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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #600 on: 06 September 2018, 20:39:22 »
Problem is, we still don't know what an Alae is. Is it an Aero Maniple, Cohort, Legion?

I assume its a Century (20 ASF).
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #601 on: 06 September 2018, 20:50:05 »
Ugh...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ala#English

Alae is plural for Ala or wing. Meaning it's as close one can get to a 5 Air Maniple unit.

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Air Maniple - 2 Aerospace Fighters
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4: Catalyst Game Labs Ask The Writers/Rules Questions response, 11 Feb 2014
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #602 on: 06 September 2018, 21:01:11 »
I assume its a Century (20 ASF).

We were just informed that a Century is five fighters.

I'm assuming that Alae are either 10-fighter Maniples or 30-fighter Cohorts, but until someone official clears it up, we just don't know. I'm going for the latter, but wouldn't be extremely surprised if it were the former. Air cover has always been a weakness of the Legions, and if we got rid of all our weaknesses, there'd be nothing interesting about us.

That's why I prefer to use intro tech stuff as much as possible, or primitives. I'll use standard or advanced every so often(mostly in non-Mech stuff), but by and large the more a force focuses on numbers or brute durability instead of technology, the more Marian it feels to me.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #603 on: 06 September 2018, 22:16:31 »
We were just informed that a Century is five fighters.

I'm assuming that Alae are either 10-fighter Maniples or 30-fighter Cohorts, but until someone official clears it up, we just don't know. I'm going for the latter, but wouldn't be extremely surprised if it were the former. Air cover has always been a weakness of the Legions, and if we got rid of all our weaknesses, there'd be nothing interesting about us.

That's why I prefer to use intro tech stuff as much as possible, or primitives. I'll use standard or advanced every so often(mostly in non-Mech stuff), but by and large the more a force focuses on numbers or brute durability instead of technology, the more Marian it feels to me.

Mea culpa. I meant Cohort.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #604 on: 07 September 2018, 14:56:49 »
Think of it this way:

A standard Mech Company uses 3 Lances, with the 3rd Lance an Air Lance. Meaning 2 ASFs are added. Now the MHAF uses 2 Centuries per Maniple and adds 2 ASFs but calls them Air Maniples.

I propose that the same is common with MHAF. Every Maniple has an Aero escort. What is missing is a Command Air Maiple and and a Auxilia Support Maniple, ie: a fourth using traditional vehicles and or Infantry.

Like every Cohort has a Command Air Maniple, 3 regular Air Maiple assigned to each Maniples of the Cohort and the 4th Air Maniple assigned to Auxilia Support. So in all total, 4 Maniples per Cohort.

But this is my understanding, where also talking about giant stompy robots here!

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #605 on: 07 September 2018, 15:59:28 »
Roam cavalry did not use the same notation as infantry. I find it curious that they use Century with them and not Decuria, Turma, Ala (I think I am missing a rank or 2 there)
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #606 on: 07 September 2018, 16:06:57 »
The Marian Hegemony may draw heavily from Rome, but it isn't Rome. Things aren't going to be an exact comparison, even allowing for obvious differences such as the fact that unlike Rome's Legions, the Hegemony deploys giant robots.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #607 on: 07 September 2018, 16:08:51 »
Their priests of Vulcan obviously weren’t praying hard enough, to have never been granted the secret of robot-crafting.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #608 on: 08 September 2018, 10:03:04 »
The Marian Hegemony may draw heavily from Rome, but it isn't Rome. Things aren't going to be an exact comparison, even allowing for obvious differences such as the fact that unlike Rome's Legions, the Hegemony deploys giant robots.

Yeah . . . its more like a toga party that got out of hand and never ended.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #609 on: 08 September 2018, 12:37:02 »
Just announced the 1st Marik Protectors is coming out as the Spotlight On feature- which means since it will deal with their establishment it should have some Hegemony & Kendall info.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #610 on: 08 September 2018, 13:07:41 »
Ya know something...

I wonder how much intro tech is still being used even now in 3150-ish.

I mean, we have RATs that are " most commonly used " per faction, but there is ALWAYS an exception or two. Would you use an ER over a standard, even if it costed you another five hundred BV? Also what about " dumber " tech, like for instance everybody plays with the Victor-9B, but what about the -9A or even the -9A1?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #611 on: 08 September 2018, 13:22:09 »
Well . . . there is a place for some stuff not being cutting edge . . . look at the Hawkwolf- its fire support and so it has 3025 missile launchers or a improved version has MMLs . . . but if its role is to rain missiles directly or indirectly, does it really need ER Meds or does just plain Meds work?

I think we might see a lot of the Marian's stock of 3025 designs that they were using even up into the Jihad sporting the 'r' series refits- some of those IMO were overdue 3050 improvements.

But one thing to also keep in mind, IIRC some of the Hegemony fluff post-3100 was that the Hegemony's quartermaster corp has agents in battlezones and hiring hall worlds buying up scrap-level salvage to ship back home and rebuild.  Which should mean their techs are pretty good about putting stuff more advanced than 3025 back together.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #612 on: 08 September 2018, 13:48:34 »


I think we might see a lot of the Marian's stock of 3025 designs that they were using even up into the Jihad sporting the 'r' series refits- some of those IMO were overdue 3050 improvements.

But one thing to also keep in mind, IIRC some of the Hegemony fluff post-3100 was that the Hegemony's quartermaster corp has agents in battlezones and hiring hall worlds buying up scrap-level salvage to ship back home and rebuild.  Which should mean their techs are pretty good about putting stuff more advanced than 3025 back together.

Check the Techwizards, LTD entry in HB:MPS (pag. 162). Those guys specialize in making mechs from salvage and junk.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #613 on: 08 September 2018, 14:10:50 »
Interestingly, I find 3025 stuff to be pretty good counters to Protomechs. Most Protos are short-ranged enough that there's no advantage over intro tech guns, and the cheap(er) nature of older units means it's easier to counter their numerical advantage with numbers of your own, or enough size to easily tank hits from Proto-sized guns.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #614 on: 08 September 2018, 15:31:16 »
A lot of Marian equipment already has that high-low mix going on, even within the same unit.  The CN9-H is probably the classic example, being built largely from primitive equipment but also including an LB10-X autocannon.  The JM6-H refit is another good example, taking (apparently) 3025 JM6 chassis and refitting them with DHS, ferro fibrous armor, and LBX ACs.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #615 on: 08 September 2018, 16:49:41 »
Yeah, I was specifically thinking of the CN9-H & -Ar
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #616 on: 08 September 2018, 20:47:45 »
Problem is, we still don't know what an Alae is. Is it an Aero Maniple, Cohort, Legion?

Excellent question Weirdo, never made a difference in Ala Caelum Wing and Alae Alba

I always consider that the Alae Alba was a bigger formation than a Wing, maybe an Aero "Legion", with 3 Wings or more or accompanied by Assault Dropships and maybe some PWS.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #617 on: 08 September 2018, 21:57:03 »
PWS? What Capital Kinder Eggs to the Marians get? ???

 Last I heard, the Marian Navy had even less fluff than the Marian Air Force.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #618 on: 08 September 2018, 22:48:47 »
But one thing to also keep in mind, IIRC some of the Hegemony fluff post-3100 was that the Hegemony's quartermaster corp has agents in battlezones and hiring hall worlds buying up scrap-level salvage to ship back home and rebuild.  Which should mean their techs are pretty good about putting stuff more advanced than 3025 back together.
especially if it is something they already build some parts for, like the CN9-* Centurions.. their CN9-H primitive model isn't all that spectacular (still fairly solid though) but the chassis, Myomers, and other components ought to be cross compatible with most of the older models.

plus by the 3100's the Marians are building their own battle armor (the Ravager and Marauder suits), which ought to be a much trickier prospect than assembling more advanced mechs.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #619 on: 08 September 2018, 23:00:43 »
PWS? What Capital Kinder Eggs to the Marians get? ???

 Last I heard, the Marian Navy had even less fluff than the Marian Air Force.

FM: 3145 Periphery (General) aerospace table gave you the Mule PWS and Overlord A3.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #620 on: 09 September 2018, 03:29:36 »
Even then I'd imagine that due to the logistics and simple sparsity of Dropships in the periphery, Marian PWS would be very rare. I suspect that the bulk of the ones they have would be the Mule-Q
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #621 on: 20 October 2018, 00:51:01 »
Wouldn't they have access to SL-era Pocket Warship Mule?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #622 on: 20 October 2018, 01:51:14 »
Who knows, it's a possibility, but in the lists are the MULE PWS and the Overlord A 3

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #623 on: 07 November 2018, 12:41:18 »
Screw the PWS Mule . . . where are the DroST IIa gunships!
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