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Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« on: 22 January 2016, 02:55:20 »
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SWD-X Swordsman – A proto-Shadow Hawk.

Background

The Swordsman Battlemech was one of House Davion’s first Battlemech’s and was planned to see service alongside their version of the Mackie and the somewhat lighter Battleaxe as the premier Mech’s of the burgeoning Davion Battlemech programme. 

The design called for a light but well-armed unit that could engage at long and short ranges whilst being able to keep pace with its larger brethren.  The contract for the design was won by Jerricho Industries and it was hoped the new machine would form the backbone of Davion Mech Units, but this contract was won not because of the firm’s expertise but through political favours owed to the Lord of the Terran March Prince Mikhal Rostov.

At a time when Battlemech’s were still very new the Swordsman was developed in a rather short time a mere 5 years, but this is where the wheels started coming off the cart.  Because of its rushed design the Swordsman was plagued with technical difficulties and its primitive components were heavy and bulky to say the least.

Whilst the designers would have liked more time, Prince Rostov pressed them to get the Mech out and begin construction which duly went ahead with it being a common Mech in the Terran March and was rarely seen elsewhere in Davion space.  It’s no surprise that the Davion Civil War and the fact that the Swordsman was often in service to those on the losing side in the Terran March gave the machine a reputation it could never shake after.

Despite some upgrades to its technology the production lines for the Swordsman were dismantled and the bulk of the surviving Swordsman were given over as a gift to the SLDF in 2571 where it would see service in The Reunification War.

Those that remained after that conflict were scattered across Star League space and served with militia and garrison units until the Amaris Civil War.  Utterly obsolete by modern standards the Swordsman has not been produced and some survivors may still be found in museums.

Design

At 40 tonnes the Swordsman is not a big Mech but unlike most later 40 tonne machines who tended to just be big lights, concentrating on speed, the Swordsman is a rock solid brawler that actually outguns a Shadow Hawk 2H.  Not bad for a machine of its period, far from it in fact.

But to get its punch the Swordsman is SLOW by medium Mech standards, but at the time its rather plodding 54kph was all it needed to keep pace with Mackies and Battleaxes.  This rather plodding speed was provided by a 145 rated primitive engine whilst the cockpit and armour were also of heavier primitive designs.  Still with 10 tonnes of armour the Swordsman wasn’t that weakly protected and its armour was laid out as follows.

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Still the Davion’s did produce a sleek and handsome looking Mech, all be it one who’s autocannon was blessed with the accurate weapons quirk (perhaps due to its stabilized mounting on the shoulder?) but also affected by the negative quirk of ammunition feed problems for the same gun. 

Variants

SWD-1 – The introduction model and the one that was mass produced and saw the most service the SWD-1 is a nasty little combatant, a Mech that’s got quite the bite for something it’s size.  For long range an AC-5 and LRM-5 mounted on the left and right torso in shoulder mountings form its main punch, each weapon drawing from a 1 tonne ammo bin to give it enough battlefield endurance.  For shorter range engagements a pair of Medium lasers, one in each arm provide ample firepower.  Its simple, its effective and its quite potent for a machine this size.  Of course this comes at the achingly slow speed of 54kph and a lack of jump jets that the Davion’s seem to have fallen in love with at the time. Still it’s not a bad machine despite its overweight components through the simple expedience of firepower.  Whilst the original SWD-1 was riddled with design flaws giving it the poor workmanship negative perk which makes it vulnerable to crits it is not a bad machine, it shows a very good ‘first touch’ for House Davion and avoids the flaws that blighted the Axeman namely its horrific heat problems.

SWD-2 – The only upgrade of the Swordsman and one that was produced in far less numbers the SWD-2 benefitted from advances in technology allowing the engine, cockpit and armour to be made of more modern, lightweight and more efficient materials (intro-tech level).  The weight saved was put into yet more firepower with an SRM-4 being added as well as a head mounted small laser.  The more modern engine meant the speed went up slightly to 64kph whilst half a tonne of armour was added to the arms and legs.
Again this is a scrappy little machine, its honestly not bad and if it wasn’t for the Mech being associated with the Civil War I would not doubt it would still be in service today.  I would assume it was these variants that were retained by the SLDF in garrison roles, the older D1 being phased out in favour of the surviving D2’s.

Sadly though the SWD-2 like the other Swordsmen were phased out and retired, replaced by more modern and faster machines that could do their job. Machines like the Wolverine and Shadow Hawk made the Swordsman obsolete as despite its firepower, it was far too slow to disengage if caught out of position or outmatched.

Thoughts

For a Primitive Mech the Swordsman is impressive, its well-armed, well protected and it looks AMAZING, it’s a handsome, handsome machine, sure you pay for that with its god awful speed which makes it an easy target to hit but it’s not bad.

The SWD-2 fixes the biggest problem the god awful speed slightly but its still very slow for a machine its size and its basically heavy speed at 64kph but the firepower becomes even more respectable and lets it outgun a fair few more modern and even larger Machines.  At a typical engagement range a SWD-2 outguns a Wolverine or Shadow Hawk but the lack of speed and jump jets means that it can never dictate the engagement and must always react to hostile movements.  Even worse if faced with LRMs it can’t sprint in close to try get into minimum range as most Mech’s can walk backwards nearly as fast as the Swordsman can run forwards. 

The SWD-2 still fits in well though, combined lances of Swordsmen and Battleaxes must have been quite common and as both machines were upgraded they no doubt served alongside one another thanks to their similar speed and weapons ranges whilst the big slow Hammerhands would have carried out the role of being a pocket assault Mech.

I think its biggest problem is that it suffers from Kit Foxitus.  It’s a small, rather squishy machine with a rather heavy punch and because of this it tends to attract a lot of firepower it could not otherwise avoid or survive.  As for using one, its slow speed means you’re not going to catch anything and will have to keep pace with the big boys or form a skirmish line in front of them.  The Swordsman’s surprising long range punch allows it to pepper away before closing in where its pair of Medium lasers provide a meaty punch by the standards of the day.  Still this well armed and handsome Mech would do well in a line up and would be a GREAT succession Wars era machine if it had survived.  Still despite it being a dead design, that’s no reason to NOT use it. 




Damn handsome machine! (seriously I love the artwork in the Primative's books, the old Banshee blows the 80's sunglasses 3025 art out the water!)


As always comments, thoughts and criticism are most welcome!

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Re: Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« Reply #1 on: 22 January 2016, 03:07:01 »
Great article. What sort of 'Mechs was it facing off against on the Capellan and Combine borders, during its heyday? I'm not as familiar with primitive-era units as with more modern stuff.


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« Reply #2 on: 22 January 2016, 03:36:17 »
Great article. What sort of 'Mechs was it facing off against on the Capellan and Combine borders, during its heyday? I'm not as familiar with primitive-era units as with more modern stuff.

Mackie's (everyone had the damn thing) as well as Firebee's and Gladiators whilst Marik had the Icarus are the ones that spring to mind.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Gladiator_(BattleMech)
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http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Icarus_II

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Re: Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« Reply #3 on: 22 January 2016, 03:50:00 »
Looks good but doesn't really do much ;D

Swordsman only really suffers being one of the first, thus becoming the example of allot of mistakes in battlemech designs (allot of which are still being made ;) )

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« Reply #4 on: 22 January 2016, 03:51:51 »
Thing is..what mistakes?   Sure its got its construction flaws but its not a bad machine, its just slow.  If I was a Shadow Hawk or Vindicator pilot i'd be worried if I blundered into one of these things.  Its a scrappy lil thing that punches above its weight really.
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Re: Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« Reply #5 on: 22 January 2016, 08:20:01 »
The first time I saw the Swordsman I kind of felt like it was "the prototypical Trooper 'mech". In the sense that it was trying to create the idea of the Trooper niche before it had really emerged.

Really the only thing that feels like it is letting it down is that the technology isn't quite there to achieve what the in-universe designers were grasping towards. It is one of those designs that feels like you could bring it back (if you weren't put off by its historical bad rep) at a later date with mostly late Succession Wars tech and you'd have a fairly decent low-cost milita mech. (I've got a couple of rough drafts of doing that on a notepad somewhere).

I also really like the aesthetic of it - the art for it is fantastic and makes it feel like the sort of "no-nonsense" utilitarian designs I really like.

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« Reply #6 on: 22 January 2016, 10:02:07 »
Everything about the Swordman screams "proto-Shadow Hawk" to me. Indeed, the Shadow Hawk came a few years later, and is arguably better despite its limited firepower (an AC/5 and a medium laser). Visually, both are similar, or at least the Swordsman looks more like the later non-primitive Shadow Hawks.

Perhaps the design evolved into a trooper-BattleMech but as it is, the Swordsman is more of an escort 'Mech, IMO. It is slow but has significant firepower for its era and size. It is cheap compared to the Mackie and BattleAxe, so they're easier and faster to produce most likely. Alone, a Swordsman is weak and slow but in lances with Mackies and other bigger designs, it should logically do well (or direct fire away from more expensive machines, either way it works).

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« Reply #7 on: 22 January 2016, 11:30:07 »
Question: In the third paragraph under Thoughts you say:

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The SWD-2 still fits in well though, combined lances of Swordsmen and Axemen must have been quite common and as both machines were upgraded they no doubt served alongside one another thanks to their similar speed and weapons ranges whilst the big slow Hammerhands would have carried out the role of being a pocket assault Mech.

Should that be BattleAxe? The BattleAxe was in service, but the Axman wouldn't be around for a while.
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« Reply #8 on: 22 January 2016, 11:36:04 »
Question: In the third paragraph under Thoughts you say:

Should that be BattleAxe? The BattleAxe was in service, but the Axman wouldn't be around for a while.

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« Reply #9 on: 22 January 2016, 16:34:56 »
Everything about the Swordman screams "proto-Shadow Hawk" to me. Indeed, the Shadow Hawk came a few years later, and is arguably better despite its limited firepower (an AC/5 and a medium laser). Visually, both are similar, or at least the Swordsman looks more like the later non-primitive Shadow Hawks.

Perhaps the design evolved into a trooper-BattleMech but as it is, the Swordsman is more of an escort 'Mech, IMO. It is slow but has significant firepower for its era and size. It is cheap compared to the Mackie and BattleAxe, so they're easier and faster to produce most likely. Alone, a Swordsman is weak and slow but in lances with Mackies and other bigger designs, it should logically do well (or direct fire away from more expensive machines, either way it works).

Honestly, I've always seen it as the inspiration for the Shadow Hawk-D.

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« Reply #10 on: 22 January 2016, 17:00:47 »
Honestly, I've always seen it as the inspiration for the Shadow Hawk-D.
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This makes sense. The House Davion gets rid of their Swordmans but doesn't like the normal Shadow Hawk, so they remake the Swordsman with Shadow Hawk...
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« Reply #11 on: 22 January 2016, 17:29:34 »
Too bad it did not come back in the Jihad.  A pocket heavy would be really work able during the time frame especially as it might be fighting other Primitives (if it was not the D2), IndiMechs or armor.  Have to look up HMP to see what would happen to it as Jihad machine . . .

You could say the design is easily the foundation of some of the FedSuns staples . . . D1/Centurion- position of the AC swapped with ML and the LRM rack got a bit larger, Davion Shadow Hawk as mentioned . . .
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« Reply #12 on: 22 January 2016, 17:43:46 »
This is a beautiful machine, and I would have gladly used it in 3025 --- it is similar to some I designed myself.
Also one that I would absolutely LOVE to see brought back into the game, maybe with some of the newest tech.

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« Reply #13 on: 22 January 2016, 17:45:39 »
Honestly, I've always seen it as the inspiration for the Shadow Hawk-D.

That's a really good way of looking at the SHD-2D ..... which I also happen to like....LOL

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« Reply #14 on: 22 January 2016, 17:47:53 »
Yeah, I really like that art . . . is there a chance it is a mini yet?   Hmm, I could SO see Aaron Sandoval putting this into production on Tikinov for his Swordsworn.
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« Reply #15 on: 22 January 2016, 19:56:49 »
More Shadow Hawk than Shadow Hawk ProtoMech.

Given original has been given a face, the Swordmans no longer look like 2nd generation Shadow Hawks.  The design more my liking, despite being primitive and arguably out of the game before Succession Wars ended.    It's very nice, armored better than SHD-2D, which it's firepower resembles.  Maybe old SWD-2 was inspiration trying recapture older "tainted" Mech's interesting mix of firepower.

I like the thing, it's too bad it didn't get a manufacturer during the Jihad's RetroTech wave of old-new designs.

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« Reply #16 on: 23 January 2016, 11:59:56 »
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This makes sense. The House Davion gets rid of their Swordmans but doesn't like the normal Shadow Hawk, so they remake the Swordsman with Shadow Hawk...
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That's what I like the most from the Swordsman D-2. It's a great in-universe explanation for the much maligned Shadow Hawk -2D, a sort of "missing link" that's now been recovered. And I love 'Mechs and variants like that.

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« Reply #17 on: 23 January 2016, 17:20:38 »
I would love to see this design, upgraded to modern tech, put in production as a return design, much like the old designs that got brought back during the Jihad.
It would make sense, especially with Davion on the ropes, as they could attempt to turn this one out, with minimal engineering needed to make a working modern unit.

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« Reply #18 on: 23 January 2016, 17:44:34 »
I actually played with it . . .

I think you can make it a viable trooper with Davion being on the defense they do not need a cavalry design.  Like I said, i would have liked to see it helping defend Tikinov from the Cappies.  Some tech makes it easier . . .

For instance- LFE, CASE II and MMLs give even a lighter medium some survivability and versatility.  I basically kept it the same as the art except the AC/5 would be a RAC/2 though the arm lasers become a XP & ER and the missile rack is a MML5.
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« Reply #19 on: 23 January 2016, 18:44:20 »
The Swordsman not only brings outsized firepower to a 40 ton frame, but it also brings two great weapons for specialty ammo. And we know how the Davions love their special AC ammo.  Between the guns, the armor, and the low price, the Swordsman is exactly the kind of no frills medium I love!
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« Reply #20 on: 23 January 2016, 18:50:01 »
If you wanted to go that route I still think you would want a MML rather than the LRM/SRM racks on the D-2.  But yeah, I think it could be a Watchman or Sentry for 3140s.
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« Reply #21 on: 23 January 2016, 19:01:27 »
An MML would be nice, but the LRM 5 can still be loaded with fun stuff if you know the mission parameters ahead of time. (i.e. stock up on mines if you need to hold a choke point) Not the most glamorous way to keep an outdated 'mech relevant, but it doesn't take a refit!

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« Reply #22 on: 23 January 2016, 19:52:18 »
SHD-2D wouldn't have been so bad if to offset the added tonnage for weapons, they'd removed the jump jets... or downgraded the engine... or the heat sinks. Plenty of things they could have done instead of reducing the armor so much.

The Swordsman as it is... is pretty good. 10.5 Tons of armor covering that much firepower and decent mobility is no joke.

Refitting it with modern tech... DHS would allow you to save an extra 2 tons, ES a further 2. MML, CASE, engine upgrade, lots of options you can play with given that free tonnage.

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« Reply #23 on: 23 January 2016, 23:26:18 »
SHD-2D wouldn't have been so bad if to offset the added tonnage for weapons, they'd removed the jump jets... or downgraded the engine... or the heat sinks. Plenty of things they could have done instead of reducing the armor so much.

The Swordsman as it is... is pretty good. 10.5 Tons of armor covering that much firepower and decent mobility is no joke.

Refitting it with modern tech... DHS would allow you to save an extra 2 tons, ES a further 2. MML, CASE, engine upgrade, lots of options you can play with given that free tonnage.

That would be rather extensive, though the Dracs yanked the jets on the Wolverine, so it shouldn't be too arduous, and that ton and a half of extra armor would be much appreciated, even if it would remain horribly thin-skinned and, as much as downgrading the engine would help, it doesn't strike me as the best of ideas. As is, the Shad's fast enough to almost keep up with Light 'Mechs and fast enough to control range against Heavies and most common Mediums. Slowing it down would only make it an easy mark for Heavies like the Cataphract or Warhammer.

As for an upgrade, it would probably be a better idea to limit it, if only to keep costs down. A MML 5 to replace the missile racks would allow for a ton of each LRM and SRM ammo, add an additional ton of autocannon ammo from the mass saved from the single missile rack, and use seven tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor (either standard for 125 points or heavy for the maximum) to allow enough spare weight for standard CASE in each side torso. You wouldn't really need double heat sinks due to the low heat output from the above armament and it would remain dirt cheap and hella easy to churn out in huge numbers and maintain due to the low amount of advanced tech.

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« Reply #24 on: 23 January 2016, 23:46:36 »
Depends on when . . . in the Jihad, yeah keep standard MLs and single heat sinks to keep costs down and supplies of parts.

For the Dark Ages?  Well ERMLs and DHS should be pretty common at that point with the relative difference for LFE and as we see CASE II a lot it would still be pretty simple at that timeframe.
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« Reply #25 on: 24 January 2016, 00:36:40 »
Depends on when . . . in the Jihad, yeah keep standard MLs and single heat sinks to keep costs down and supplies of parts.

For the Dark Ages?  Well ERMLs and DHS should be pretty common at that point with the relative difference for LFE and as we see CASE II a lot it would still be pretty simple at that timeframe.

Meh, I suppose. Though for a 700 year old design, that all seems like too much for my tastes.

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« Reply #26 on: 24 January 2016, 01:41:50 »
Thing is..what mistakes?   Sure its got its construction flaws but its not a bad machine, its just slow.  If I was a Shadow Hawk or Vindicator pilot i'd be worried if I blundered into one of these things.  Its a scrappy lil thing that punches above its weight really.
Was talking about the construction flaws and speed but many future designs choose to sacrifice speed for firepower (Urbie, Blackjack) and the Swordsman was made during the earliest days of the Battlemech so can't say it was any more flawed than the other primitive designs.   
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Re: Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« Reply #27 on: 24 January 2016, 06:10:29 »
In fact, the two isn't as slow and doesn't have as many construction flaws, so I'd say for it's time frame it was damn solid.
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Re: Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« Reply #28 on: 24 January 2016, 07:21:29 »
As a minor point, it was the Leighton family who influenced the decision on manufacturing the Swordsman, not the Rostovs - there were only two Prince Rostovs, Nikolai and Dmitri, and Nikolai didn't come to power until 2515 when the last of the Leightons, Charles Leighton, and his family were killed in a Terran Hegemony raid or Robinson.

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Re: Mech Of the Week - SWD-X Swordsman (Ah-aaah-ahhh!)
« Reply #29 on: 24 January 2016, 08:30:43 »
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Slowing it down would only make it an easy mark for Heavies like the Cataphract or Warhammer.
Even downgrading it to 4/6 would save it 5.5T. Putting a good chunk of it to armor and considering the amount of short range firepower already added, a Warhammer's welcome to try.