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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1080 on: 17 February 2020, 11:42:17 »
Heavy Tracked APC (Standard) availability seems to be in error (as well as LRM, SRM, MG variants).

Rasalhague Dominion and Raven Alliance receive the following in the Early Republic Era

1.  Armored Personnel Carrier (Tracked) (Only for RD)
2.  Heavy Wheeled APC
3.  Heavy Hover APC

Heavy Tracked APC appears missing from the list.

Also Armored Personnel Carrier (Wheeled) was not tagged in Late Republic and Dark Age Era.

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« Reply #1081 on: 21 February 2020, 19:20:06 »
The Quirinus [MG]'s intro date is 3138 for some reason. Since the MG is in modular mount, and the other Quirinus options date from 3093, the MG variant probably should have same introduction date.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1082 on: 26 February 2020, 09:53:53 »
Should the TR-1-A Toro have movement 8” (MP4) as per XTRO:Prim IV?

Also the Sovetskii Soyuz (2742) Heavy Cruiser should be available to the Draconis Combine in the early Succession Wars era (as per page 42 Hist:1SW the DCS Sahand).

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1083 on: 07 March 2020, 13:45:10 »
Do the mobile version and the desktop site round thing differently?  The Tenshi A on mobile is 2011 BV at 4/4, but on desktop it's 2012.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1084 on: 07 March 2020, 16:14:31 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7386/padilla-anti-missile-tank-standard

the RAMS ability should be included under the TUR ability as well.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1085 on: 15 March 2020, 22:36:53 »
cross-posting here because it's applicable in both places

In Dossiers: Bounty Hunter
Pg 9: Alexander Romanov's Shadow Hawk is referred to as the SHD-2H (Romanov)
Pg 24: The record sheet refers to the same mech as the SHD-5H Sandy

The MUL designates it the SHD-5D (Sandy)

Which is correct?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1086 on: 16 March 2020, 16:50:34 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/609/clan-heavy-jump-infantry-heavy-infantry-point-91st-mechanized-assault-epsilon-galaxy

BV is wrong.  Should be 327.  Using Megameklab 47.1 for the calculations.

This has implications for TRO 3085 errata as well.

And of course there is always the worry that there is systemic BV inaccuracies in MUL infantry now.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1087 on: 23 March 2020, 09:35:21 »
some FWL units (like the royal crab) have separate availability for all six of the sub-states, but not the FWL main list. this causes those units to not show up in a search unless accounting for substates. perhaps in those cases either general FWL availability might be added or replace the MiniMarik partitions altogether.

i'll be happy to make a list if it's something you'll (eventually) act on

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1088 on: 23 March 2020, 11:31:37 »
Can you give some examples and which eras? The subfactions should be completely independent of FWL in the eras that they exist.

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« Reply #1089 on: 23 March 2020, 14:54:19 »
Can you give some examples and which eras? The subfactions should be completely independent of FWL in the eras that they exist.

my brain had the reunification happening about a decade earlier (~3130) than it actually was in 3139, which changes the question - mainly, how do you deal with added availability in the middle of an era?

Take the royal Crab for example http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/717/crab-crb-27b. It's listed as available to all six former FWL constituencies during the Dark Age years. In 3139/40, the nuFWL theoretically gains access via the amalgamation of the reformed member state militaries, but is not listed.

On the other hand, there are a small number of units that suddenly pop up as pan-FWL during this time (http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=&HasBV=false&MinTons=&MaxTons=&MinBV=&MaxBV=&MinIntro=&MaxIntro=&MinCost=&MaxCost=&HasRole=&HasBFAbility=&MinPV=&MaxPV=&Role=None+Selected&BookAuto=&FactionAuto=&Factions=30&AvailableEras=16).

I'm not advocating a specific position here, I'm really just being nosy about the internal logic.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1091 on: 27 March 2020, 17:43:11 »
I don't think we considered the nuFWL at all when we add that faction data. The couple I checked were all IS General. I could be wrong on that as it has been many years since I worked on that portion.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1092 on: 27 March 2020, 18:12:38 »
The Phoenix Hawk L, for example, has DA availability for the FWL (as opposed to some of the sub factions in the late republic).

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1093 on: 31 March 2020, 19:41:54 »
The Malice's TRO entry says it (presumably MAL-XT) entered service just before the Blackout, which happened in 3132, but MUL gives its introdate as 3134. Based on TRO, it probably should be 3132 or 3131.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1094 on: 01 April 2020, 23:34:42 »
The Wolverine-II is listed as an Intro Date of 2770.

But it was in use in the Periphery with General Kerensky during the New Vandenberg uprising in 2765.

For that matter the Atlas-II that was also in use has 2765 as its intro year.

It seems like both should be a bit earlier to make it out to a Periphery warehouse by 2765 (or earlier)
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1095 on: 04 April 2020, 00:40:31 »
-Kruger Combat Car (original):
Early and Late Republic availability listed as Extinct and Calderon Protectorate, Federated Suns, Filtvelt Coalition and The Taurian Concordant.
It was extinct before 3091 but now the extinct tag is in error.
-Strix Stealth VTOL
This VTOL is listed as listed RotS only availability and this is correct according to the original write up from XTRO:Republic vol 1 However The newer write up
in TRO 3150 changes things "Prior to the Blackout, the Republic maintained
strict export controls on the Strix, with
only the Federated Suns permitted by treaty
to purchase the vehicle. Post-crash, however,
this exclusivity was shattered as the RAF collapsed.
With enemies both internal and external
snatching up RAF equipment, availability of the
Strix rapidly spread."
So it seems the FS should get added to the early republic era and even more factions (DC/CC/Clan Wolf for example) to the late republic era.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1096 on: 04 April 2020, 10:28:43 »
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According to TRO:3150 page 170 Dark Age Availability should include mercenaries, FWL (Clan Protectorate) and perhaps RotS.
"Their biggest customers
were mid-sized mercenary units and
Nova Cat militia clusters within the Republic."
"The Spirit Cats of the Clan
Protectorate field the largest concentration of
these ‘Mechs"

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1097 on: 09 April 2020, 13:09:41 »
The Arctic Wolf II Prime is listed as available for Sea Foxes and Lyran Commonwealth from Late Republic onward. This does not apply to its configurations. I'd assume all configs should be available to Sea Foxes and Lyran Commonwealth, if the 'Mech is even intended to be available to those two factions.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1098 on: 09 April 2020, 13:59:21 »
Another availability weirdness. The Akuma 2XC is listed as available to the Republic of the Sphere, but the RotS isn't big on boosted C3 systems. This is also the sole Akuma available to the RotS. I'd say the AKU-2X would be a better fit for the RotS, instead or in addition to the 2XC.

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/22/akuma-aku-2xc
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1099 on: 09 April 2020, 20:33:20 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6865/prefect-prf-3r

The Prefect 3R seems to have too early introductory date, since the RHS is developed in 3122.
Indeed, RS3145NTNU notes that it is a "very recent overhaul", and further notes the Lament (introduced in 3126) as an inspiration.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1100 on: 11 April 2020, 11:16:02 »
This is just a heads up, and if you need more info, I can provide it when I'm a bit more awake, but as far as I'm aware, I don't think any of the designs from Handbook House Kurita have made it into the MUL.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1101 on: 12 April 2020, 00:02:46 »
Hello there, is there an API to query units programmatically rather than through the web interface? I noticed that there is a force builder for Alpha Strike, but not for classic battle tech and I would like to build one that is web based, rather than built in Java like SSW and MM. Sorry if this has already been answered, there are 37 pages of replies to this thread.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1102 on: 16 April 2020, 22:07:03 »
The Tatsu MIK-OF is showing an Intro date of 3100. It mounts Large Re-engineered lasers which both the Tech tables in RS NTNU pg 10, and IO pg 44) show a development date of Approx 3120. Re-Engineered lasers wouldn't hit Standard tech until 3130. 

A couple of options - Have the intro date at 3120 and the unit would become Advanced (per NTNU table) or the date at 3130 and leave it at Standard. 

Given the age of the original Tatsu platform I think the advanced option seems to make the most sense. 

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1103 on: 17 April 2020, 10:28:49 »
forgive me if these are Working As Intended™,  but i've noticed some minor discrepancies

BattleMaster BLR-1G-DC
Debut date: 2633
Filters Under: Early Succession Wars (2781-2900)
Should Filter Under: Star League (2571-2780)
Solution: Change the production era to Star League or the intro date to 2781 or later

Thunderbolt TDR-5D
Debut date: 2821
Filters Under: Late Succession Wars - LosTech (2901-3019)
Should Filter Under: Early Succession Wars (2781-2900)
Solution: Change the production era to Early Succession Wars or the intro date to 2901 or later

Wolverine WVR-6D
Debut date: 2834
Filters Under: Late Succession Wars - LosTech (2901-3019)
Should Filter Under: Early Succession Wars (2781-2900)
Solution: Change the production era to Early Succession Wars or the intro date to 2901 or later

Talon TLN-5Z
Debut date: 3062
Filters Under: Clan Invasion (3049-3061)
Should Filter Under: Civil War (3062-3067)
Solution: Change the production era to Civil War or intro date to before 3062

Argus AGS-4D
Debut date: 3062
Filters Under: Clan Invasion (3049-3061)
Should Filter Under: Civil War (3062-3067)
Solution: Change the production era to Civil War or intro date to before 3062

Blade BLD-XR
Debut date: 3125
Filters Under: Early Republic (3086-3100)
Should Filter Under: Late Republic (3101-3130)
Solution: Change the production era to Late Republic or intro date to before 3101

War Dog WR-DG-01
Debut Date: None
Filters Under: Early Republic (3086-3100)
Should Filter Under: Clan Invasion (3049-3061)?
Solution: I imagine this was the prototype War Dog so its intro date should be before the intro date for the -02FC in 3052

Thor II B
Debut Date: 3093
Filters Under: Late Republic (3101-3130)
Should Filter Under: Early Republic (3086-3100)
Solution: Change the production era to Early Republic or the intro date to after 3100

Blackjack BJ-2r
Debut Date: 3131
Filters Under: Late Republic (3101-3130)
Should Filter Under: Dark Ages (3131-3999)
Solution: Change the production era to Dark Ages  or the intro date to before 3131

Nobori-nin (Huntsman) F
Debut Date: 3132
Filters Under: Late Republic (3101-3130)
Should Filter Under: Dark Ages (3131-3999)
Solution: Change the production era to Dark Ages  or the intro date to before 3131

Titan TI-1Ar
Debut Date: 3132
Filters Under: Late Republic (3101-3130)
Should Filter Under: Dark Ages (3131-3999)
Solution: Change the production era to Dark Ages  or the intro date to before 3131

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1104 on: 18 April 2020, 21:01:05 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7296/enforcer-iii-enf-7d
The Enforcer III 7D is specifically noted as being widely used by the Republic of the Sphere in XTRO Republic I (pg 7), but the Master Unit List availability lists only the Federated Suns.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1105 on: 25 April 2020, 08:13:53 »
Arbalest 2

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/60/arbalest-2

has MASC (see TRO 3085 and Errata thread for RS 3085).
Move should therefore be 12"
(5/8 movement plus MASC is 6.25, rounded to 6, converted to 12")
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1106 on: 29 April 2020, 13:47:31 »
The Fire Scorpion currently has an introductory date of 2834.
As per Interstellar Ops page 40, Clan A-Pods have a prototype date of 2845 and a production date of 2850.

Either the Fire Scorpion should have a later introductory date, or the cA-Pods need to have their production date pushed earlier.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1107 on: 29 April 2020, 13:51:58 »
Marauder II MAD-6S and Inquisitor II ITW-200 are both lacking availability data.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1108 on: 30 April 2020, 23:07:57 »
This could be a bit of a tedious request here, but currently all Heavy Battle Armor is listed as weighing 2 tons.

Heavy BA should weight 1.5 tons, and listing them as such would allow players to differentiate between the two on the MUL.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1109 on: 30 April 2020, 23:53:50 »
This could be a bit of a tedious request here, but currently all Heavy Battle Armor is listed as weighing 2 tons.

Heavy BA should weight 1.5 tons, and listing them as such would allow players to differentiate between the two on the MUL.

Unfortunately that's a technical issue rather than a data issue.  It is 1.5 tons in the database, but the website is set to only show 0 decimal places and rounds up.  I don't know when that will be able to be fixed.
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