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What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« on: 30 December 2016, 02:15:37 »
I just got a box full of MW:DA miniatures.  They including the Atlas, Jupiter, Arbalest, Centurion, Templar, Spider, Firestarter, Legionaire, Koshi and Black Hawk BattleMechs.

Do these miniatures correspond to an official Table Top version published in a Technical Readout and if so, which TRO is it?

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #1 on: 30 December 2016, 08:16:26 »
Their spread out.   Most of the units prominently featured in:
TRO: 3067, TRO: Project Phoenix, TRO 3075,  TRO 3085, TRO:3085 Supplemental (or TRO3085S), TRO 3145 and 3150 (couple in this later one), XTRO: Republic I, II & III, Era Digest: Dark Age

If you go on Sarna.net, you can find a link on the bottom of one the pages named Category:Dark Age Mechs.
If you type in this "Category:Dark Age Mechs", these MWDA mechs will show up.  The included the ones not prominently shown in the click games, but all the one you mentioned are in there.  The individual articles WILL tell you which sources these mechs come from.

EDIT: Adding the other missing TROs
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #2 on: 30 December 2016, 08:30:56 »
To add in, TRO 3067 and TRO Reseen were designed specifically with MW:DA in mind, even though they predate it by a little.

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #3 on: 30 December 2016, 09:03:01 »
To be more precise:

TRO3075 - Legionnaire, Jupiter
TRO3085 - Arblest, Atlas, Spider
TRO3145 - Black Hawk, Centurion, Firestarter, Koshi Templar
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #4 on: 30 December 2016, 09:07:45 »
Just FYI, i'm sure you maybe aware.  MWDA Templar and Atlas are listed as new units, aka Templar III and Atlas III.  The Odd looking Atlas, that clicky game started with is a variant in TRO: 3085 thou there it sort of looks like an American Football player.
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #5 on: 30 December 2016, 09:31:34 »
I think some of those are in TRO 3150 instead of 3145.

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« Reply #6 on: 30 December 2016, 17:00:05 »
I'm confess I'm still trying to sort all of this out.  So I have this batch of MW: DA miniatures I described.  I believe they are all from the first "set."  Is there a "year" or a range of years this set is suited for?  Given they are spread across so many different TROs, I'm just trying to figure out what "time" I'm playing in.  I'm a long time classic TT player, so this "version" of BT is basically all new to me.

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #7 on: 30 December 2016, 17:20:34 »
I'm confess I'm still trying to sort all of this out.  So I have this batch of MW: DA miniatures I described.  I believe they are all from the first "set."  Is there a "year" or a range of years this set is suited for?  Given they are spread across so many different TROs, I'm just trying to figure out what "time" I'm playing in.  I'm a long time classic TT player, so this "version" of BT is basically all new to me.

Mechwarrior Dark Age is initially set in the year 3132 and progresses forward from there.  The units used are a mixed bag as the initial factions are small groups based in the Republic of the Sphere who either profess loyalty to different larger factions in the Inner Sphere (The Swordsworn to House Davion, Highlanders to the Republic, Dragon's Fury to House Kurita) or are using the confusion of the Blackout to further their own agenda (Steel Wolves wish to carve out their own territory as a Clan Wolf offshoot, Spirit Cats want to find a stable homeland, Bannson's Raiders expand their owner's holdings).

As the game progressed, another loyalist faction, the Stormhammers for House Steiner was added, but then more Inner Sphere factions were added - House Liao, the Republic and Clan Jade Falcon first, but the smaller factions were gradually phased out in favour of just using the main factions.
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #8 on: 30 December 2016, 17:26:03 »
Technically all DA minis are "available" in the Dark Age period - 3130 and onwards, or thereabouts.

The problem is that some of the units are old, "familiar" ones to the TT player, which have soldiered on for centuries (eg. the Phoenix Hawk, admittedly in its Reseen shape, or the Timber Wolf). Others are new designs from the Jihad or Republic eras, or fresh off the production line for the Dark Age.

Two simple ways to check a unit's age:

1) The MUL will have introduction dates & factional availability. For example, the Jupiter comes into play in the Jihad, restricted to the Falcons & Hells Horses, before being produced in the Republic.

2) Sarna will give you similar information, but much more descriptive text.

It's a little running around, but you get the information in the end. Remember, WK kept producing new units while Fanpro, then CGL, kept producing TROs.

Are you looking at converting units for TT play in IWM scale, or hexless play in DA scale?

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #9 on: 30 December 2016, 21:13:45 »
Are you looking at converting units for TT play in IWM scale, or hexless play in DA scale?

I'm primarily interested in repurposing the miniatures for use with Total Warfare. 

However, I have the rule set for MW:DA as it was included with the box of miniatures.  However, in all truth, the bases of the most the units are incredibly hard to twist, either that or there is some trick to turning them that I have yet to discover.  I was afraid I'd brake some of units with the amount of twisting it was taking them to click.  Then again, I suppose they're 10+ years old at this point. 

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« Reply #10 on: 30 December 2016, 21:30:39 »
For infantry, use a 4X4 lego block.

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #11 on: 31 December 2016, 02:07:07 »
There are some threads in Miniatures talking about which work best with other TT minis. Infantry, field guns, and most BA work just fine.

Plus, they're the best feedstock - plastic is so much easier to work with, cut, & combine ;)

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« Reply #12 on: 31 December 2016, 15:00:40 »
Does anyone know of a repository with high-quality photographs of all (or most) of the original MechWarrior: Dark Age miniatures?  A number of the ones I received are damaged and I've got a collection of small parts in the bottom of the box that go somewhere.  I was also considering making myself a little TT guide to them all for quick reference.

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« Reply #13 on: 31 December 2016, 15:55:17 »
Warrenborne is among the best sited got pictures and stats.
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« Reply #14 on: 31 December 2016, 19:35:10 »
Warrenborne is among the best sited got pictures and stats.

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« Reply #16 on: 01 January 2017, 18:25:47 »
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #17 on: 04 January 2017, 01:18:43 »
MW:DA or Mechcommander II style?

I can figure the answer for myself, but I had to ask. ><

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« Reply #18 on: 15 March 2019, 07:39:11 »
I originally posted this question in Dec., 2016.  Well over two years later, I now know the answer, intimately.  From FASA's TRO: 3055 to Catalyst's Era Digest: Dark Age, to the faction-based TRO 3145 series, the range of units available in MW:DA/MW:AOD spans a breathtaking number of products.

And I've harvested them.  I've compiled tabletop statistics for somewhere just north of 160 MechWarrior 'Mechs and vehicles and soon I will release the beta draft of it.  Along the way, my own MW collection has grown and I've taken to removing the original Clix base, replacing it with a traditional, if a touch oversized, hex base and playing classic BattleTech games set in the Dark Age with them.  A truly revolutionary thing for an old grognard like to me do.

All in all, I will say that in many cases the aesthetics of the miniatures have grown on me over time, but most importantly, the entirely different style of the miniatures has enhanced my Dark Age campaign by making it look just so damn different from any of our previous games.  I will also confess to forcing my group to start out in IndustrialMech Mods ;)

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #19 on: 15 March 2019, 09:38:56 »
the most fun i had running a campaign was when the players started with a lance of two quasits and two coppers along with some infantry and light vehicles. unsure if they felt the same way  :))

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« Reply #20 on: 15 March 2019, 09:49:11 »
I've enjoyed running armed IndustrialMechs so much in random games that I'm planning to add a lance of them to my shitbox militia battalion 
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« Reply #21 on: 15 March 2019, 10:37:08 »
After playing MWDA way back . . . I decided my engineer platoon would be supported by two armed Indi mechs piloted by MW apprentices.  So the infantry platoon of engineers, a APC for their movement which a dozer blade, a ForestryMech with AC/5 and a ConstructionMech with a LRM5 and I think a RL10.  Good support element for the mercs while training replacement mechwarriors.

Also on a lark did a MWDA starter campaign, involved the Republic planet's Standing Guard arming IndiMechs, with pirates visiting and a Dragon's Fury drop.  The Fury popped a unarmed LoaderMech that rushed out from behind a hill to melee and a pair of gun trucks- but managed to steal a DS shipment of fresh IndiMechs in early 3133.
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #22 on: 16 March 2019, 00:36:34 »
Talking about TRO entries for MW:DA units - did the Mining Mech MkII (aka 'dump truck on legs') ever get a TRO entry?

Sarna only lists the Mining Mech I: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/MM-1_MiningMech
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« Reply #23 on: 16 March 2019, 20:57:12 »
We may not ever know, there was planned book called TRO: Irregular Tech, which was suppose carry usual civilian-militarized units in it which could have included MineMech, but i guess plans changed.
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« Reply #24 on: 17 March 2019, 06:05:10 »
For the MiningMech II MOD, I came up with a RAC/2 and 3 x Rocket Launcher 10's... (see attachment)

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« Reply #25 on: 17 March 2019, 10:07:16 »
Nice find! That thing terrible. With out even a basic fire control the modifier to hit makes impossible do really to hit.
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« Reply #26 on: 17 March 2019, 11:30:06 »
In other words - the Miningmech II does not appear in any (official) TRO yet.

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« Reply #27 on: 17 March 2019, 13:32:57 »
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« Reply #28 on: 20 March 2019, 05:06:39 »
The MININGmech II seems to be this one:
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7162/carbine-con-8h-haulermech
No MOD version however.

I am working on my own Militia Industrial mech force

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« Reply #29 on: 23 May 2019, 06:19:27 »
Now that I've been playing "classic" BT with Wizkids MWDA miniatures for a while now and I've got another observation.

There is an astonishing similarity between most, if not all, Wizkids MWDA miniatures and their corresponding IWM version, and the FanPro/CGL published artwork in the TRO. 

Take, for example, the LCT-5M Locust.  The FanPro Project Phoenix art, the MWDA miniature and the Iron Wind Metals version are essentially identical (although the scale of two miniatures varies a bit).

Or, as a newer example, the Osiris, introduced in FanPro's first TRO: 3067.  Again, the published art and both MWDA and IWM miniatures are in good agreement.

Which brings me to my classic "which came first: the chicken or the egg question", or in this case: Who provided the original concept art:  FanPro, Wizkids, Iron Wind Metals?

Given that CGL didn't publish TRO: 3075 until 2008, the same year that the MWDA franchise ended production, I'm fairly confident that Wizkids gets credit for initially envisioning many of the DA 'Mechs that later appeared in CGL TROs and from there went onto production as IWM miniatures. 

Or said in a different way, Wizkids is responsible for the Uziel and Thanatos among many, many other designs.  Thanks, Wizkids!

Thoughts, corrections?

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« Reply #30 on: 23 May 2019, 07:29:04 »
Uziel and Thanatos were from the Mechwarrior video games first I believe and were in TR 3067. SAme with Osiris.  MW4: released in 2000. TR3067 in 2002. 
The Project Phoenix were FanPro first. TRPP was released in 2003.
But MW:DA 'mechs that were new to tabletop BT with TR3075 and later were indeed Wizkids first.  Ryoken II, Sun Cobra, DI Morgan tank, etc. but not all of 3075 was MWDA.  Legionnaire and Wight were never MWDA for example.
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« Reply #31 on: 23 May 2019, 08:56:06 »
Wasnt th legionnaire in the first set?
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« Reply #32 on: 23 May 2019, 09:14:32 »
Wasnt th legionnaire in the first set?

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« Reply #33 on: 23 May 2019, 10:12:55 »
Depends on the model . . . for the Osiris, it was MW4 that came before it all just like the Uziel, Chimera, Thanatos and maybe missing one.

Locust 5M, not really sure but I THINK the TRO PP came first as part of the first re-vamps of the Unseen.  The MWDA made a appearance in a RS before TRO3075, it was a product early in the Dark Ages line to let folks play with those designs . . . basically if it appeared in the first or second MWDA set it was in that RA with some noted exceptions.

Yeah, the Legionnaire is one that got picked up very quickly by BT- I love the design, the IWM mini works pretty well but the arms are just so thin . . . just too bad its beyond my skills to put something on to thicken them up.
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« Reply #34 on: 23 May 2019, 11:09:11 »
Depends on the model . . . for the Osiris, it was MW4 that came before it all just like the Uziel, Chimera, Thanatos and maybe missing one.

Locust 5M, not really sure but I THINK the TRO PP came first as part of the first re-vamps of the Unseen.  The MWDA made a appearance in a RS before TRO3075, it was a product early in the Dark Ages line to let folks play with those designs . . . basically if it appeared in the first or second MWDA set it was in that RA with some noted exceptions.

Yeah, the Legionnaire is one that got picked up very quickly by BT- I love the design, the IWM mini works pretty well but the arms are just so thin . . . just too bad its beyond my skills to put something on to thicken them up.

So the Record Sheets: Dark Age I is a direct port FROM MWDA TO “classic” BattleTech?  The RS appeared before any published “classic” TRO fluff?

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« Reply #35 on: 23 May 2019, 11:45:23 »
Yeah, I want to say we had a lot of forum discussion about converting the MWDA Dossiers into the mechs (my biggest disappointment/disgust is with the Ghost) and so they provided one for us.
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« Reply #36 on: 23 May 2019, 16:22:00 »
So the Record Sheets: Dark Age I is a direct port FROM MWDA TO “classic” BattleTech?  The RS appeared before any published “classic” TRO fluff?

Yup. Randall basically did them up on the fly.
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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #37 on: 23 May 2019, 22:30:53 »
Yup. Randall basically did them up on the fly.

I appreciate the insight.  I find such minutiae interesting as it provides a bit of context for what I'm looking at, especially given I was on a BT hiatus during the whole FanPro / Wizkids Jihad / Dark Age period.  It also explains why the "Dossier" versions feature a relatively low tech level given the time period and what was theoretically available.

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Re: What TRO are the MW: DA Units Detailed in?
« Reply #38 on: 24 May 2019, 01:10:46 »
The dossiers are a real mixed bunch since you have restored antiques, armed Indimechs and cutting edge stuff in small handfuls at the beginning simply because you were dealing with the little factions.  You started seeing more advanced stuff once the Republic and CapCon started showing up more.
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