Design a Troop transport that WORKS.

[Vition2]

Are you using H-FFA for your armor?  My calcs are showing 32 points in each arc with H-FFA.

Like battlemechs, the armor type doesn't change the maximum armor points allowed on a certain tonnage.  Both calculations were off, a 15 ton vehicle can only carry 92 points of armor (15 x 3.5 + 40 = 92.5).  One can kind of double that by using hardened armor, but technically that's not entirely correct (since each point of armor can take 2 points of damage, rather than counting as 2 points of armor).

[gomiville]

Like battlemechs, the armor type doesn't change the maximum armor points allowed on a certain tonnage.  Both calculations were off, a 15 ton vehicle can only carry 92 points of armor (15 x 3.5 + 40 = 92.5).

Exactly.

Whoops, thanks for catching my math.  Should have used a calculator.

[Jackmc]

Like battlemechs, the armor type doesn't change the maximum armor points allowed on a certain tonnage.

Ah, found the issue.  This was a fundament rules change made in Tech Manual (back in the day there weren't limits) and my design software predates that as does my old school mindset.  Thanks for the reminder.

-Jackmc

[vidar]

REMLAB 2.9.13 BETA
remlab.sourceforge.net
Created on Jan 9, 2016
AEROTECH
Spheroid Small Craft Technical Readout

Type:   Untitled
Technology Base:   Inner Sphere / 3075
Ruleset:   Standard (5th edition)
Tonnage:   150
Cost:   3,697,750 C-bills
Battle Value:   2,474
Equipment      Mass
Structural Integrity:   10   3.0
Engine:   855   0.0
Type:   Fusion   
Safe Thrust:   6   
Maximum Thrust:   9   
Fuel:   0   0.0
Cockpit:      1.5
Power Amplifier:      0.0
VSTOL:      0.0
Heat Sinks:   17 [34]   7.0
Armor Factor:   576   36.0
Armor
Value
Nose   144
L/R Wing   144/144
Aft   144
Weapons and Ammo   Location   Tons
Large Laser   Aft   5.0
Large Laser   Nose   5.0
Large Laser   Left   5.0
Large Laser   Right   5.0
Anti-Personnel Pod   Aft   0.5
Anti-Personnel Pod   Aft   0.5
Anti-Personnel Pod   Aft   0.5
Anti-Personnel Pod   Aft   0.5
Anti-BattleArmor Pod   Aft   1.0
Anti-BattleArmor Pod   Aft   1.0
Crew:   3
Passengers:   0
Cargo:   tons
Fuel Use:   1.84 tons/day
Food & Water:   1.0 tons (35 day supply)
 
BattleForce 2
MP   Damage PB/M/L   Overheat   Class
6N   3/3/-   -   SC
Armor/Structure   Point Value   Specials
14/-   25   -
Untitled
Mass: 150 tons
Chassis: Standard
Movement Type: Spheroid Small Craft
Power Plant: 855 Fusion
Safe Thrust Speed: 1080 kph
Maximum Thrust Speed: 1620 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
Large Laser
Large Laser
Large Laser
Large Laser
Anti-Personnel Pod
Anti-Personnel Pod
Anti-Personnel Pod
Anti-Personnel Pod
Anti-BattleArmor Pod
Anti-BattleArmor Pod
Manufacturer: Inner Sphere
Communications System: Standard
Targeting & Tracking System: Standard

Moblity, interplanetary and can drop troops anywhere above ground and water.   Can clear an LZ of squishie. 

[The_Caveman]

Moblity, interplanetary and can drop troops anywhere above ground and water.   Can clear an LZ of squishie.

I can't replicate your design without it being overweight, and the firing arcs for the side weapons are invalid. Also you didn't list any fuel or cargo space. And, A-Pods and B-Pods are illegal for small craft.

Reducing the thrust to 4/6 and putting the crew in steerage-level quarters I can get a platoon and 10 tons' fuel in there. 6/9 is frankly overkill for a transport small craft anyway.

[vidar]

Hmm was playing with rem lab on a whim  O:-). So I can do it again but it's more of an example of out side the box thinking.  And the pods are a effective use of an underused technology.

[maxcarrion]

Closer to an IFV than an APC the Molatov is really a fully fledged light tank with integrated infantry unit and excellent anti infantry and anti vehicle firepower.  Packing the excellent multi purpose plasma rifle making the Molatov highly effective against many infantry, armoured infantry and vehicle targets.  The Molatov is similar in cost and capabilities to the popular myrmidon II and can comfortably shrug off multiple gauss rifle rounds while fitting easily into a light vehicle bay.

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Molatov

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 1,761,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 884

Power Plant:  200 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor:  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Plasma Rifle
    1  Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                4.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                      13.00
    Cruise MP:  5
    Flank MP:   8
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.00
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV - 158                  8.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     38       
                                          Left/Right   30/30       
                                              Turret     30       
                                                Rear     30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Plasma Rifle                                 T         10        1         6.00
Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)              BD        0         1         4.00
@Plasma Rifle (20)                           BD        -         0         2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 9
5t         1       1       0       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/0)



[maxcarrion]

While the Molatov is an excellent premium machine Carrion Combat Industries also offers the excellent and cost effective Voltiguer, a pair of MML 5's offer flexible capabilities whether you load them with infantry killing inferno's, semi guided missiles following TAG guidance provided by your passengers or whipping up a quick defensive minefield the Voltiguer can fill any roll you have ammo for.  All this for barely more than half the price of a Molatov with all the mobility and infantry carrying capability of it's bigger brother.

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Voltiguer

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 893,100 C-Bills
Battle Value: 505

Power Plant:  150 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor:  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  MML-5s
    1  Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                3.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             150                       7.00
    Cruise MP:  5
    Flank MP:   8
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.00
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV - 109                  5.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     30       
                                          Left/Right   20/20       
                                              Turret     20       
                                                Rear     19       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 MML-5s                                     T         6         2         6.00
Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)              BD        0         1         4.00
@MML-5 (LRM Semi-G) (24)                     BD        -         0         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM Inferno) (20)                    BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 5
5t         2       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/1/1), IF 1



[Sharpnel]

Two variants of a new APC


SRM Variant

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Type 35-1 APC

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 993,375 C-Bills
Battle Value: 602

Power Plant:  175 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  SRM-4
    2  Machine Guns
    1  Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                3.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                175                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  5
    Flank MP:   8
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 160                 10.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     36       
                                          Left/Right   32/32       
                                              Turret     30       
                                                Rear     30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Machine Guns                               T         0         2         1.00
SRM-4                                        T         3         1         2.00
Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)              BD        0         1         4.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50
@SRM-4 (25)                                  BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 6
5t         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: TUR(1/1/0)

LRM variant

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Type 35-2 APC

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 952,875 C-Bills
Battle Value: 611

Power Plant:  175 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  LRM-5
    2  Machine Guns
    1  Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                3.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                175                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  5
    Flank MP:   8
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 160                 10.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     36       
                                          Left/Right   32/32       
                                              Turret     30       
                                                Rear     30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Machine Guns                               T         0         2         1.00
LRM-5                                        T         2         1         2.00
Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)              BD        0         1         4.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50
@LRM-5 (24)                                  BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 6
5t         1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: TUR(1/1/1)



[Fireangel]

Well, originally from my WiGE MBT article: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=12315.0

The Machete sounds like a good starting point. It has a 7/11 WiGE movement profile and armor that can be easily tweaked to meet the 30-point-per-facing number. It's only problem is its 1-ton infantry compartment... which is no problem if the PPC is downgraded to a Light PPC (or ERML). We can even add in a 'mech-grade flamer or an MG w/100 shots for anti-PBI work.

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                  DESIGN MADE BY HAND

Type/Model:    Machete II Air-Deployable APC
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3067
Config:        WiGE Vehicle
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          50 tons
Power Plant:   210 Nissan-Fatima Fusion
Cruise Speed:  75,6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118,8 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  1 Light PPC
  1 Flamer
  1 LRM-5
  1 SRM-2
Manufacturer:  Fatima Motors, Inc.
  Location:    Ad Duwayd, Draconis Combine
Communications System:  Salaun Comquad VIII
Targeting & Tracking System:  Norris CHK

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Machete II Air-Deployable APC
Mass:          50 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  25 pts Standard               0      5,00
Engine:        210 Fusion                    0      9,00
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      4,50
    Cruise MP:   7
     Flank MP:   11
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0      0,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      7,50
Crew: 4 Members                              0      0,00
Turret Equipment:                            0      1,00
Armor Factor:  160 pts Standard              0     10,00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     5         35
   Left / Right Sides:        5      30/30
   Rear:                      5         30
   Turret:                    5         35

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 LPPC                   Turret   5          1      3,00
1 LRM-5                  Turret   0   24     2      3,00
1 SRM 2                  Turret   0   50     2      2,00
1 Flamer                 Turret   3          1      1,00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      4,00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                          10          6     50,00

The Machete II can carry a full foot or jump platoon of infantry directly into the battlefield after deploying in the high atmosphere; it can survive two hits from a Gauss rifle or cERPPC on any facing, it can ignore any ground or water obstacles, and can provide fire support to its dismounts, clearing its own LZ and supporting them with indirect LRM fire, or FASCAM, or any kind of LRM/SRM ammo needed. It can deal with enemy infantry, provide its own smoke screens, and deal with light enemy vehicles.

It is also relatively economical; the SFE and LPPC are the two single most advanced items. Someone will have to calculate cost, though; I do these things by hand.

[maxcarrion]

Love the WIGE chassis for high speed raids from high altitude.  Although it's pretty high risk for the poor infantry, they go down with a bit of a boom a little too often.  For a ground force I'd be more inclined to take hard to kill Tracked or even faster VTOL

[Wildfire]

Okay thought I'd take a punt at this design request.

I started with the basic maxim and tweaked it. Now as I plan to use it with my current AtB merc unit it has a fusion engine to simplify logistics so it's expensive but can take two AC20 hits anywhere by the rear, due to it's 12 tons of Ferro-Fibrous armour.

I knocked it up with MegaMekLab.

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Maxim Heavy Hover Transport Ghosts Infantry
IS unofficial
50 tons 
BV: 940
Cost: 2,388,000 C-bills

Movement: 8/12 (Hover)
Engine: 165

Internal: 25
Armor: 206 (Ferro-Fibrous)
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Front                       5       51
Right                       5       41
Left                        5       41
Rear                        5       32
Turret                      5       41

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
----------------------------------------
LRM 5                           TU     2
LRM 5                           TU     2
SRM 2                           TU     2
SRM 6                           TU     4

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
SRM 6 Ammo                      BD    15
SRM 2 Ammo                      BD    50
LRM 5 Ammo                      BD    24



Carrying Capacity:
Troops - 4.0 tons
 

[Sabelkatten]

You really should combine the SRMs into 2xSRM4 or 4xSRM2 - no point in carrying ammo for two different kinds of launchers when you can carry two tons for identical launchers!

[Wildfire]

Was thinking load the SRM2 with inferno's for dealing with enemy PBI while the SRM6 is for other threats.

[Sabelkatten]

But if you have one kind of launcher you can use all of them for either kind of threat! :)

[Wildfire]

Good points, as I said it's a refit I'm doing in an AtB game so I'll see how the current version works out and then try yours :)