Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV

[Colt Ward]

For the Cent 9-Ar . . . I figured they had either gotten or put together kits to refit all the hybrid CN9-Hs they were using.  And it would make sense for that factory producing the hybrids to be upgraded to full CN9-Ar . . . but logic and BTU are not always horses in the same yoke headed the same direction.

[Weirdo]

The whole point of the CN9-Ar is that it's a relatively easy refit from the commonplace CN9-A. In StratOps terms, how easy is it to turn a CN9-H into a CN-9Ar?

I rather doubt any -Hs are getting turned into -Ars. I think instead any -As the Legions have are getting turned into -Ars, and -Hs are left alone, either related to militia units, or sold off.

[Col.Hengist]

Yes, but those 8 are of much better quality😉. Hand tooled leather dash board, chrome accents to all the gauges, a sultry computer voice, Holden weapon fittings... you know, all the finer things.

 Wait... was that my inner Steiner coming out again? 😂

[Colt Ward]

At work so bear with me . . .

The differences would be in . . . engine, cockpit and structure?  Maybe smaller LRM rack?

Edit- Looked it up quick . . .

Primitive armor & Engine and RL10s vs DHS, HPPC/LPPC, LRMs and a rear MPL . . .

For some reason I thought it kept the LB-10X.  Like I said, I think the CN10-B should have been the weapons upgrade (minus ArtIV) for the 3050 Centurion.  But this is, by the new rules, a simpler refit than I was originally thinking since it has Std IS with the armor being what gets replaced.  Its a big club they carry but not as useful as the LB-10X on the 9-H.

[Weirdo]

Looking at the two...you have to remove and replace EVERYTHING except the skeleton, gyro, and one medium laser.

Even including shipping, it's probably cheaper to keep your -H as it is, buy a -A from some militia or small time merc, upgrade that, and find yourself owning two perfectly good Centurions.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Looking at the two...you have to remove and replace EVERYTHING except the skeleton, gyro, and one medium laser.

Even including shipping, it's probably cheaper to keep your -H as it is, buy a -A from some militia or small time merc, upgrade that, and find yourself owning two perfectly good Centurions.

I thought primitive structure was different from standard, too.

[Colt Ward]

I think so, but the CN9-H is a hybrid . . . it has some Prim (engine & armor), Intro (ML, IS, cockpit, SHS, gyro) and Advanced (LB-10X, RLs-lol) tech.  What I read said the structure was standard so it would not have to be replaced and if you look at the art provided it mostly looks the same as the CN9-A's intro series designs.

Between the two . . . its a engine (with DHS) swap that takes up less space, re-armor with standard grade, and a big weapon change over.  The whole head assembly (cockpit, sensors, life support) seems to be standard.  From the rules, its not a complicated factory upgrade (armor vs IS change) which is why I said they could ship out kits . . .

 . . . but I sort of agree with Herr Weirdo- the HPPC blows the big holes in things on point while the 9-H's LBX pokes the insides to get crits and keep vehicles off the Cent carrying that big club.  They would work well together in the field.

[Weirdo]

Don't forget, the cockpit is also primitive.

[Colt Ward]

Is it?  What I was finding was not saying which made me think I was remembering it wrongly.

[Weirdo]

It was listed as such when I looked in XTRO retro.

[Martius]

The (r) designs are always refits.

If you guys remember we players could submit designs to the writers at that time, and the changes to each design had to be minimal.

So the CN9-Ar is a just a refit of the old Centurion, people trying to make it useful for the modern battlefield. I doubt there are factories building them when they simply could turn out a new design.

Also guys, remember, as long as it is not written down in a product all you come up with is just headcanon/homebrew.

[Colt Ward]

Yes the CN9-Ar is a refit of those remaining 3025 Centurions, simpler than the D kits in the early 50s if any of those are still around in the early 70s.  However the Marians are building a hybrid Centurion which as stated in previous posts uses components from 3 tech 'bases' then improving that production line to the CN9-Ar is a good move for them.  They maybe the only place not building Ds or better, which means making their line a 9-Ar is a 'new' design if they are not just making/buying kits for the old 3025 Centurions they have on hand.

[Adacas]

From what I read in the XTRO Retrotech, Armor, Cockpit and Reactor they are Primitive.
Medium laser, the LBX-10, RL, Gyro and radiators are more modern.
I estimate that in the new model may have put double radiators, fusion reactor "modern" and Light Ferro Fibra

[Weirdo]

Yes the CN9-Ar is a refit of those remaining 3025 Centurions, simpler than the D kits in the early 50s if any of those are still around in the early 70s.  However the Marians are building a hybrid Centurion which as stated in previous posts uses components from 3 tech 'bases' then improving that production line to the CN9-Ar is a good move for them.  They maybe the only place not building Ds or better, which means making their line a 9-Ar is a 'new' design if they are not just making/buying kits for the old 3025 Centurions they have on hand.

Where's your source that they've upgraded the -H line?

[wantec]

Where's your source that they've upgraded the -H line?

There's no specifics that the -H line was upgraded, only that unspecified retrotech 'Mech lines were upgraded standard/intro tech lines.

[Col.Hengist]

There's no info on the centurion H in the DA on the MUL. So I guess we'll have to wait until either the MUL updates or assume it's not being produced.

 There are entries for other DA units, so I think we just need to wait for more info. I want to say I appreciate the folks working on the MUL and their efforts. It's really been a boon.

[Adacas]

There's no info on the centurion H in the DA on the MUL. So I guess we'll have to wait until either the MUL updates or assume it's not being produced.

 There are entries for other DA units, so I think we just need to wait for more info. I want to say I appreciate the folks working on the MUL and their efforts. It's really been a boon.

It's a great job of MUL, hopefully soon update periods missing, I wonder if it would be too problematic if put some mech is being produced in this or that state by rinsing with a single letter or symbol as a factory

[Weirdo]

There's no specifics that the -H line was upgraded...

Thanks, that's all I needed to hear.

[Colt Ward]

Ugh, this is where answering different drifts in the thread causes problems

Weirdo- when I answered I was not saying the line got upgraded.  I was answering Maritus saying that he doubts any production lines would produce the 9-Ar instead of a newer/better design.  My point was that compared to what the Marians were already producing in the 9-H with its primitive components the 9-Ar is actually a upgraded factory IF it was done.

[Arkansas Warrior]

It's a great job of MUL, hopefully soon update periods missing, I wonder if it would be too problematic if put some mech is being produced in this or that state by rinsing with a single letter or symbol as a factory

I'm sorry, what?

[Adacas]

I wonder if it would not be too much trouble to put me being produced in either state, with a single letter or symbol as a factory I think it would be enough


EJ: Marian Hegemony

 CN9-Ar    - Build - Drawing Factory

Sorry my bad english

[Archangel]

It's a great job of MUL, hopefully soon update periods missing, I wonder if it would be too problematic if put some mech is being produced in this or that state by rinsing with a single letter or symbol as a factory

I wonder if it would not be too much trouble to put me being produced in either state, with a single letter or symbol as a factory I think it would be enough


EJ: Marian Hegemony

 CN9-Ar    - Build - Drawing Factory

Yes it probably would be too problematic.  Too many factories, too many designs/variants.  Ensuring that the information entered is accurate would be a huge headache for something they are already providing for free.  It is already a big enough headache updating the MUL each time a new TRO gets released.

[Adacas]

Yes it probably would be too problematic.  Too many factories, too many designs/variants.  Ensuring that the information entered is accurate would be a huge headache for something they are already providing for free.  It is already a big enough headache updating the MUL each time a new TRO gets released.

It was a good idea, if you can not, you can not

[Saint]

Here's a production list from our earlier threads. Is there anything I missed?

Mechs
Locust, Commando, Icarus (Primative), Centurion (Retro) , Gladiator (Primative), Emperor (Primative),

Tanks
 APC's, Maultier, Harasser, J.E. Hover, Gladius, Gladius II, Fulcrum, Testudo, SRM, Laser, AC2 Carrier, Hvy LRM Carrier (was in the works as of 3085)

BA
Marauder and Ravager

Fighters
Shilone

[Col.Hengist]

There's a list a bit further up.

[Saint]

Yes but this list is just a bare bones of what's produced. :)

[Col.Hengist]

This'll give you some idea of what we have available at least.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Era/FactionEraDetails?FactionId=35&EraId=16

[Adacas]

Yes but this list is just a bare bones of what's produced. :)

I would add to that list as potentially built to Schreck and the Goblin, as the factory Leximon officially built for the ATC is an expansion of production of Addhara

[Weirdo]

Mechs
Locust, Commando, Icarus (Primative), Centurion (Retro) , Gladiator (Primative), Emperor (Primative),

Giant Space Roman Ape-Robots sounds epic. [rockon]

[Col.Hengist]

Wait... which one is the Ape robot?