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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #60 on: 23 February 2018, 14:06:53 »
Sort of actually.

There isn't actually a separate AC for Caseless ammunition but if you use Caseless ammunition you can't use any other type of ammunition.

Which basically amounts to the same thing as there being a separate AC for Caseless but you'll never see it as an option in the books or any of the designers.

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #61 on: 23 February 2018, 14:29:27 »
What about LAMs? We know the Stinger was still in production in the original timeline...

My thought is that they're sorta a gray area. Technically lostech, but just common enough to still be considered available.

So I'm not gonna lose any sleep about including them.

Ok. I don't know why, but I was under the impression caseless AC ammo simply allowed a standard AC (granted, I used Light ACs) to double its ammunition count at the risk of exploding the weapon on a 2.  Didn't realize they were actually supposed to be a separate weapon.  Easy enough to just make all the caseless ammo sets standard, then.

As Monbvol says, available to every autocannon, but an autocannon using caseless ammo can't also use other types of ammo.

I believe the intent though is that it's just supposed to limit that one autocannon, so if you have other autocannons, they can fire other types of ammunition types as long as they don't use caseless ammo.

To make matters worse, I don't think that Precision, Flechette or AP AC ammo are actually allowed in this AU. I'm pretty sure they're all E rated.

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #62 on: 23 February 2018, 16:00:56 »
Try this again, and try not to violate either BT or AU norms here...I tried a Centurion with a Mech Turret earlier, not realizing those are for quads...

Some Wolverine-Cs still exist around the Inner Sphere.  The precursor to the more modern Wolverine-R, this one simply sports a Heavy Rifle Cannon (and one less heat sink) in place of the AC/5.  While comparable in damage to the AC/5 even considering it's a rifle, the cannon was replaced because it requires so much space for the ammunition and is hotter than the AC as well.  Still, in the event of a destroyed AC/5, Rifle Cannons are a common replacement when autocannons are in short supply.

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Wolverine WVR-6C
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/C-F-X-X

Weight: 55 tons
BV: 1,142
Cost: 4,766,457 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 5/8/5
Engine: 275
Heat Sinks: 11
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 91
Armor: 152/185
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      8   
Center Torso               18     20   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                13     20   
Right Torso (rear)                 6   
Left Torso                 13     20   
Left Torso (rear)                  6   
Right Arm                   9     16   
Left Arm                    9     16   
Right Leg                  13     16   
Left Leg                   13     16   

Weapons                Loc  Heat 
----------------------------------
SRM 6                   LT    4   
Medium Laser            HD    3   
Rifle (Cannon, Heavy)   RA    4   

Ammo              Loc  Shots 
------------------------------
SRM 6 Ammo         LT     15 
Heavy Rifle Ammo   RT      6 
Heavy Rifle Ammo   RT      6 




Quirks
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Extended Torso Twist<br/>
Improved Communications<br/>
Protected Actuators<br/>
Ubiquitous (Inner Sphere)<br/>
Ubiquitous (Clans)<br/>
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #63 on: 23 February 2018, 16:24:28 »
And a reworked Trebuchet-K.  No fluff on this one, since the Rifle-vs-AC debate was had in the last post.

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Trebuchet TBT-7KR
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/C-F-X-X

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 1,059
Cost: 3,987,500 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Succession Wars

Movement: 5/8
Engine: 250
Heat Sinks: 11
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 83
Armor: 120/169
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               16     22   
Center Torso (rear)                7   
Right Torso                12     11   
Right Torso (rear)                 5   
Left Torso                 12     11   
Left Torso (rear)                  5   
Right Arm                   8     10   
Left Arm                    8     10   
Right Leg                  12     15   
Left Leg                   12     15   

Weapons                Loc  Heat 
----------------------------------
PPC                     RT   10   
Rifle (Cannon, Heavy)   LT    4   
Rocket Launcher 10      RA    3   
Rocket Launcher 10      RA    3   

Ammo              Loc  Shots 
------------------------------
Heavy Rifle Ammo   LT      6 
Heavy Rifle Ammo   LT      6 




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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #64 on: 23 February 2018, 17:38:07 »
OK, dual-MML Wasp LAM:

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Wasp LAM WSP-102
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced      3080+
Standard        - 
Extinct       3085+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-F

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 852
Cost: 2,415,465 C-bills
Source: TRO3085

Movement: 5/8/5
AirMech: 2/3/15/23
Fighter: 5/8
Engine: 150
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 82/105
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     12   
Center Torso (rear)                3   
Right Torso                 7      9   
Right Torso (rear)                 2   
Left Torso                  7      9   
Left Torso (rear)                  2   
Right Arm                   5      6   
Left Arm                    5      6   
Right Leg                   7     12   
Left Leg                    7     12   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   RA    3   
MML 3          RT    2   
MML 3          LT    2   

Ammo            Loc  Shots 
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MML 3 LRM Ammo   LT     40 
MML 3 SRM Ammo   RT     33 
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #65 on: 23 February 2018, 17:49:44 »
Variation on the STG-A10 Stinger LAM, dropping the 11th heat sink and two small lasers to add a second medium laser and an ER Flamer.

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Stinger LAM STG-A11
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced      3090+
Standard        - 
Extinct       3090+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-F-F

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 1,001
Cost: 2,414,653 C-bills
Source: TRO3085

Movement: 6/9/6
AirMech: 2/3/18/27
Fighter: 6/9
Engine: 180
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 80/105
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     12   
Center Torso (rear)                3   
Right Torso                 7      9   
Right Torso (rear)                 3   
Left Torso                  7      9   
Left Torso (rear)                  3   
Right Arm                   5      6   
Left Arm                    5      6   
Right Leg                   7     10   
Left Leg                    7     10   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Small Laser    LA    1   
Small Laser    RA    1   
Medium Laser   RT    3   
ER Flamer      CT    4   
Medium Laser   LT    3   
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #66 on: 23 February 2018, 17:51:54 »
Blazer Phoenix Hawk LAM.  Needs to stagger its fire a bit, but it's a LAM with a headcapper and no ammo:

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Phoenix Hawk LAM PHX-HK3
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level            Era   
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Experimental  2901-3076
Advanced        3077+ 
Standard          -   
Extinct         3085+ 
Tech Rating: D/X-E-F-F

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 1,567
Cost: 4,440,500 C-bills
Source: TRO3085

Movement: 5/8/5
AirMech: 2/3/15/23
Fighter: 5/8
Engine: 250
Heat Sinks: 12
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 83
Armor: 128/169
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      6   
Center Torso               16     23   
Center Torso (rear)                5   
Right Torso                12     18   
Right Torso (rear)                 4   
Left Torso                 12     18   
Left Torso (rear)                  4   
Right Arm                   8     10   
Left Arm                    8     10   
Right Leg                  12     15   
Left Leg                   12     15   

Weapons                       Loc  Heat 
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Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   RT   16   
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #67 on: 23 February 2018, 17:58:43 »
Last Rifle Mech for a while.  Hopefully. 

The HBK-4R.  When the 4G really wants to reach out and nearly headcap someone.

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Hunchback HBK-4R
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/C-F-X-X

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 1,010
Cost: 3,253,375 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 200
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 83
Armor: 160/169
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               16     26   
Center Torso (rear)                5   
Right Torso                12     20   
Right Torso (rear)                 4   
Left Torso                 12     20   
Left Torso (rear)                  4   
Right Arm                   8     16   
Left Arm                    8     16   
Right Leg                  12     20   
Left Leg                   12     20   

Weapons                Loc  Heat 
----------------------------------
Medium Laser            LA    3   
Medium Laser            RA    3   
Small Laser             HD    1   
Rifle (Cannon, Heavy)   RT    4   
Rifle (Cannon, Heavy)   RT    4   

Ammo              Loc  Shots 
------------------------------
Heavy Rifle Ammo   LT      6 
Heavy Rifle Ammo   LT      6 
Heavy Rifle Ammo   LT      6 




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Battle Fists (RA)
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #68 on: 23 February 2018, 18:15:00 »
Dual-Blazer Annihilator:

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Annihilator ANH-1Y
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level            Era   
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Experimental  3028-3076
Advanced      3077-3084
Standard        3085+ 
Tech Rating: D/X-E-E-D

Weight: 100 tons
BV: 1,711
Cost: 7,096,667 C-bills

Movement: 2/3
Engine: 200
Heat Sinks: 45
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 152
Armor: 307/307
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               31     48   
Center Torso (rear)               14   
Right Torso                21     32   
Right Torso (rear)                10   
Left Torso                 21     32   
Left Torso (rear)                 10   
Right Arm                  17     34   
Left Arm                   17     34   
Right Leg                  21     42   
Left Leg                   21     42   

Weapons                       Loc  Heat 
-----------------------------------------
Medium Laser                   LA    3   
Medium Laser                   RA    3   
Medium Laser                   CT    3   
Medium Laser                   CT    3   
Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   LA   16   
Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   RA   16   




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And if you're in the mood for 2/2/0 dual-Blazer hardened armor silliness:

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Annihilator ANH-2Y
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/X-E-E-D

Weight: 100 tons
BV: 1,569
Cost: 6,696,667 C-bills

Movement: 2/3
Engine: 200
Heat Sinks: 30
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 152
Armor: 307/307
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               31     48   
Center Torso (rear)               14   
Right Torso                21     32   
Right Torso (rear)                10   
Left Torso                 21     32   
Left Torso (rear)                 10   
Right Arm                  17     34   
Left Arm                   17     34   
Right Leg                  21     42   
Left Leg                   21     42   

Weapons                       Loc  Heat 
-----------------------------------------
Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   RA   16   
Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon   LA   16   
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #69 on: 23 February 2018, 18:37:16 »
Not as sure on this one, but here's an MML Archer:

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Archer ARC-2Z
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: D/X-X-E-D

Weight: 70 tons
BV: 1,278
Cost: 6,116,373 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Age of War

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 280
Heat Sinks: 14
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 107
Armor: 208/217
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               22     33   
Center Torso (rear)               10   
Right Torso                15     24   
Right Torso (rear)                 6   
Left Torso                 15     24   
Left Torso (rear)                  6   
Right Arm                  11     22   
Left Arm                   11     22   
Right Leg                  15     26   
Left Leg                   15     26   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
MML 7          RT    4   
MML 7          RT    4   
MML 7          LT    4   
MML 7          LT    4   
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   

Ammo            Loc  Shots 
----------------------------
MML 7 LRM Ammo   RT     17 
MML 7 LRM Ammo   LT     17 
MML 7 SRM Ammo   RT     14 
MML 7 SRM Ammo   LT     14 




Quirks
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Battle Fists (RA)<br/>
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Stable<br/>
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #70 on: 23 February 2018, 20:08:19 »
Love those LAMs Gio! O0

On the Annihilator, I applaud the concept, but do the crits actually fit on that first one?  It looks awfully close to my eye...

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #71 on: 23 February 2018, 21:04:39 »
Ok. I don't know why, but I was under the impression caseless AC ammo simply allowed a standard AC (granted, I used Light ACs) to double its ammunition count at the risk of exploding the weapon on a 2.  Didn't realize they were actually supposed to be a separate weapon.  Easy enough to just make all the caseless ammo sets standard, then.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect....here is an example of a Caseless aremed mech


  BattleMech Technical Readout
                       THB Weapons

Type/Model:    Blackjack-Caseless BJ-1
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3025
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          45 tons
Chassis:       GM BJ-I Standard
Power Plant:   180 GM Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     4 Whitworth Jetlift Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor Type:    StarGuard II Standard
Armament:     
  2 Caseless AC/5 (THB)s
Manufacturer:  General Motors
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  Dalban Micronics
Targeting & Tracking System:  Dalban AQ

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Type/Model:    Blackjack-Caseless BJ-1
Mass:          45 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  75 pts Standard               0      4.50
Engine:        180 Fusion                    6      7.00
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   4
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    3       .00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 1 LT, 2 RT)
Gyro:                                        4      2.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA    R: Sh+UA             12       .00
Armor Factor:  120 pts Standard              0      7.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          8     
   Center Torso:             14         16     
   Center Torso (Rear):                  6     
   L/R Side Torso:           11      13/13     
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              4/4     
   L/R Arm:                   7      11/11     
   L/R Leg:                  11      17/17     

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
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1 Caseless AC/5 (THB)    RA      1   90      7     11.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)
1 Caseless AC/5 (THB)    LA      1           4      8.00
4 Standard Jump Jets:                        4      2.00
 (Jump Jet Loc: 2 LL, 2 RL)
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TOTALS:                          2          45     45.00
Crits & Tons Left:                          33       .00
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #72 on: 23 February 2018, 21:06:16 »
That's the tactical handbook version. It's been revised a bit since being added to Tactical operations.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #73 on: 23 February 2018, 21:25:49 »
You could, however, have Light ACs that are dedicated to caseless ammo, yes?  Since Lights can use the same ammo standard ACs can use? 

So it's a matter of whether you want shot count or flak/tracer/what-have-you.

Oh, and I dub the BJ-1DCC the Flakjack.
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #74 on: 23 February 2018, 22:26:21 »
Love those LAMs Gio! O0

On the Annihilator, I applaud the concept, but do the crits actually fit on that first one?  It looks awfully close to my eye...

As long as you forego lower arm actuators, which means you can flip arms, then, yes, yes it does.  >:D
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #75 on: 23 February 2018, 23:26:26 »
Sweet!  Keep the Blazer designs coming! O0

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #76 on: 24 February 2018, 00:41:31 »
Now for the undisputed King and Champion of Bad IdeasTM I present what I have decided to dub as the Oh YEAAAAHHH!!! Charger.  It'll either snap you like a Slim Jim or bust through a wall or die trying.  Either way if you don't hear Machoman Randy Savage or the Cool Aid man in your head as you're chasing after someone you're not doing it right.

Charger CGR-01Y
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level            Era   
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Experimental  2665-3072
Advanced        3073+ 
Standard          -   
Tech Rating: D/F-F-F-D

Weight: 80 tons
BV: 835
Cost: 14,576,640 C-bills

Movement: 5/8(10)
Engine: 400
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122
Armor: 112/247
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               25     12   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                17     12   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 17     12   
Left Torso (rear)                  7   
Right Arm                  13     11   
Left Arm                   13     11   
Right Leg                  17     11   
Left Leg                   17     11   


Equipment     Loc 
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Supercharger   CT 

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #77 on: 24 February 2018, 01:20:47 »
Part of me still wants a small laser derringer in the right hand, but, damn if that's not funny.
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #78 on: 24 February 2018, 01:23:20 »
Part of me still wants a small laser derringer in the right hand, but, damn if that's not funny.

Handheld weapon?  ;D
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #79 on: 24 February 2018, 02:37:41 »
My only regret is not fitting it with TSM.

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #80 on: 24 February 2018, 08:33:24 »
Hmm... wouldn't Industrial TSM count as "Industrial Equipment"?  O:-)

Slightly more seriously, a handheld RL-10 Derringer could do some serious damage on an 80 ton mech...  >:D

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #81 on: 24 February 2018, 09:57:00 »
Adding the LACs in is brilliant, Liam.  Dropping LAC/2s in for AC/5s makes a LOT of 3025 mechs much better (and removes the minimum range!).  For example:
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LAC MAD MAD-3LA

Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 6,597,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,387

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  PPCs
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  Light AC/2
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     114 points                7.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                300                      19.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             20                       10.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 184                 11.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     23           25       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     16           23       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     12           20       
                                             L/R Leg     16           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Light AC/2                                   RT        1         1         4.00
PPC                                          RA        10        3         7.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
PPC                                          LA        10        3         7.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
@Light AC/2 (45)                             RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 31

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 14
4          3       3       2       0      3     1   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #82 on: 24 February 2018, 14:26:11 »
That's the tactical handbook version. It's been revised a bit since being added to Tactical operations.

what rules have changed?  Haven't seen any errata on this
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #83 on: 24 February 2018, 15:02:48 »
what rules have changed?  Haven't seen any errata on this

Caseless has become a ammo type.
From pg 106 of the BattleMech Manual:
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Game Rules: On an attack roll result of 2, the ammo feed breaks
down: the weapon is useless for the rest of the scenario. In addition,
the shot automatically misses and the controlling player must
immediately roll once on the Determining Critical Hits Table (see
p. 46), applying all critical hits to the affected autocannon (starting
with the uppermost undamaged slot). This is not an ammunition
explosion, and MechWarrior damage does not occur as a result.
A weapon using caseless ammo can use no other special
munition types.
Ammunition Multiplier: x2
Technology Base: Clan or Inner Sphere
Usable By: AC, LAC

Does that clear things up?

EDIT: Though I think the writers forgot to add the PAC to the usable list...
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #84 on: 24 February 2018, 15:05:57 »
Thank you!  It does!
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #85 on: 24 February 2018, 15:20:08 »
For laughs, a retrotech Awesome.  ;D Not terrible if you don't mind getting everywhere slowly.


Awesome AWS-7Q
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced      3071+
Standard        - 
Extinct       3071+
Tech Rating: D/D-X-X-F

Weight: 80 tons
BV: 1,235
Cost: 5,513,670 C-bills

Movement: 2/3
Engine: 195
Heat Sinks: 28
Cockpit: Primitive Cockpit
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 122
Armor: 187/247 (Primitive)
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               25     29   
Center Torso (rear)                9   
Right Torso                17     20   
Right Torso (rear)                 6   
Left Torso                 17     20   
Left Torso (rear)                  6   
Right Arm                  13     22   
Left Arm                   13     22   
Right Leg                  17     22   
Left Leg                   17     22   

Weapons      Loc  Heat 
------------------------
PPC           RA   10   
PPC           RT   10   
PPC           LT   10   
Small Laser   HD    1   
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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #86 on: 24 February 2018, 16:17:45 »
How's about an introtech version of the Daikyu.  Direct-fire fire support.

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Daikyu DAI-P1
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3145+
Tech Rating: E/X-X-F-D

Weight: 70 tons
BV: 1,219
Cost: 6,199,673 C-bills
Source: TRO 3055 - Clan Invasion

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 280
Heat Sinks: 13
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 107
Armor: 192/217
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               22     27   
Center Torso (rear)               10   
Right Torso                15     20   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 15     20   
Left Torso (rear)                  8   
Right Arm                  11     19   
Left Arm                   11     19   
Right Leg                  15     26   
Left Leg                   15     26   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   LT    3   
PPC            LA   10   
Light AC/2     RA    1   
Light AC/2     RA    1   
Light AC/2     RA    1   
MML 5          LT    3   

Ammo                 Loc  Shots 
---------------------------------
Caseless LAC/2 Ammo   RT     90 
MML 5 LRM Ammo        LT     24 
MML 5 SRM Ammo        LT     20 




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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #87 on: 24 February 2018, 16:46:21 »
In an effort to solve the Javelin's problems of top-heaviness, Capellan engineers removed one SRM pack and replaced the holes with 6 lasers - 2 medium, 4 small.  They also went with the lighter commercial armor, which allowed them to insert a supercharger. 

While none of these changes solved the problem of the unbalanced Javelin, the resulting JVN-10C was still considered useful enough to see a fair number of them converted as such.

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Javelin JVN-10C
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced      3145+
Standard        - 
Tech Rating: D/F-F-F-D

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 707
Cost: 4,723,940 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League

Movement: 6/9(12)/6
Engine: 180
BAR Rating : 5
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 72/105 Commercial
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      8   
Center Torso               10     10   
Center Torso (rear)                2   
Right Torso                 7      8   
Right Torso (rear)                 2   
Left Torso                  7      8   
Left Torso (rear)                  2   
Right Arm                   5      6   
Left Arm                    5      6   
Right Leg                   7     10   
Left Leg                    7     10   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   LT    3   
Medium Laser   LT    3   
Small Laser    LT    1   
Small Laser    LT    1   
Small Laser    LT    1   
Small Laser    LT    1   
SRM 6          RT    4   

Ammo        Loc  Shots 
------------------------
SRM 6 Ammo   RT     15 

Equipment     Loc 
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Supercharger   CT 



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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #88 on: 24 February 2018, 18:02:30 »
How about this for the Rifleman?

Drop the engine to a 180 fusion (walk MPs: 3, run MPs: 5)
Drop all weapons but one large laser; move it to the CT.
Add 2 Light AC/5's to each arm (4 total). Add 3 tons of LAC ammo to each side torso (I believe flak ammo should still be able to be used, so at least one ton in each side would be for that...my preferred mix for the rest would be 1 ton each of standard and AP, but AP isn't allowed in this AU).
Use the remaining tonnage to upgrade the armor to 11 tons, so 20 points per armor and front side torso, upgrade the legs to 17 points each, 30 in the front CT, each rear torso gets 8 points and finally, add 2 points to the head for 8 points total.

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Re: Design Challenge, mechs for a rebooted succession war
« Reply #89 on: 24 February 2018, 18:03:50 »
On the Daikyu, instead of ceaseless ammo, what about either dropping the medium laser or swapping the PPC for a large laser, and adding in a ton of flak ammo. Suddenly, you have a wicked anti-air platform.

On the Javelin, I find myself wanting an MML.
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