return to front-line duty in 3025.

Solution: 1. Ignore the discrepancy, the bio could have been written in the 30th century.
2. Adjust the MUL "Date Introduced" closer to 3025.
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #892 on: 07 June 2019, 16:31:40 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2959/slayer-sl-15

Problem: the "Date Introduced" for the SL-15 Slayer (the original production model) is 2657. TRO: 3039, p. 214, "Slayer", "Capabilities", 1st sentence starts with-
"With the Amaris Crisis raging, the Slayer’s designers had little time to craft a fi ghter’s typically complicated air frame." TRO:3025, p. 144, "SL-15 Slayer", does not heavily suggest an introduction date, simply "...before the collapse of the Star League."

Solution: Adjust the "Date Introduced" to some time during the Amaris Crisis, for instance, 2770.
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #893 on: 09 June 2019, 12:44:38 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5147/striga-s-str-o-base
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5148/striga-s-str-o-invictus
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5149/striga-s-str-oa-dominus
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5150/striga-s-str-ob-infernus
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5151/striga-s-str-oc-comminus
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5152/striga-s-str-od-luminos
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5153/striga-s-str-oe-eminus

Problem: "Date Introduced" from all of the above Striga pages is 3072. From TRO:3075, p. 102, "S-STR-O Striga", Overview, 3rd sentence-
"The Rusalka and Shade fighters that followed [the Striga's] late-3071 debut would further refine the unique silhouette-changing features that have become the Spectrals’ hallmark,..."

=========

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4170/firebird-fr-1

Problem: MUL lists the "Date Introduced" for the FR-1 Firebird as 2400. Strategic Operations, p. 15, says "Firebird (2390)".
Additionally, ED:AoW, p. 28, "Firebird", says-
"The Firebird did not survive long once aerospace technologies matured. Obsolescent from its birth, after a mere twenty years this fighter was hopelessly obsolete. The Capellan Confederation scrapped the last of its Firebirds by 2420.

While this could imply 2400, it does not preclude the CC using the "hopelessly obsolete" Firebird for an additional decade (honestly, it seems like something the old CC might do  ;) ).

Solution: Write errata for Strategic Operations
or
Adjust the "Date Introduced" for the FR-1 Firebird to 2390.

If you need errata written for Strategic Operations, I can post it, it is currently on the first Errata page.

S.gage
« Last Edit: 10 June 2019, 22:35:25 by S.gage »
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #894 on: 10 June 2019, 21:54:35 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7193/hammerhead-hmr-ha

Problem: The "Date Introduced" for the HMR-HA Hammerhead is 2402. XTRO:Primitives Vol IV, p. 13, HMR-HA Hammerhead says-
"Prototype Introduction Date: 2402"
and
"While the fighter lacked the ability to engage enemies at range, the Hegemony Armed Forces were duly impressed with the Hammerhead and ordered it into production, with the first fighters reaching HAF squadrons in 2407."
Additionally, TRO:2750 (FASA), p. 76, HMR-HD Hammerhead, "Capabilities", 2nd paragraph starts, "Engineers added the Ferro-Aluminum armor more than a century after the Hammerhead entered service in 2407."

Solution: Change "Date Introduced" to 2407.
S.gage
« Last Edit: 11 June 2019, 16:47:32 by S.gage »
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #895 on: 10 June 2019, 22:05:51 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Colt

Problem: There is a variant of the Colt Medium Fighter described in the text, mounting SRMs. Searching the MUL for Colt, only 1 entry is found. Here is the quote from XTRO:Primitives, Vol V, p. 13, "Colt Medium Fighter", 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence-
"(A short-range variant, which swapped the LRMs for quad-SRM launchers also fed by a single one-ton magazine, was introduced by EAC in 2375.)"

Thank you!
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #896 on: 16 June 2019, 15:05:24 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2682/rhino-fire-support-tank-mg

Problem: "Date Introduced" for the Rhino (MG) variant is 2653.
According to TRO:2750, p. 116, "Rhino", "Capabilities, 1st sentence- "When it appeared in 2669 to anchor defensive lines,..."
According to TRO:3050U, p. 180, "Rhino", "Overview", 1st sentence- "Introduced in 2669,..." Additionally, "Variants", 1st sentence- "There are no factory-produced variants of the Rhino.", therefore MG variant of the Rhino is a later modification of the original.

Solution: Change the "Date Introduced" for the Rhino (MG) variant to some time after 2669.
or
Write errata for the other variants of the Rhino, as well as TROs 3050U and 2750.
S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

S.gage

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 162
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #897 on: 16 June 2019, 15:31:07 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4879/puma-assault-tank-pat-001
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4880/puma-assault-tank-pat-002
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2599/puma-assault-tank-pat-005
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2600/puma-assault-tank-pat-005b
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2601/puma-assault-tank-pat-007
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2602/puma-assault-tank-pat-008

Problem: Each of these 6 Puma Assault Tank entries includes the unit type, "PAT-n". Upon reading the initial entry from TRO:2750, p. 118, "Puma", the Pumas described in this TRO have a different type-
"Overview", 1st paragraph, 4th sentence- "The modifications in the latest model of the Puma, the PMA 005 BP..."
2nd paragraph, 2nd sentence- "The first model, produced in 2650, was the PMA 001,..."
"Capabilities", 2nd paragraph- "The Puma PMA-005 BP has long-range striking power..."
4th paragraph, 2nd sentence- "This is true of the Puma, but the PMA 005 BP protects itself with a Skylight Model 5 flamer..."

Solution: replace "PAT-n" in the names on the 6 entries with "PMA-n"
or
Write errata for TRO:2750

S.gage
"WHO PUT 6 ARMOR ON THE RIFLEMAN'S HEAD?!?" - Peter S., while marking damage from a stray PPC, 1994.

"Ich bin Jadefalke!!!! Ich bin MechKrieger!!!!" - A group of students on their field trip to Leipzig, 1998.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #898 on: 16 June 2019, 15:39:29 »
The Pumas were changed in RS3050.  The current TR with the Puma (3059 Upgrsde) doesn’t give the designation.  We don’t errata 2750 as errata is only collected for CGL created products.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8546
  • Painted by Mastergunz
Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #899 on: 16 June 2019, 15:42:13 »
Solution: Change the "Date Introduced" for the Rhino (MG) variant to some time after 2669.

Rhino (MG) changed to 2725. Thanks.
Master Unit List - List of all canon units, faction availabilities, Alpha Strike unit cards, Battle Values
Combat Manual Lite series - Steiner, Liao, Marik, Calderon, Invading Clans, Comstar. Also Record Sheets for the CM: Kurita and CM: Mercs unique pilots.