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Author Topic: Armored Fighting Vehicles version M4 - are we going with that? Sure, man.  (Read 81176 times)

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Tank puns are best puns.  And starting this off with...a 37mm BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPmonster!

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Can I join the pun too?

ANS Kamas P81

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Sure everyone knows about these, but maybe not, and they're pretty interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBAEOsdxIbLPFEomzphaZQ0A5Vujkpjd8

David Fletcher's Tank Chats; I've taken to listening to them from time to time while doing other stuff.  They're short, curiously personal, and really informative as to the kinds of tanks he covers - and he's gone everywhere from the Mark I to modern day.  Fascinating watching.

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Tank puns are best puns.  And starting this off with...a 37mm BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPmonster!
What the heck is that?

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Can I join the pun too?

Is that a movie prop or something?
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You guys do know M4 is.... THE SHERMAN!
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here are some other mark 4s...


the Grandaddy - the British Mark IV (male)
the German WW2 Panzer IV - so cool it didn't get a fun big-cat nickname
the Israeli Merkava Mk 4
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What the heck is that?

The T249 Vigilante. Proposed replacement for the M42 Duster.
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Found it doing a search for tanks and thought it would be good for an assault on *something*.

Is that a movie prop or something?

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Like they said, it's a replacement prototype for the M-42 Duster, and probably the last major gun-based AA system.  Everything gunwise since has been pretty close range, operating under an umbrella of missile fire instead of being the primary defense system.  Not to knock things like the M163 VADS but it's a low-and-slow killer, rather than a general all-purpose AA unit.

As for the T249, well, let's just say that the M247 Sergeant York beat it.  And you know what a wonderful platform THAT was.  Still, there's something that brings a tear to the eye when you say "37x219mm at 3000rpm" but maybe that's just me.

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As for the T249, well, let's just say that the M247 Sergeant York beat it.  And you know what a wonderful platform THAT was.

No, I don't. Nobody does. Because it was trash garbage. ;D
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No, I don't. Nobody does. Because it was trash garbage. ;D

Now, now.  That's uncalled for.  it's rude to insult garbage by comparing it to the Sgt. York system.
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Now, now.  That's uncalled for.  it's rude to insult garbage by comparing it to the Sgt. York system.
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A dumpster fire, covered in bees.
That it's still trying to shoot down.

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Tank puns are best puns.  And starting this off with...a 37mm BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPmonster!
very neat looking
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Been away for a bit, so in reply to Matti from the last thread. Where I was talking about the IPM1's. For a short time between the M1 and the M1A1 they had the Improved Product M1. Kind of a M1A1 hull with a M1 turret. It still had the 105mm main gun, but lots of other systems were upgraded. Not every unit went from M1 - IPM1 - M1A1.

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Sure everyone knows about these, but maybe not, and they're pretty interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBAEOsdxIbLPFEomzphaZQ0A5Vujkpjd8

David Fletcher's Tank Chats; I've taken to listening to them from time to time while doing other stuff.  They're short, curiously personal, and really informative as to the kinds of tanks he covers - and he's gone everywhere from the Mark I to modern day.  Fascinating watching.
I have watched more Nicholas Moran "The Chieftain". But Mr. Fletcher's comment about British Army's decision regarding Vickers E is great ;D
Seriously though, Vickers E was good enough for about half of the Europe (including Finland, Poland, and Soviet Union), but it wasn't good enough for British Army ::)
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You mean this Vickers E

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Mr Fletcher is amazing :)
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Not every unit went from M1 - IPM1 - M1A1.
The game Team Yankee has done quite unnecessarily.

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The game Team Yankee has done quite unnecessarily.

Team Yankee (assuming we're talking about the fairly recent miniature wargame) has made some baffling design and release decisions, and it's kept me from getting into the game.
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Since it's AFV related and popular right now, why's that Bosch?



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Since it's AFV related and popular right now, why's that Bosch?

Because they chose a very specific year to set it in. I understand that this is for game balance, because it's the last time Western and Soviet equipment was anything near at parity, but it means that every force feels nearly identical. It's just not what I want out of a NATO vs. ComBlok game; I'd rather see more disparity in forces.
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Because they chose a very specific year to set it in. I understand that this is for game balance, because it's the last time Western and Soviet equipment was anything near at parity, but it means that every force feels nearly identical. It's just not what I want out of a NATO vs. ComBlok game; I'd rather see more disparity in forces.
Welp, after the first US box set I went in on their USMC line-up. There is one faction on the Eastern European side that is pretty much T-55s and pretty expensive to purpose a playable force let alone a competitive one. So disparity of sorts.

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If you want to play a war game with force disparity, how about anything that includes USA against Afghanistan, Russia against Chechnya, Saudi-Arabia against Yemen, or Soviet Union against Finland?
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The other proble with Team Yankee is unit density on play area.



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Do they have to have someone run over and light the fuse hanging out of the barrel to shoot the gun?

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If you want to play a war game with force disparity, how about anything that includes USA against Afghanistan, Russia against Chechnya, Saudi-Arabia against Yemen, or Soviet Union against Finland?

*sighs* No, that isn't what I want. What do any of those conflicts have to do with me wanting more variety in my World War III wargames?
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