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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #241 on: 15 November 2017, 18:45:32 »
Exciting. I like that SP campaign footage. Now, I just need my Marauders, Warhammers, and Archers. Mmmm...

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #242 on: 17 November 2017, 03:38:23 »
God, that 'terrorist' is so dumb. Who tries to steal a Lance of Battlemechs while the pilots are still in their seats? With light vehicles, no less?
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #243 on: 17 November 2017, 07:50:55 »
God, that 'terrorist' is so dumb. Who tries to steal a Lance of Battlemechs while the pilots are still in their seats? With light vehicles, no less?
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #244 on: 17 November 2017, 08:12:40 »
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #245 on: 17 November 2017, 21:07:44 »
She's a burp in the universe.

And honestly, her ability to somehow take on all battlemechs ever in single combat apparently always struck me as something akin to Alice Abernathy.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #246 on: 17 November 2017, 21:50:11 »
I so despise that character archetype.
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« Reply #247 on: 17 November 2017, 21:52:53 »
The "author's pet" archetype?

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #248 on: 17 November 2017, 22:22:27 »
The "author's pet" archetype?

That's a good way to put it. Joss Wheedon did this with a bunch of his characters as well, which is how I saw through his facade years before he was exposed. I'm fine with straight-up badasses like Natasha Kerensky, but these "emotionally damaged and beautiful and awesome fighters and  uninterested in sex and everyone respects them, etc etc." characters are just trash garbage.

Remember "As Good As It Gets"? There's a great bit in the beginning. A woman asks Jack Nicholson's character, "How do you write women so well?" Jack responds, "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability." That's what Cassie Suthorn and her ilk are: action heroes with crippling mental illnesses to excuse their behavior. They're dolls, and more unrealistic than giant combat robots.

Frankly, it's creepy just how widespread that archetype is.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #249 on: 17 November 2017, 22:35:42 »
I don't mind characters with some sort of tragedy in their backstory, but I hate it when it becomes their defining trait that they have to wangst about all the time.  It's like canonizing your own fanfiction.

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #250 on: 27 November 2017, 23:36:03 »
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2056597?ref=activity - Official Multiplayer Backer Beta Is LIVE!

Probably not exciting news for many, it wasn't hard to enable the "secret" Multiplayer Beta if you visited the HBS forums or even read the last major Beta update, multiplayer is now live for ALL beta players, no special password required. What is exciting is:

This is the last Beta update before release.
Beta will remain up "until the end of the year".
Beta purchase/back upgrade to Beta access level will be turned off on December 1st 2017.

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #251 on: 29 November 2017, 01:58:32 »
Oh, so we'll never get to test out the Mechlab? Shame.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #252 on: 08 January 2018, 21:54:37 »
Bye Bye Backer Beta. Noticed Steam just ran a update and that the exe file has been removed. Checking the game folders I noticed a little note from HBS

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We have learned a lot from your feedback and just the fact that you played has helped make the game better. We very much appreciate the playtime you put in and hope you enjoy the adjustments we have made when the full game arrives. We look forward to your playing at that time just as we know you are!

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #253 on: 08 January 2018, 22:15:50 »
Damn, should have played it more when I had the chance I guess.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's still there.  Staying offline to keep fallout 4 from patching has its perks I guess.  [##]
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #254 on: 08 January 2018, 23:36:17 »
Had I known this would happen I would have copied the entire thing over to my other comp since I don't have it connected to the net and it has all my steam games on it already (minus this one)

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #255 on: 10 January 2018, 16:27:57 »
Bye Bye Backer Beta. Noticed Steam just ran a update and that the exe file has been removed. Checking the game folders I noticed a little note from HBS

I don't think I've started Steam on my laptop in a week. I wonder if I can still pay it on there if I stay off-line
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #256 on: 16 January 2018, 17:34:15 »
Kickstarter Backer Update #47 - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2089189?ref=backer_project_update

Not an announcement of when the game will ship, but a status update advising what features previously announced as part of the Kickstarter or after WON'T be ready at time release and have slipped til after launch.
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Part of why Solaris won't be in at release is because multiplayer has been rejigged and simplfied - rather than a global competitive league with tournaments, they've stripped it down to what we've already seen - browse public games via a lobby or invite friends to private matches. That is causing people to lose their minds a tad...
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #257 on: 16 January 2018, 18:49:34 »
That is causing people to lose their minds a tad...

So par for the course.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #258 on: 17 January 2018, 21:30:33 »
Based on past performance I'm happy to trust HBS to deliver, and I'd much rather have them deliver good quality late than poor quality at launch
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #259 on: 18 January 2018, 00:17:13 »
Yes, the only people IMO who really have a leg to stand on for being mislead is the Linux guys as that was a day one promise. Rest of the stuff was very much stretch goal stuff, though admittedly many people didn't contribute until multiplayer was a goer.

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« Reply #260 on: 18 January 2018, 01:53:38 »
Yeah, but given how quickly the stretch goal for multiplayer was met, that doesn't really indicate that people were specifically funding it because of multiplayer.

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #261 on: 18 January 2018, 07:47:41 »
multiplayer will extend the life of the game beyond it's missions.  I would like more, perhaps different eras added too.  However, there so much they can do i suspect.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #262 on: 21 January 2018, 11:04:35 »
anyone else think the last update from HBS was like a deathblow for support of the game as the anger is real , I also wonder if what HBS has done will reflect badly on the battletech community in general

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #263 on: 21 January 2018, 11:18:31 »
anyone else think the last update from HBS was like a deathblow for support of the game as the anger is real , I also wonder if what HBS has done will reflect badly on the battletech community in general

No.  Gamer anger is as plentiful as water; this will make no difference to anything anywhere.

Linux fans have a right to be annoyed, as they're seeing something that they were promised slip, but overall the game will come out and do just fine.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #264 on: 21 January 2018, 11:40:09 »
anyone else think the last update from HBS was like a deathblow for support of the game as the anger is real , I also wonder if what HBS has done will reflect badly on the battletech community in general
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #265 on: 21 January 2018, 11:55:36 »
The game will still have multiplayer at the start it just won't have any kind of leagues.   And really, if someone can't enjoy a game unless total strangers are aware of how good they are at playing it, then I really don't have a high value on that someone's opinion.   Yeah, bragging rights are fun, but what's the point if you don't enjoy the game?  "I can scrape manure off a barn floor faster than 90% of all barn owners!"

As for linux, I do think HBS made the right decision.  They can either make 100% of their backers(and potential future buyers) wait, or they can make 25% of them wait.  And I think saying 25% is a little generous.  Of course, if I were a Linux user I'd still be pissed, but I think I'd understand HBS' motivation for the decision.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #266 on: 21 January 2018, 14:37:09 »
Other than the Linux thing, I believe everything else were all stretch goals, so it's not surprising they won't see launch. Plus they didn't say those things will never happen, just that they won't be ready for launch day (and I'm fairly confident most will find their way into the game eventually). Grounds for disappointment? Sure. Grounds to go off on a fan-rage? Nah.

Even the best run kickstarters generally over-promise, it's just part of the way of things. Besides, HBS has shown they know how to deliver. They've done it several times now. (And when will people learn KS isn't a pre-order service?

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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #267 on: 21 January 2018, 14:55:39 »
Other than the Linux thing, I believe everything else were all stretch goals, so it's not surprising they won't see launch. Plus they didn't say those things will never happen, just that they won't be ready for launch day (and I'm fairly confident most will find their way into the game eventually). Grounds for disappointment? Sure. Grounds to go off on a fan-rage? Nah.

Even the best run kickstarters generally over-promise, it's just part of the way of things. Besides, HBS has shown they know how to deliver. They've done it several times now. (And when will people learn KS isn't a pre-order service?

Agreed. It's supposed to be a rational decision where some "investments" never work out. I have a pretty good return rate; probably all but two have delivered to my expectations. One was just garbage (a side-by-side syntax/behavior comparison between three programming languages that was delivered in a half-assed pdf) and the other (Star Citizen for Squadron 42) has very public issues.

All funding I've given has been on the basis that I can afford to lose it, just as with any other high-risk speculation (I own a single etherium coin just to watch what happens and enjoy the ride). And I particularly do not hold strict expectations for software game design. The field is partly technical but also partly artistic, like a movie. I have seen too many cases to count where game features had to be removed just to make the rest of the game successful. This is normal; it happens. Promises can't be kept to 100% so you roll with changes and accept 80% as still a success.

My general opinion is that if you're going to have a conniption over your format or port not being prioritized, I find it very difficult to summon sympathy. A delay is still delivery in a field where milestones get blown past no matter how good your management is. Remember, this is partly an artistic field and likely a project making a high risk artistic bet. A delay is not even a format loss. It amounts only to losing out on release-day hype and water-cooler talk. If that's upsetting to the point of raging permanent sarcasm about the developer, I can't help you and I'm not inclined to be sympathetic.

My advice: If it is critical to your enjoyment of life that you get a stretch goal on time, don't give to the Kickstarter. Just don't. It's not worth the risk or your emotional health to hold unrealistic expectations like that. Find other games elsewhere. Goodness knows there's a mountain of high quality material these days.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #268 on: 21 January 2018, 17:47:08 »
(And when will people learn KS isn't a pre-order service?

Sorry, I hate this arguement. Kickstarter isn't an investment, you don't get any ownership.  The only thing it can possibly be is a pre-order service. The problem is that it's a very risky one.  But that is what it is, unless you want to call it a charity...
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter thread part deux
« Reply #269 on: 21 January 2018, 18:03:59 »
Sorry, I hate this arguement. Kickstarter isn't an investment, you don't get any ownership.  The only thing it can possibly be is a pre-order service. The problem is that it's a very risky one.  But that is what it is, unless you want to call it a charity...

No it's not an investment, but it's not a pre-order either. It's crowdfunding, which is sort of the middle ground between the two (all the risks of investment without the ownership). It's a gamble and a risk, you are buying in early on the word of the KS creator that they will be able to deliver what they promised, when they promised it. That is inherently different than pre-ordering, which is at most reserving a copy of something to get it at the earliest possible time.

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