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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #240 on: 08 June 2019, 09:56:50 »
I have always been unclear on why, a clan that focuses on aerofighters and can usually gain air superiority, would focus their ground units to combat enemy air support? An example of this is the Kodiak 3 with its double LBX-20s, "tied to the Ravens innate aerospace bias"

I could understand the Vipers or the Coyotes employing this since they fight aerospace dominate clans.

Internal Trials maybe.  Those are more likely than Trials with other clans

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #241 on: 08 June 2019, 20:30:40 »
The simplest explanation is usually right. Thank you.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #242 on: 08 June 2019, 21:20:32 »
There could also be the thought of "We know how damaging it can be if ground forces are ever caught without aerospace cover, so just in case the aerospace fighters are off doing something else, here's an idea to make sure the ground forces aren't completely screwed."

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #243 on: 08 June 2019, 21:34:04 »
Maybe they just like making cockpit salsa?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #244 on: 08 June 2019, 23:31:59 »
Haha thanks Foxx!

That does make sense, just seems a low chance given the sheer numbers the Ravens have.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #245 on: 09 June 2019, 15:20:25 »
Another good reason could be they can only produce so much, so they trade/buy from the Ghost Bears.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #246 on: 09 June 2019, 16:51:51 »
There could also be the thought of "We know how damaging it can be if ground forces are ever caught without aerospace cover, so just in case the aerospace fighters are off doing something else, here's an idea to make sure the ground forces aren't completely screwed."
I like this explanation equally well. Also, leaving anti-air capability with your ground forces frees up Raven fighters to strafe enemy formations.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #247 on: 10 June 2019, 15:30:14 »
On the surface that sounds reasonable, except that Raven second line clusters are made up of Triads and that gives the average cluster 50 fighters as opposed to 30. The only time they would lose air superiority is if they fought one of their own Stoops clusters or a Cobra equivalent. (I cant remember their specific name) Where they have 2 Trinary of fighter. Even if you give the Raven second line cluster an R-Team, that is still 4 Triads: 40 fighters.


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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #248 on: 11 June 2019, 14:49:30 »

On the very last page of TRO3150, there’s an NTNU entry for the Ravens’ new Gorgon 5 Protomech variant.  Supposedly has Streaks (LRM or SRM unspecified) and MagClamps (for mechanization).

I don’t think the RS has been printed, but thought I’d doublecheck here and make sure no one has the official stats.

Any help much appreciated.  Thx.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #249 on: 11 June 2019, 15:11:51 »
On the surface that sounds reasonable, except that Raven second line clusters are made up of Triads and that gives the average cluster 50 fighters as opposed to 30. The only time they would lose air superiority is if they fought one of their own Stoops clusters or a Cobra equivalent. (I cant remember their specific name) Where they have 2 Trinary of fighter. Even if you give the Raven second line cluster an R-Team, that is still 4 Triads: 40 fighters.
Bear in mind that the Ravens most frequent opponent is the DCMS, which is notable for being aerospace-heavy.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #250 on: 28 June 2019, 17:06:35 »
Ho, Snow Raven.

As my current green-feathered Khan to be a frothing lunatic that is attempting to depopulate every other planet she conquers and I'm wanting to use protos while staying relevant in the timeline, I've been considering trying to become a bondsman of the Raven Alliance.
 
Are there really only three galaxies left to the RA Touman (Alpha, Gamma, and Delta)? Are there other provisional or perhaps not as well known units that are part of the military?

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #251 on: 30 June 2019, 16:17:32 »
Don’t forget Beta galaxy. All of this assumes the Ravens have been truthful about their troop strength. Remember all the troops the WOB pulled out of hiding at the dawn of the Jihad.  >:D

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #252 on: 30 June 2019, 22:48:58 »
There's also the AMC Militia. Lots of clan cast offs for ASF, and other stuff.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #253 on: 05 July 2019, 15:36:49 »
On the very last page of TRO3150, there’s an NTNU entry for the Ravens’ new Gorgon 5 Protomech variant.  Supposedly has Streaks (LRM or SRM unspecified) and MagClamps (for mechanization).

I don’t think the RS has been printed, but thought I’d doublecheck here and make sure no one has the official stats.

Any help much appreciated.  Thx.

Well given that the base Gorgon has about 3.5 tons of space, minus 500kg for the mag clamp, the Gorgon 5 could conceivably mount a Streak LRM 6(12) or a Streak SRM 5(10), assuming minimal armor changes. It would necessarily have to mount the missiles in a main gun, they weigh more than 2000kg
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #254 on: 21 July 2019, 23:16:30 »
Hail, Snow Raven thread.  I've decided to paint all of my Kickstarer rewards as Clan Snow Raven's Epsilon Galaxy.  I'm currently in as a Bloodnamed, but may upgrade to Star Colonel after GenCon.  Does the following sound at all like a Snow Raven-y Cluster?

Dire Wolf, Executioner, Gladiator, Warhawk, Nova Cat (all slower than 5/8 base)

Timber Wolf, Summoner, Mad Dog, Hellbringer, Gargoyle (all 5/8)

Adder, Stormcrow, Kit Fox, Cougar, Battle Cobra (no jump, Medium or lower, 6/9 except the Cougar)

Grendel, Mist Lynx, Viper, Black Lanner, Shadow Cat (FAST!  6/9 with MASC or faster)

Fire Falcon, Arctic Cheetah, Ice Ferret, Fire Moth, Hellion (VERY FAST! 8/12 or faster)

5 Points Elementals

2 Points Elementals; 3 points Protomechs

5 points Protomechs

6x Visigoth, 2x Turk, 2x Sabutai

I know the Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, and Cougar are primarily Falcon designs, but the rest of the Star packs have equally not-Raven 'Mechs (Kodiak, Turkina) or have non-Omnis in them.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #255 on: 22 July 2019, 01:47:20 »

Dire Wolf
Gargoyle
Hellbringer
Grendel
Battle Cobra
Hellion

These depend on the era.  They are on the Raven MUL during the Clan Invasion.  They’re gone by the Dark Age.

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Arctic Cheetah
Fire Falcon
Cougar
Ice Ferret
Black Lanner

Viper

These never appear on a Raven MUL.  Too Falcony or Wolfish or Hellionic, apparently.  I’d make an exception for the Viper as it’s an allied Bear design and appears on the Clan General MULs during the Clan Invasion era.

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Executioner, Gladiator,

These are the same thing.  It’s a Bear design and the Ravens are their allies.  Present thru the Dark Age and it’s the Ravens’ heaviest Omni by then.

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Stormcrow,

This is the classic Raven Omni, as they refined the original Horse design after Tokasha and apparently still produce it in the Dark Age.  It’s arguably the second best Clan Omni.  I’d double and triple down on it and make it the core of a frontline Raven unit.

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Kodiak

The Ravens have their own variant, the Kodiak 3, apparently from trade with the allied Bears.

The uniquely Raven mechs are the Dark Crow, Omen, and Deimos.  If playing a later era, you could pick these up for flavor.  The Deimos in particular has some pretty nasty configs.

If I didn’t mention it above, then the mechs from your post (Timberwolf, Summoner, Mad Dog, Adder, Mist Lynx, Shadow Cat, etc.) are present in the Raven MULs during both the Clan Invasion and Dark Age.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #256 on: 22 July 2019, 06:29:55 »
Scotty,
Be advised that Epsilon never made it out of the clan homeworlds.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #257 on: 22 July 2019, 09:49:20 »
That's fine. I'm not about to leave them on a shelf just because such and such fight never "really" happened.

I'm not sure what I missed when I typed Gladiator; each Omni here is from the Clan Box and Star packs.  I will not be augmenting it with metal.  Ultimately I think I'm okay with 80% on the MUL.  I like the scheme too much. :D
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #258 on: 23 July 2019, 07:15:28 »
That's a pretty high fraction of omnis for a second line galaxy, but then again, Ravens have a run a high percentage of Omnis anyway.

Honestly, I would double or triple up on the following: Kit Fox, Nova, Stormcrow, Mad Dog, Timberwolf as these are probably the most common Raven omnis. Raven ground forces have a "generic but faster than 5/8" flavor dominated by 3050 designs. If it's a second line cluster I would sprinkle in a bit more Shadowhawk IIC, Hunchback IIC, Clint IIC, Warhammer IIC

Barring Zeta Galaxy (dearly departed  :'( ) Protomech formations seem to be entirely adhoc, so don't count them towards the typical Triad, instead they're tacked on extra
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #259 on: 20 September 2019, 08:33:31 »
What would everyone's ideal naval star consist of?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #260 on: 20 September 2019, 18:52:12 »
Nightlord, McKenna or Texas, Potempkin, and probably a pair of Lola-III or Aegis’s to round it out.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #261 on: 21 September 2019, 17:28:36 »
Four Leviathans and a Potempkin. :D
Granted, it would be a bit expensive.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #262 on: 21 September 2019, 17:45:32 »
Three Yorks and a Conqueror with a Liberator backup.

Allows me to transport 14 droppers and a @#%$#!!! full of ASF to a combat zone and escape out if it gets to heavy!

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #263 on: 21 September 2019, 19:46:43 »
How could I forget the Leviathan! *head desk repeatedly*

Leviathan III, Nightlord, Potempkin, and at that point McKenna and Texas. I’d probably still want to add a couple of Lola III’s or Aegis’s for support but if not the Droppers and ASF would serve: you have enough of them.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #264 on: 22 September 2019, 14:43:25 »
Four Leviathans and a Potempkin. :D
Granted, it would be a bit expensive.

 I don't want to imagine trying to feed all those aero pilots.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #265 on: 22 September 2019, 15:38:51 »
I don't want to imagine trying to feed all those aero pilots.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #266 on: 22 September 2019, 16:14:58 »
I don't want to imagine trying to feed all those aero pilots.
Three Yorks and a Conqueror with a Liberator backup.

Allows me to transport 14 droppers and a @#%$#!!! full of ASF to a combat zone and escape out if it gets to heavy!

TT

I forgot I even have a full Cluster of Clan Space Marines... all 1,200 + Troopers! With Elemental BA support...

( 20 Troopers per Point x 5 per Star x 3 per Trinary x 4ish... ( average is 3-5 Trinaries per Cluster ))

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #267 on: 22 September 2019, 16:16:37 »
I don't want to imagine trying to feed all those aero pilots.
We all know that the only things those pilots will need is booze and men/women of negotiable virtue. Food is secondary.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #268 on: 22 September 2019, 16:18:50 »
Naw, that's an Impero thing... booze. But they call it a Necrosa!, it's highly addicting from what I've heard, quiaff?

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #269 on: 22 September 2019, 22:17:19 »
A perfect reason for the Clans to develop Soylent Green ;)

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