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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #990 on: 25 November 2018, 10:38:46 »
It looks like there'll be TNG-style Klingons alongside the DISCO ones in series 2, as well as a TOS-Style D7.

Its getting ridiculous then... Cant see a good excuse for that to happen except... somekind of mumbo jumbo called timewarped distortion or some shit like that...  :crazy:

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Already saw it... very interesting... both per se and in the grand scheme of things... IMO.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #991 on: 25 November 2018, 11:23:59 »
Its getting ridiculous then... Cant see a good excuse for that to happen except... somekind of mumbo jumbo called timewarped distortion or some shit like that...  :crazy:

Here's a few ways I could see it happening, and keeping fairly true to what came before:

1) Changes to the timeline due to outside factors. More of a cop-out than anything else though. Way too clichéd and over-used.

2) Multiple sub-species of Klingons. Hard to reconcile why they would not have been revealed before though. Would help to explain the different ships as each group has its own dominant designs.

3) The Disco Klingons were an experiment in trying to overcome the side effects of the cure to the augment virus from Enterprise. Their failure in the war (or just how they ended up fracturing the Empire) led to discontinuing of their lines, restoring the Klingons to both the standard original movie/TNG/DS9/Voy era Klingons, and those affected by the cure to the augment virus. The latter come to dominate the Empire for the next decade or two as it focuses on the Federation, explaining why they are the only ones seen in TOS. This doesn't explain the vastly different ship styles between Disco and what came before.

4) Disco actually is actually an alternate universe from both the Prime and Kelvin universes. This could actually go with any of the above as well.

5) Something else entirely, and distinct from the above.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #992 on: 25 November 2018, 11:35:20 »
3)  and those affected by the cure to the augment virus. The latter come to dominate the Empire for the next decade or two as it focuses on the Federation, explaining why they are the only ones seen in TOS.
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actually a better explanation was, not that the Empire was dominated by them, but that the Empire chose to send them or let them to deploy on Klingon-Federation border to seek an honorable death or redeem their shame for having contracted the virus and then having to take the cure.  There was no need to have them be the dominant ethnic of the Empire, simply that they were most widely deployed on the border with Federation.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #993 on: 25 November 2018, 11:39:33 »
actually a better explanation was, not that the Empire was dominated by them, but that the Empire chose to send them or let them to deploy on Klingon-Federation border to seek an honorable death or redeem their shame for having contracted the virus and then having to take the cure.  There was no need to have them be the dominant ethnic of the Empire, simply that they were most widely deployed on the border with Federation.

True...sounds better too...

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #994 on: 25 November 2018, 11:44:45 »
...as well as a TOS-Style D7.

Don't give a flying hoot about the species thing., but if they have a decent explanation for the D7 slap to the face, I may consider borrowing someone else's DVDs of this.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #995 on: 25 November 2018, 12:05:02 »
Here's a few ways I could see it happening, and keeping fairly true to what came before:

1) Changes to the timeline due to outside factors. More of a cop-out than anything else though. Way too clichéd and over-used.

2) Multiple sub-species of Klingons. Hard to reconcile why they would not have been revealed before though. Would help to explain the different ships as each group has its own dominant designs.

3) The Disco Klingons were an experiment in trying to overcome the side effects of the cure to the augment virus from Enterprise. Their failure in the war (or just how they ended up fracturing the Empire) led to discontinuing of their lines, restoring the Klingons to both the standard original movie/TNG/DS9/Voy era Klingons, and those affected by the cure to the augment virus. The latter come to dominate the Empire for the next decade or two as it focuses on the Federation, explaining why they are the only ones seen in TOS. This doesn't explain the vastly different ship styles between Disco and what came before.

4) Disco actually is actually an alternate universe from both the Prime and Kelvin universes. This could actually go with any of the above as well.

5) Something else entirely, and distinct from the above.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #996 on: 25 November 2018, 12:38:08 »
So, going the multiple sub-species of Klingon route, or something else?

I'm assuming they'll just have Klingons with hair.  We don't need any sort of explanation.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #997 on: 25 November 2018, 17:39:20 »
2) Multiple sub-species of Klingons. Hard to reconcile why they would not have been revealed before though. Would help to explain the different ships as each group has its own dominant designs.

The Klingon Empire is secretly ruled by Deadpool. Whenever his medium awareness kicks in and lets him know a new series is about to start, he orders a new, completely different generation of klingons created both for marketing purposes and to argue with fans on message boards in the Q Continuum. Unsurprisingly, Q is a fan of TNG Klingons, while Q prefers the originals, and surprisingly Q is a huge fan of the new Disco variety (though he was also a big Babylon Five fan, so the liking the most drazi-like version isn't really a shock).

It's already been explained.

I would have adored it if they'd just left things like that and never spoke of it again. Just a whimsical nod to the past (like the entire episode in general) without it becoming a whole thing.

Now we've got augment klingons and disco klingons and movie klingons and tng klingons...
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #998 on: 25 November 2018, 18:19:49 »
To begin with, how do they explain showing the entire leadership of the Houses of the Empire looking like each other and not TNG or TOS style Klingons?

Well, for starters, they didn't show "the entire leadership of the Houses of the Empire"; they showed like 3 or 4 of the 24. So that gives them a lot of room to play.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #999 on: 25 November 2018, 20:18:50 »
Well, for starters, they didn't show "the entire leadership of the Houses of the Empire"; they showed like 3 or 4 of the 24. So that gives them a lot of room to play.
Well, that's a little better.
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« Reply #1000 on: 25 November 2018, 20:54:43 »
I thought they had noted somewhere that noe one was using old canon universe because legal reasons.
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« Reply #1001 on: 25 November 2018, 22:08:15 »
I thought they had noted somewhere that noe one was using old canon universe because legal reasons.
CBS can only use the shows and Paramount can only use the movies.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1002 on: 26 November 2018, 00:20:16 »
CBS can only use the shows and Paramount can only use the movies.

I don't think it's as clear-cut as that, thought.

Like, I'm fairly certain CBS can use the TOS and TNG movie canon as well as the TV shows' canon.

And I'm likewise fairly certain that Paramount could use the TOS and TNG movie canon, although they obviously chose not to do so.

I'm not aware of any place where any official statement of who could use what has ever been made. There's a lot of speculation and assumptions out there and I just don't know exactly what's correct and what's not.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1003 on: 26 November 2018, 05:58:02 »
I just wish in Discovery they would show more flybys and ships of the all fleets. They seemed like that was missed over the last season. Make it a little brighter also. I know space is dark, but Im not in space and need to see a battle.
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« Reply #1004 on: 26 November 2018, 14:27:17 »
I would have adored it if they'd just left things like that...

Thats my opinion also...

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« Reply #1005 on: 26 November 2018, 19:45:22 »
I don't think it's as clear-cut as that, thought.

Like, I'm fairly certain CBS can use the TOS and TNG movie canon as well as the TV shows' canon.

And I'm likewise fairly certain that Paramount could use the TOS and TNG movie canon, although they obviously chose not to do so.

I'm not aware of any place where any official statement of who could use what has ever been made. There's a lot of speculation and assumptions out there and I just don't know exactly what's correct and what's not.
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« Reply #1006 on: 27 November 2018, 08:16:52 »
wasn't Michael Okuda responsible for maintaining/organizing cannon?

Yes... unless something changed.

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« Reply #1007 on: 27 November 2018, 18:12:44 »
Yes... unless something changed.

At one point this was true, but I don’t think Okuda has worked on any official ST production in at least a decade.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1008 on: 27 November 2018, 20:07:31 »
The Saru Short Trek looked really good and very different from all the other ones. Doug Jones is a awesome actor glad they are giving him something.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1009 on: 28 November 2018, 15:21:35 »
wasn't Michael Okuda responsible for maintaining/organizing cannon?

*canon


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« Reply #1010 on: 28 November 2018, 16:18:31 »
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(not meant in a disparaging way; just a mild correction)

Maybe he meant...
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« Reply #1011 on: 28 November 2018, 19:59:46 »
Alas poor Photobucket. I knew him Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1012 on: 28 November 2018, 23:26:29 »
I am old enough that I am happy I can take a poop unassisted still. Grammar Nazi's can [Censored because I'm retired Navy. I know cuss words in 3 languages...I think] :D *snorts in amusement* what are we talking about again. Oh Mike O. I honestly didn't think he was into Star Trek in his life at this point because of how... whored out the IP is. In many ways, BT shares similar baggage (but a lot less financial worth) to Star Trek's discombulated IP status.

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« Reply #1013 on: 30 November 2018, 17:07:55 »
At one point this was true, but I don’t think Okuda has worked on any official ST production in at least a decade.

He hasn't been a consultant since Enterprise finished up, but he's written or co-written a few books and worked on the TOS and TNG remasters since then.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1014 on: 10 December 2018, 11:24:26 »
Okay this isn't about Discovery, but since this is the newest Trek thread I thought I'd share it here:

https://comicbook.com/startrek/amp/2018/12/09/star-trek-axanar-resumes-production/

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« Reply #1015 on: 10 December 2018, 15:56:11 »
*yahn* It was a fun idea until one particular [Censored] made a complete mess of it with their finances... now Axanar is irrelevant because not even the GOOD fan shows are active. It's like how Harmony Gold would smite anything fanfic but Paramount & CBS actually jointly owns the collective IP of Star Trek (as well as actually doing something with it). Not interested in a fanfic that is administratively and politically gelded horse...

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« Reply #1016 on: 10 December 2018, 16:59:19 »
*yahn* It was a fun idea until one particular [Censored] made a complete mess of it with their finances... now Axanar is irrelevant because not even the GOOD fan shows are active. It's like how Harmony Gold would smite anything fanfic but Paramount & CBS actually jointly owns the collective IP of Star Trek (as well as actually doing something with it). Not interested in a fanfic that is administratively and politically gelded horse...
well yeah now that Axanar has been reformatted to the new "FanFic" rules in order to move forward, it would be somewhat different.
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« Reply #1017 on: 10 December 2018, 17:51:34 »
They blead their money fighting those morons to with all those legal fees. I hope they're able to get something through.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1018 on: 10 December 2018, 18:14:28 »
I don't understand why people get mad at the IP holders for suing someone wanting to use that IP without permission to make a large production.

Axanar isn't some small-time fan production like what usually gets rightly ignored, they ran a kisckstarter to raise a bunch of money to hire real actors and a real production crew making real sets and props, and they got a ton of press.

And don't forget, even if their swag didn't Say Star Trek on it, they were still using the production of Axanar to sell all kinds of things, so they were still making money off the Star Trek IP even if indirectly.

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« Reply #1019 on: 10 December 2018, 18:21:46 »
I don't understand why people get mad at the IP holders for suing someone wanting to use that IP without permission to make a large production.

Axanar isn't some small-time fan production like what usually gets rightly ignored, they ran a kisckstarter to raise a bunch of money to hire real actors and a real production crew making real sets and props, and they got a ton of press.

And don't forget, even if their swag didn't Say Star Trek on it, they were still using the production of Axanar to sell all kinds of things, so they were still making money off the Star Trek IP even if indirectly.
Yeah, but it doesn't change one fact; ST: DISCO is set in the same time frame as Axanar. And you know a lot of nitpickers will point that out.
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