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Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« on: 11 November 2017, 18:48:33 »
A friend of mine is offering me his 3055 Technical Read out--it was printed in 1992 by FASA. Is this balanced for my Total Warfare/A Time of War campaign, or is it only balanced for an earlier edition of Battletech?

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #1 on: 11 November 2017, 19:03:49 »
The units in there are still valid for TW.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #2 on: 11 November 2017, 19:04:59 »
Technical Readout 3055, and the other earlier tech readouts, will work just fine with Total Warfare/A Time of War, as the stats for those 'Mechs are pretty much unchanged. (I can't think of any designs from that book that have received an errata that changes them.)

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #3 on: 11 November 2017, 19:14:12 »
For the most part, yes. At least, as far as 'Mechs go. Vees and Aero units changed too much with Total Warfare.


I think the only real change was in how Ferro-Fibrous armor was rounded. I think (and I could be entirely wrong), but any pre-TW 'Mech with FF should delete 1 armor point. (But it's not such a big deal with for a casual game.)

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #4 on: 11 November 2017, 20:47:11 »
The construction rules pretty much didn't change (other than adding new equipment).  The changes were mostly about rules. Classic designs are still fully valid
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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #5 on: 12 November 2017, 10:38:27 »
There have been a couple of tiny little changes to the rules over the years that will affect certain designs.  But it's as someone said above, that basically means a few designs lose one armor point from somewhere.  One or two designs lose a half-ton of machine gun ammo, that sort of thing.  The changes are so minor that it's really not worth worrying about.

The construction rules in Battletech have remained mostly the same since the very beginning, at least for Battlemechs.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #6 on: 12 November 2017, 13:21:02 »
Since original 3055 there have been 2 changes that will affect "some" units in the TRO.

Fractional Accounting & Ferro Rounding.   (Both of which I hugely disagreed with, grrr)

The first is much older & saw a few designs loose a heatsink or 1/4 ton MG or some other minor change.

The 2nd came with TW which is rounding down instead of rounding at .5.

Neither change was needed.  They could have left Rounding as was, it invalidated roughly 50% of all FFA using Record Sheets & BV's.

The Fractional should have been at 1/4 ton instead of 1/2 ton to account for all the units that previously had XL's or Clan MG's using that 1/4 ton. 

It would have kept a lot more RS's as valid & still fixed the issue of the .05 accounting that was affecting many vehicles.

I would get the TRO for nostalgia reasons, but the stats you see may have been tweaked in some way or another for 1/2 the units in it.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #7 on: 14 November 2017, 11:37:22 »
BlackJack Jones set up a list of units that were affected by the Ferro-Fibrous rounding change. Here it is.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #8 on: 14 November 2017, 12:25:11 »
There might have been an issue with Artemis IV and missiles mounted in the CT for a few 'Mechs as well.

Plus the Orion got tweaked from it's original stats way back when.
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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #9 on: 14 November 2017, 18:31:40 »
AMS was reworked in TW, so older designs have way more AMS ammo than they need.
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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #10 on: 14 November 2017, 18:40:18 »
If memory serves, some sources had LRM-15's taking 3 crit spaces and others 2 crit spaces.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #11 on: 14 November 2017, 21:37:38 »
There might have been an issue with Artemis IV and missiles mounted in the CT for a few 'Mechs as well.

Plus the Orion got tweaked from it's original stats way back when.

IIRC, that was just the Commando variant in Record Sheets: Upgrades and it was considered invalid before TW came out.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #12 on: 15 November 2017, 12:38:10 »
IIRC, that was just the Commando variant in Record Sheets: Upgrades and it was considered invalid before TW came out.

I thought there was a FWL heavy or assault that did the same thing, but I could be getting old.
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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #13 on: 15 November 2017, 14:42:55 »
It's possible.  FWL is the faction I've paid the least attention to over the years.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #14 on: 03 December 2017, 01:08:44 »
I thought there was a FWL heavy or assault that did the same thing, but I could be getting old.

the Perseus D originally had the Artemis IV module for the CT-mounted SRM-6 in the head.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #15 on: 04 December 2017, 10:43:13 »
the Perseus D originally had the Artemis IV module for the CT-mounted SRM-6 in the head.

Aha! My memory is still working 15-20% of the time.
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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #16 on: 05 December 2017, 03:43:29 »
If I remember right, Artemis IV was allowed to be head mounted if the center torso had a compatible missile launcher and no open slots. It would be in the Battletech Master Rules : Revised Edition -Fasa 1707, page 131. I think the option started to be allowed in the Battletech Compendium rulebook that preceded it.

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Re: Are Tech Readouts from 1992 compatible with Total Warfare?
« Reply #17 on: 05 December 2017, 04:01:44 »
I almost forgot, even though the new edition supersedes the older editions rules wise for the TROs, it's nice having the older books for reference material at the very least. I do so for when I'm building a mini or just want to see the differences between editions. Handy for when the Mech's artwork gets revised ( unseen ) / updated or from different perspectives.