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Glider/LAM protomech designs
« on: 02 May 2018, 13:20:31 »
I know that there aren't any canon Glider/LAM protomech units apart from the Svartalfa (which is somewhat subpar, IMO). Several references to Glider/LAM protomechs in WoR and Interstellar Operations makes me feel like there should be more out there, in use by the Ravens or the "former" Society. 

Glider/LAM protomechs are very fragile (especially in an age with HAGs everywhere), and it seems to me that they should be built to be much faster to jack up their TMM and are therefore best used as scouts or harassers either on the edge of battle or behind enemy lines where there are few defenses against them at all.

What seems like the best weapon system to go for?

LB-2X - I know it's been done before with the Minotaur 2, but being a glider might actually give it the LOS to use LBX effectively
4-5x Streak 1 tubes (sort of an LBX cluster shot without the -1TH)
4-5x Streak 2 tubes (an ER-SRM of sorts)
3-4x SPLs (strafing would be fun but would probably be suicidal)

Ideal speed would need to be at least 7/11, if not more. You can probably get away with 40pts of armor and invest the rest into speed.

Thoughts?
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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #1 on: 03 May 2018, 15:48:50 »
I'd probable run with a PAC/2, some Streak-1's and at least one SPL for kicks.

Gives me a hole puncher at range and some Streak love for the win!

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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #2 on: 03 May 2018, 16:21:46 »

What about a WIGE variant of the Hippogriff?
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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #3 on: 03 May 2018, 16:33:40 »
I'd probable run with a PAC/2, some Streak-1's and at least one SPL for kicks.

Gives me a hole puncher at range and some Streak love for the win!

While that definitely smacks of "delicious non-optimized FASA flavor," I'm still inclined to say "hmmmm...."

The PAC2 has a range of 20 and with 20 rounds (so you can use Precision ammo and have 10 shots), weighs in at 4 tons. This puts our Proto into LPL range.

Whereas a LRM2 with 12 shots is about 600kg and a Streak LRM2 is 1000kg. Sure, they don't get the -2 from the Precision rounds, but I'm not sure if it's worth 3 tons for that.

I guess on the other hand, we want our LAM Proto to do enough damage to be annoying but be hard enough to hit to get away with it.
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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #4 on: 03 May 2018, 16:34:34 »
What about a WIGE variant of the Hippogriff?

Can't do that, Gliders have to be Ultraheavy :/

Although what I have in mind is basically an Ultraheavy Hippogriff :D
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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #5 on: 01 July 2019, 08:39:35 »
Preface; I've been away from BT for the last decade and I've only recently returned to the Universe due to a TT-RPG game that I'm running that "decided" to become a BT game from a generic one-shot (and throw-away, as in the game started in a random cafe at midday over literary / creative discussion) bodge. So my thinking is decidedly non-BT and very much real world.

Wouldn't a design with a single integrated main weapon (a limited shot heavy hitter), an integrated "side-arm" (A light laser of some kind) and a modular backpack be a better... or at least more optimal choice?
That way, the Protomech star can drop using disposable glider packs while still retaining basic combat capability, dump them when they get on the ground and replace their packs with (heavy or specialist) weapon packs on the ground.
Not the best approach for immediate action, and probably not one the Clans would take but the flexibility and the lethality would be off the charts if/when used correctly.

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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #6 on: 01 July 2019, 11:05:54 »
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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #7 on: 02 July 2019, 09:08:20 »
We have that.... it's called disposable parachute from combat drops.

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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #8 on: 26 July 2019, 10:28:36 »
Here's one I made a while back.

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Typhon

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 13 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Glider
Battle Value: XXX

Chassis: Proto Glider 2
Power Plant: 170 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 10 km/h, 108 km/h Gliding
Maximum Speed: 10 km/h, 162 km/h Gliding
Armor: UltraProto Standard
Armament:
    3 Micro Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: Clan Cloud Cobra
    Primary Factory: Roche
Communications System: PM-AV
Targeting and Tracking System: Harridon HJ Tracker

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      29 points               1300 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 170                     6000 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 10
    WiGE Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             3    750 kg                   
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   54                2700 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           25       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          5/5         
                                                Legs     7            12   

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Micro Pulse Laser    T1          1         3        500 kg
Micro Pulse Laser    T2          1         3        500 kg
Micro Pulse Laser    T3          1         3        500 kg

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Typhon 2

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 13 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      29 points               1300 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 170                     4500 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 8
    WiGE Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              3    750 kg                   
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   54                2700 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           25       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          5/5         
                                                Legs     7            12   

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Improved Heavy Small Laser    T1          -         1        500 kg
SRM-4    T2          0         3       1000 kg
SRM-4    T3          0         3       1000 kg
SRM-4 Ammo (12)    Torso       -         -        480 kg

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Typhon 3

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 13 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      31 points               1300 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 170                     4500 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 8
    WiGE Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink              0      0 kg                   
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   62                3100 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           25       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          6/6         
                                                Legs     7            12
    Main Gun 2       6

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Recon Camera                    MG          -         -        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun Array    T3        -         -        250 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*    T1          0         3        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*    T2          0         3        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*    LA          0         3        500 kg
Heavy Machine Gun*    RA          0         3        500 kg
HMG Ammo (60)    Torso       -         -        600 kg
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Re: Glider/LAM protomech designs
« Reply #9 on: 26 July 2019, 10:34:00 »
And two more from the same thread.

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Kadlu

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 12 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      29 points               1200 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 85                      2500 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 6
    WiGE Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                    
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   49                2450 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           15       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          6/6         
                                                Legs     7            10
    Main Gun     2            5

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Angel ECM    T1          -         -       2000 kg
Active Probe    T2          -         -       1000 kg
Remote Sensor Dispensor    T3          -         -        500 kg
LRM-5    MG          0         1-5     1000 kg
LRM-5 Ammo (15)    Torso       -         -        625 kg

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Kadlu 2

Type: ProtoMech
Mass: 12 tons
Chassis Config: Biped Glider

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      29 points               1200 kg
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 85                      2500 kg
    Walking MP: 1
    Running MP: 1
    WiGE Cruise MP: 6
    WiGE Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1    250 kg                    
Cockpit:            Standard                                               750 kg
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -   51                2450 kg

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            7         
                                               Torso     13           15       
                                             L/R Arm     3/3          6/6         
                                                Legs     7            11
    Main Gun     2            6

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Damage     Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite    T1          -         -       1000 kg
Light TAG    T2          -         -        500 kg
ER Micro Laser    RA        1         2        250 kg
Narc Launcher    MG          0         0       2000 kg
Narc Ammo (6)    Torso       -         -        900 kg
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