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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #30 on: 16 May 2018, 18:09:23 »
Nightlord class Battleship (Snow Raven variant)

When initially designed the Nightlord class was built to be a one ship invasion force, carrying enough Mechs and Elementals to overwhelm all but the most massively defended of worlds.  She also had a varied armament that allowed her to fight her way into orbit and bulldoze through the usually lighter defences placed over a world as well as, if needed, conduct precision orbital bombardments.   Whilst most Clans were happy with the designs, the Raven’s CSR Snow Raven was altered during construction to be what some called the Nightlord II. 
The Raven’s simply didn’t see the need to carry such a huge landing force and there were some jokes that there wasn’t enough Elementals to fill out the ships berths in the entire Tourman.  They liked the basic hull, its heavy armour and all-round firepower, but it wasn’t a battleship in the eyes of the Ravens, more a huge assault ship, and they already had seven of those with the Potemkin class ships they possessed.  What would emerge from the yards at Lum was superficially similar to a Nightlord class vessel but was far more capable as an anti-shipping weapon than as a planetary assault vessel.

The original weapons package was stripped out, the polyglot mixture of weapons never sitting easy with the Ravens.  Instead the ship was to be armed with a mixture of lasers, particle cannons, autocannons and naval gauss rifles in a layout that was clearly influenced by the Thebes class cruisers. 
The huge Mech and Elemental capacity was greatly reduced to a pair of Trinaries of each (30 Mechs, 75 Elementals, and another 25 Elementals/Marines for onboard security.)  Whilst the fighter compliment was instead doubled to 40 craft with another smaller hangar capable of taking up to 10 small craft.  The now usual mix of point defences was handled by a mixture of large and small autocannons and lasers, ER and pulse, making her exceptionally dangerous to approach for fighters.  As she was a battleship the sensor suite was tied into a small NCSS to allow for greater fleet coordination as well as a HPG for long range communications. 

This resulted in a more rounded and capable WarShip that still offered some of the flexibility of the Nightlord as an assault platform.  But, with their smaller Tourman, this capacity was rarely used aboard the CSR Snow Raven and instead the Mechbay’s were often used as additional training areas or storage areas for additional cargo when not in use.

Of the eight Nightlords completed and in service at the time of REVIVAL, four were Nightlord II’s and the class was well regarded by Commanders and crew alike.


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Class/Model/Name: Nightlord Class Battleship (Snow Raven variant)

Tech: Clan
Ship Cost: $24,457,927,360.00
Magazine Cost: $40,706,000.00
BV2: 121,843

Mass: 1,200,000
K-F Drive System: Compact with L-F Battery
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive

Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5

Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide
Armament:
6 Naval Gauss Rifle Medium
12 Naval AC 20
16 Naval PPC Medium
10 Naval PPC Light
26 Naval Laser 45
8 AC 20 Ultra (C)
6 AC 5 LB-X (C)
8 AC 5 Ultra (C)
12 Laser Large Pulse (C)
26 Laser Large ER (C)
6 Laser Medium Pulse (C)
28 Laser Medium ER (C)
48 AMS (C)

Class/Model/Name: Nightlord Class Battleship (Snow Raven variant)
Mass: 1,200,000

Equipment: Mass
Drive: 216,000.00
Thrust
Safe: 3
Maximum: 5
Controls: 3,000.00
K-F Hyperdrive: Compact with L-F Battery (25 Integrity) 555,000.00
Jump Sail: (6 Integrity) 90.00
Structural Integrity: 85 102,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3902(7804) Double 3,200.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 7500 points 3,060.00
Fire Control Computers: 761.55

Armor: 1925 pts Lamellor Ferro-Carbide 1,750.00
Fore: 355
Fore-Left/Right: 325/325
Aft-Left/Right: 315/315
Aft: 290

Dropship Capacity: 4 4,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 2 (140 meter) 100.00

Escape Pods: 80 560.00
Life Boats: 80 560.00

Crew And Passengers:

65 Officers in Steerage Quarters 325.00
220 Crew in Steerage Quarters 1,100.00
102 Gunners and Others in Steerage Quarters 510.00
280 Bay Personnel
25 Elementals/Marines 125.00

# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass
2 Naval Gauss Rifle Medium Nose 30 500 (50-C) Extreme-C 11,000.00
6 Naval Laser 45 Nose 420 270 (27-C) 5,400.00
6 Laser Large ER (C) Nose 72 60 (6-C) 24.00
6 Laser Medium Pulse (C) Nose 24 36 (3.6-C) 12.00
6 AMS (C) Nose 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

3 Naval AC 20 FL 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
5 Naval PPC Medium FL 675 450 (45-C) 9,000.00
4 AC 5 Ultra (C) FL 8 28 (2.8-C) 28.00
6 Laser Medium ER (C) FL 30 42 (4.2-C) 6.00
6 AMS (C) FL 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

3 Naval AC 20 FR 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
5 Naval PPC Medium FR 675 450 (45-C) 9,000.00
4 AC 5 Ultra (C) FR 8 28 (2.8-C) 28.00
6 Laser Medium ER (C) FR 30 42 (4.2-C) 6.00
6 AMS (C) FR 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

2 Naval Gauss Rifle Medium LBS 30 500 (50-C) 11,000.00
5 Naval Laser 45 LBS 350 225 (22.5-C) 4,500.00
5 Naval Laser 45 LBS 350 225 (22.5-C) 4,500.00
4 AC 20 Ultra (C) LBS 56 120 (12-C) 48.00
6 Laser Large ER (C) LBS 72 60 (6-C) 24.00
6 AMS (C) LBS 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

2 Naval Gauss Rifle Medium RBS 30 500 (50-C) 11,000.00
5 Naval Laser 45 RBS 350 225 (22.5-C) 4,500.00
5 Naval Laser 45 RBS 350 225 (22.5-C) 4,500.00
4 AC 20 Ultra (C) RBS 56 120 (12-C) 48.00
6 Laser Large ER (C) RBS 72 60 (6-C) 24.00
6 AMS (C) RBS 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

3 Naval AC 20 AL 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
5 Naval PPC Light AL 525 350 (35-C) 7,000.00
6 Laser Large Pulse (C) AL 60 60 (6-C) 36.00
8 Laser Medium ER (C) AL 40 56 (5.6-C) 8.00
6 AMS (C) AL 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

3 Naval AC 20 AR 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
5 Naval PPC Light AR 525 350 (35-C) 7,000.00
6 Laser Large Pulse (C) AR 60 60 (6-C) 36.00
8 Laser Medium ER (C) AR 40 56 (5.6-C) 8.00
6 AMS (C) AR 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00

6 Naval PPC Medium Aft 810 540 (54-C) 10,800.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Aft 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Aft 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
6 AC 5 LB-X (C) Aft 6 18 (1.8-C) 42.00
6 AMS (C) Aft 6 18 (1.8-C) 3.00


Aerospace Complement

40 x Omnifighters (8 bay doors)
10 x Small Craf (2 bay doors)
4 x DropShip docking collars

Cargo Capacity

164,539 tons

Additional Equipment/Cargo

30 x Battlemechs
75 x Elementals

Small NCSS
Mobile HPG

Ammunition

Type Rounds quantity

Naval Gauss Rifle Medium Ammo 450
Naval AC 20 Ammo 540
AC 5 Ultra (C) Ammo 480
AC 20 Ultra (C) Ammo 540
AC 5 LB-X (C) Ammo 360
AMS (C) Ammo 4608




And as always, comments, thoughts, questions or criticism are most welcome :)
« Last Edit: 16 May 2018, 18:12:13 by marauder648 »
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #31 on: 16 May 2018, 23:48:21 »
Where did these ships images come from, are they from an updated TRO?

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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #32 on: 16 May 2018, 23:55:15 »
Where did these ships images come from, are they from an updated TRO?

Not a TRO, but a fluff book that I did along with some designs from Maingunnery

https://www.dropbox.com/s/agcsqiyw28xsgg6/Delranes%20Fighting%20Ships%203061%281%29.pdf?dl=0

Please feel free to have a look and let me know what you think :)
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #33 on: 17 May 2018, 02:00:44 »
I like it never sat right calling the nightlord a battleship. She was more an anphib in my mind too but that's what happens when mech jocks design starships.
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #34 on: 17 May 2018, 02:11:36 »
Oh totally agree she was basically a Tarawa class ship :)
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #35 on: 19 May 2018, 11:20:34 »
NCS True Vision Congress Class Frigate FRAM II refit

As one of the largest users of the Congress Class and with one of the class serving as their Clan’s flagship, it was only to be expected that Clan Nova Cat would modernise and upgrade their Flagship to a FRAM II standard.  The other Congresses in Nova Cat service didn’t see quite so extensive a refit but it still increased their firepower and is somewhat joking called a FRAM 1.5 refit. 

Whilst the original Congress was built to explore and patrol the vast tracts of the Star League, escorting convoys or carrying out months long anti-pirate patrols, the Clans found little use in the classes formidable endurance or advanced sensor array.  Despite this, the class soldiered on but with REVIVAL on the Horizon and other Clans upgrading their WarShips, the Nova Cats had to do the same lest they be at a disadvantage.

The NCS True Vision was singled out for special attention after having been the Clan Nova Cats Flag Ship for over a century despite her not being the largest or most capable of the Clan’s vessels.   But as one of the vessels favoured by Sandra Rosse the ships history made her the only logical choice for the superstitious and mystical Nova Cats to serve as flagship.

The refit carried out at Barcella Naval Yard Alpha was both extensive and expensive, the hull was stripped with her armour package removed and replaced with nearly 500 tons of Lamellor Ferro-Carbide armour.  This allowed for the interior to be reorganized with the ships passage ways to allow the passage of Elementals as well as allowing for additional strongpoints to be fitted to protect against boarders.  Additional quarters were also installed for not only 25 Marines but up to 50 senior officers including the Khan and his or her staff.  The additional tonnage of armour also increased the frigates protection, giving her protection above that on the larger Sovetskii Soyuz class cruisers.

The cargo bays were rearranged with over 45,000 tons of cargo space sacrificed to increase the True Vision’s firepower.  This only slightly decreased her cruising capacity and the fuel tanks were increased to 4,000 tons of metallic hydrogen slush, allowing her to sustain a burn with her engines for a considerably longer time.
The already advanced and capable sensor suite was tied into a NCSS suite to allow the True Vision to direct and coordinate friendly forces within a solar system.  The aerospace group was doubled with room for a Binary of Omnifighters to be carried onboard (20) in addition to the two DropShip docking collars.

The weapons fit was also heavily augmented, the Congress class as built was more than capable of handling Pirate craft or House WarShips but was found to be lacking against better armed opponents and was outclassed by the M5 CASPAR Drones and in Clan space the large Frigate often found herself outgunned and relegated to a more supporting role, which was felt to be a waste of a  760,000 ton WarShip.

The refit carried out to the NCS True Vision most certinally gave her teeth.  The bow missile launcher was replaced with a trio of AR-10 launch units, each with 20 of each missile type as ammunition.  The ships broadside weapons were also removed, replaced or upgraded, the dual autocannon mounts in the ships forward quarters became a quadruple mount.  The forward and aft quarters also recived a pair of Barracuda missile launchers for long range anti-fighter or DropShip engagements.  The light autocannons on the broadside arcs were replaced with a trio of heavier weapons, giving the ship a far greater punch and for long range engagements a quartet of medium naval particle cannons were also installed.  The aft quarters also featured a quartet of PPCs and a quartet of light autocannons fired directly astern.  An extensive battery of the Nova Cats preferred weapons, ER lasers and PPCs provided the main anti-fighter punch whilst an array of AMS mountings covered every angle. 

With her Binary of fighters the True Vision was far more resilient against fighter strikes, often the bane of a WarShip and her anti-fighter armament was heavy enough to discourge fighters from pushing too close. 

The refit was seen as a huge success but its cost meant that it was unique, no other Clan would copy the refit and limited themselves to comparatively minor upgrades and updates, rather than the near complete rebuild required to match the True Vision’s performance and firepower.


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Class/Model/Name: Congress Class Frigate FRAM II refit
Tech: Clan
Ship Cost: $15,298,783,680.00
Magazine Cost: $14,440,000.00
BV2: 59,586

Mass: 760,000
K-F Drive System: Compact with L-F Battery
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide

Armament:

3 Capital Launcher AR-10
8 Capital Launcher Barracuda
6 Naval AC 20
12 Naval AC 10
16 Naval PPC Medium
20 Laser Large ER (C)
24 PPC ER (C)
24 Laser Medium ER (C)
8 Laser Large Pulse (C)
24 AMS (C)

Class/Model/Name: Congress Class Frigate FRAM II refit
Mass: 760,000

Equipment: Mass
Drive: 136,800.00
Thrust

Safe: 3
Maximum: 5

Controls: 1,900.00
K-F Hyperdrive: Compact with L-F Battery (17 Integrity) 351,500.00
Jump Sail: (5 Integrity) 68.00
Structural Integrity: 75 57,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 2418(4836) Double 1,850.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 10000 points 4,080.00
Fire Control Computers: 0.00

Armor: 545 pts Lamellor Ferro-Carbide 495.00
Fore: 90
Fore-Left/Right: 94/94
Aft-Left/Right: 94/94
Aft: 79

Dropship Capacity: 2 2,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 1 (100 meter) 50.00

Escape Pods: 38 266.00
Life Boats: 38 266.00

Crew And Passengers:
45 Officers in Steerage Quarters 225.00
152 Crew in Steerage Quarters 760.00
70 Gunners and Others in Steerage Quarters 350.00
65 Bay Personnel
50 1st Class Passengers 500.00

25 Steerage Passengers 125.00


# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass
3 Capital Launcher AR-10 Nose Extreme-C 750.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Nose 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 PPC ER (C) Nose 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) Nose 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 FL 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda FL 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
4 PPC ER (C) FL 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
8 Laser Medium ER (C) FL 40 56 (5.6-C) 8.00
3 AMS (C) FL 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 FR 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda FR 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
4 PPC ER (C) FR 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
8 Laser Medium ER (C) FR 40 56 (5.6-C) 8.00
3 AMS (C) FR 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

3 Naval AC 20 LBS 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 Naval PPC Medium LBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) LBS 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 PPC ER (C) LBS 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) LBS 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

3 Naval AC 20 RBS 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 Naval PPC Medium RBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) RBS 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 PPC ER (C) RBS 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) RBS 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval PPC Medium AL 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda AL 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) AL 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 Laser Large Pulse (C) AL 40 40 (4-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) AL 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval PPC Medium AR 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda AR 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) AR 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 Laser Large Pulse (C) AR 40 40 (4-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) AR 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 Aft 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
4 PPC ER (C) Aft 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
8 Laser Medium ER (C) Aft 40 56 (5.6-C) 8.00
3 AMS (C) Aft 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

Ammo Type Quantity

Capital Launcher White Shark Ammo 60 rounds
Capital Launcher Barracuda Ammo 220 rounds
Capital Launcher Killer Whale Ammo 60 rounds
Naval AC 10 Ammo 600 rounds
Naval AC 20 Ammo 300 rounds
AMS (C) Ammo 1728 rounds



And as always, thoughts and comments are most welcome :)
« Last Edit: 19 May 2018, 13:52:40 by marauder648 »
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #36 on: 20 May 2018, 05:40:55 »
Congress Class Frigate FRAM I refit

The more widespread (but not overly common) refit and modernization of the Congress Class, the FRAM 1 was far more modest a refit than the huge overhaul the Nova Cats did for their flagship.  Armour is slightly increased along the broadside arcs at a very minor cost in nose and stern protection but the main focus was on firepower.

An additional launcher for a Killer Whale missile was fitted in the bow, the newer, more streamlined missile replacing the huge and bulky SLDF era design saved space if not weight.  The fore and aft quarters autocannons were altered into quadruple mounts whilst the old heavy autocannons were removed.  Paired VLS cells for Barracuda’s were installed in the fore and aft quarters for additional long-range firepower.  But the ships main ranged punch came with its broadside weapons.  The autocannons and missiles were removed, and in their place a quartet of light and medium particle cannons gave the ship its main ranged firepower.  Anti-fighter and DropShip firepower was augmented at short range with a mixed battery of lasers, particle cannons, missile launchers and autocannons, whilst a layered AMS covered every quadrant.

The frigates fighter compliment was also doubled, allowing her to carry a Binary of OmniFighters (20) as well as five small craft.  A full Star of Elementals could be carried (25) for shipboard security or boarding actions of their own.  All this came at a cost of cargo capacity but the ship still had 4000 tons of fuel onboard as well as extensive reserves of spare parts, food and water.  The trade-off was seen in a positive light and most Clans would refit their own Congress class ships along similar lines.  Surprisingly the Snow Raven’s didn’t refit their Congress, instead she was kept in orbit over Lum and would serve as a training ship for new crews and fighter pilots.  She shared this role with the CSR Yorktown, as the huge Ark Royal class carrier was being reactivated after her long sojourn in mothballs.

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Class/Model/Name: Congress Class Frigate FRAM I refit
Tech: Clan
Ship Cost: $14,841,645,680.00
Magazine Cost: $16,120,000.00
BV2: 54,450

Mass: 760,000
K-F Drive System: Compact with L-F Battery
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5

Armor Type: Ferro-Carbide

Armament:
2 Capital Launcher Killer Whale
8 Capital Launcher Barracuda
2 Naval AC 30
16 Naval AC 10
8 Naval PPC Medium
8 Naval PPC Light

6 AC 10 LB-X (C)
10 PPC ER (C)
20 Laser Large ER (C)
14 LRM 10+Art4 (C)
8 Laser Medium ER (C)
24 AMS (C)

Class/Model/Name: Congress Class Frigate FRAM I refit
Mass: 760,000

Equipment: Mass
Drive: 136,800.00

Thrust
Safe: 3
Maximum: 5

Controls: 1,900.00
K-F Hyperdrive: Compact with L-F Battery (17 Integrity) 351,500.00
Jump Sail: (5 Integrity) 68.00
Structural Integrity: 75 57,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 2168(4336) Double 1,600.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 10000 points 4,080.00
Fire Control Computers: 0.00

Armor: 446 pts Ferro-Carbide 495.00
Fore: 73
Fore-Left/Right: 75/75
Aft-Left/Right: 75/75
Aft: 73

Dropship Capacity: 2 2,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 1 (100 meter) 50.00
Escape Pods: 30 210.00
Life Boats: 30 210.00

Crew And Passengers:
43 Officers in Steerage Quarters 215.00
154 Crew in Steerage Quarters 770.00
60 Gunners and Others in Steerage Quarters 300.00
65 Bay Personnel 0.00
25 Elementals/Marines 125.00

# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass

2 Capital Launcher Killer Whale Nose 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 300.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Nose 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
8 Laser Medium ER (C) Nose 40 56 (5.6-C) 8.00
3 AMS (C) Nose 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 FL 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda FL 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
3 AC 10 LB-X (C) FL 6 18 (1.8-C) 30.00
3 LRM 10+Art4 (C) FL 12 24 (2.4-C) 10.50
3 AMS (C) FL 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 FR 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda FR 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
3 AC 10 LB-X (C) FR 6 18 (1.8-C) 30.00
3 LRM 10+Art4 (C) FR 12 24 (2.4-C) 10.50
3 AMS (C) FR 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval PPC Medium LBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Naval PPC Light LBS 420 280 (28-C) 5,600.00
6 Laser Large ER (C) LBS 72 60 (6-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) LBS 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval PPC Medium RBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Naval PPC Light RBS 420 280 (28-C) 5,600.00
6 Laser Large ER (C) RBS 72 60 (6-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) RBS 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 AL 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda AL 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
4 LRM 10+Art4 (C) AL 16 32 (3.2-C) 14.00
3 PPC ER (C) AL 45 45 (4.5-C) 18.00
3 AMS (C) AL 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

4 Naval AC 10 AR 120 400 (40-C) 8,000.00
2 Capital Launcher Barracuda AR 20 40 (4-C) 180.00
4 LRM 10+Art4 (C) AR 16 32 (3.2-C) 14.00
3 PPC ER (C) AR 45 45 (4.5-C) 18.00
3 AMS (C) AR 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50

2 Naval AC 30 Aft 200 600 (60-C) 7,000.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Aft 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 PPC ER (C) Aft 60 60 (6-C) 24.00
3 AMS (C) Aft 3 9 (0.9-C) 1.50


Ammo type Quantity

Capital Launcher Killer Whale Ammo 40 rounds
Capital Launcher Barracuda Ammo 160 rounds
Naval AC 30 Ammo 60 rounds
Naval AC 10 Ammo 800 rounds
AC 10 LB-X (C) Ammo 300 rounds
LRM 10+Art4 (C) Ammo 864 rounds
AMS (C) Ammo 1728 rounds

Aerospace group

20 x Fighters
5 x Small craft
2 x DropShip Collars

Additional equipment;

Small NCSS

Cargo capacity - 125,481,000 tons

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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #37 on: 16 June 2018, 06:29:39 »
Thebes Class Heavy Cruiser Flight II

Following the completion of the FRAM and FRAM II refits in the late 3040s (the last refit was completed December 12th 3049) and the reorganisation of the Snow Raven Tourman ( https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=61530.0 ), several flaws were still found in the makeup of the fleet.

This mainly stemmed from the deployment of six Potemkin class ships into front line formations.  Whilst the FRAM I refit had improved the classes defences and fixed some flaws. The ships were still far too specialized in their design as well as being difficult to repair and basically too valuable to risk despite the firepower they brought. 

The answer was to produce a new group of Thebes class cruisers to replace the Potemkin’s and allow the huge ships to be put back into the logistics and assault role that they were designed for.  The sole Thebes class ship in Snow Raven service the CSR Blood Raven had proven itself in the fifteen years of service she had rendered to the Clan.  But, it was decided that the new ships that would be built would have a different weapons mix compared to the initial design. 
Whereas the Thebes Flight I had a mix of weapons that suited Clan Trials, where weapons could be bidded away, the Flight II would be more traditionally armed with a mixture of lasers, autocannons, missiles and particle cannons.

Resource allocation was seen as fairly easy thanks to the supplies the Ravens were reciving from the Falcons and Bears in return for their assistance with either moving supplies and escorting their JumpShips or with the construction of new WarShips.  Room at their naval yards was a problem however as there was only two slips large enough to construct the Thebes class available due to the cruisers size and mass.

Construction was to be completed by 3062 with four years allocated to the construction, fitting out and trials of each pair of newly constructed cruisers which would then immediately be assigned to Naval Stars to replace Potemkin class ships on a one by one basis.  On schedule in 3054 the CSR Horus and CSR Thoth would join the Raven Tourman whilst the CSR’s Huginn and Muninn would follow in 3058 whilst delays in construction saw the Iskandar and Sirocco not scheduled to enter service until 3066 with both ships construction being halted due to the assault on Lum.  The battle of Lum saw the Sirocco take significant damage in her yard whilst the Iskandar was only moderately damaged and construction of both ships was not fully complete until 3070
As the most modern ships in the Snow Ravens service the Thebes was often used as the Flagship of a Naval Star unless it was formed around a Battleship and during the evacuation of the Homeworlds the six Thebes fought together as a single reinforced Naval Star defending the evacuation convoys now streaming into the Outworlds Alliance.

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Class/Model/Name: Thebes Heavy Cruiser Flight II
Tech: Clan
Ship Cost: $22,708,114,480.00
Magazine Cost: $34,840,000.00
BV2: 134,554

Mass: 890,000
K-F Drive System: Compact with L-F Battery
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive

Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5

Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide

Armament:

15 Naval AC 20
9 Naval PPC Heavy
30 Naval Laser 55
12 Naval PPC Medium
8 Capital Launcher AR-10
12 Laser Large ER (C)
24 Laser Large Pulse (C)
16 AC 20 Ultra (C)
12 AC 10 LB-X (C)
32 AMS (C)

Class/Model/Name: Thebes Heavy Cruiser Flight II
Mass: 890,000

Equipment: Mass
Drive: 160,200.00
Thrust
Safe: 3
Maximum: 5

Controls: 2,225.00
K-F Hyperdrive: Compact with L-F Battery (19 Integrity) 411,625.00
Jump Sail: (5 Integrity) 75.00
Structural Integrity: 90 80,100.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3996(7992) Double 3,385.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 15000 points 6,120.00
Fire Control Computers: 2,681.53

Armor: 1690 pts Lamellor Ferro-Carbide 1,536.00

Fore: 334
Fore-Left/Right: 320/320
Aft-Left/Right: 320/320
Aft: 306

Dropship Capacity: 4 4,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 2 (100 meter) 100.00

Escape Pods: 40 280.00
Life Boats: 40 280.00

Crew And Passengers:
54 Officers in Steerage Quarters 270.00
169 Crew in Steerage Quarters 845.00
95 Gunners and Others in Steerage Quarters 475.00
90 Bay Personnel 0.00
50 Marines/Elementals 250.00


# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass

3 Naval AC 20 Nose 180 600 (60-C) Long-C 7,500.00
3 Naval PPC Heavy Nose 675 450 (45-C) 9,000.00
4 Naval Laser 55 Nose 340 220 (22-C) 4,400.00
2 Capital Launcher AR-10 Nose 500.00
4 AC 10 LB-X (C) Nose 8 24 (2.4-C) 40.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) Nose 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) Nose 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) Nose 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Naval PPC Heavy FL 675 450 (45-C) 9,000.00
3 Naval AC 20 FL 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
2 Capital Launcher AR-10 FL 500.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) FL 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) FL 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) FL 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Naval PPC Heavy FR 675 450 (45-C) 9,000.00
3 Naval AC 20 FR 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
2 Capital Launcher AR-10 FR 500.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) FR 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) FR 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) FR 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Naval AC 20 LBS 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 Naval PPC Medium LBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
5 Naval Laser 55 LBS 425 275 (27.5-C) 5,500.00
4 AC 10 LB-X (C) LBS 8 24 (2.4-C) 40.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) LBS 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) LBS 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) LBS 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Naval AC 20 RBS 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 Naval PPC Medium RBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
5 Naval Laser 55 RBS 425 275 (27.5-C) 5,500.00
4 AC 10 LB-X (C) RBS 8 24 (2.4-C) 40.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) RBS 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) RBS 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) RBS 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

6 Naval Laser 55 AL 510 330 (33-C) 6,600.00
1 Capital Launcher AR-10 AL 250.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) AL 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) AL 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) AL 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) AL 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

6 Naval Laser 55 AR 510 330 (33-C) 6,600.00
1 Capital Launcher AR-10 AR 250.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) AR 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) AR 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) AR 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) AR 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

4 Naval PPC Medium Aft 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Naval Laser 55 Aft 340 220 (22-C) 4,400.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Aft 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
3 Laser Large Pulse (C) Aft 30 30 (3-C) 18.00
2 AC 20 Ultra (C) Aft 28 60 (6-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) Aft 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

Aerospace Compliment

30 x Fighters
6 x Small Craft
4 x DropShip Collars

Additional Equipment

LF Battery
Mobile HPG

Cargo

71,295 tons



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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #38 on: 16 June 2018, 08:13:09 »
-looks at fluff and art- 
-envy intensifies-

While I always want go greatly simplify weapons layouts on vessels, I like what you do with them here.

I do wonder why the heavy nose armor, though - shes armed like a broadsider, and I by habit dont like pointing my nose at people anyway...

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« Reply #39 on: 16 June 2018, 11:23:01 »
So how did one of these things end up in the smoked jaguars?

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« Reply #40 on: 16 June 2018, 11:26:58 »
So how did one of these things end up in the smoked jaguars?

The Jags had two built for themselves as replacements for their lost Battleship.  Built to a different standard they traded cargo space, habitability, endurance, their LF battery and a star of fighters for a different weapons fit and significantly more structural integrity and armour.  Called the Scharnhorst class Armoured cruiser in Jaguar service the CSJ Scharnhorst and CSJ Gnisenau were active in their Tourman during REVIVAL.

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Class/Model/Name:  Scharnhorst class Armoured Cruiser
Tech:              Clan / 3050
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              890,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            975 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,490 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   25 NL55
   23 Heavy NPPC
   10 NAC/30
   24 LRM 20+ArtIV
   18 Large Pulse Laser
    8 LB 10-X AC
   40 AMS
    8 NAC/20
    4 Medium NPPC
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Thebes
Mass:              890,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      160,200.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 18)               402,725.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                               8,900.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 5)                                              74.00
Structural Integrity: 135                                          120,150.00
Total Heat Sinks:    4,000 Double                                    3,389.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   5,100.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              2,225.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (2,727 total armor pts)         2,402.50
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 465
   Fore-Left/Right:                    460/460
   Aft-Left/Right:                     460/460
   Aft:                                  422

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (10)                                             1,500.00
           Small Craft (2)                                             400.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (10)                                             1,500.00
           Small Craft (2)                                             400.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (13,253.5 tons)                                    13,253.50

DropShip Capacity:  4 Docking Hardpoints                             4,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (95-meter diameter)                                100.00
Life Boats:  35 (7 tons each)                                          245.00
Escape Pods:  30 (7 tons each)                                         210.00

Crew and Passengers:
     54 Officers (54 minimum)                                          540.00
    169 Crew (169 minimum)                                           1,183.00
     85 Gunners (85 minimum)                                           595.00
     50 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        350.00
     60 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 NL55                     Nose        17     17     17     17  255  3,300.00
3 Heavy NPPC               Nose        45     45     45     45  675  9,000.00
2 NAC/30(120 rounds)       Nose        60     60     60     --  200  7,096.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     48.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        Nose     2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   20     12.00
2 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Nose     1(12)  1(12)     --     --    4     32.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         Nose        --     --     --     --    5     64.50

3 NL55                     FL/R        17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
4 Heavy NPPC               FL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
2 NAC/20(120 rounds)       FL/R        40     40     40     --  240 10,096.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36     96.00
3 Large Pulse Laser        FL/R     3(30)  3(30)  3(30)     --   60     36.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         FL/R        --     --     --     --   10    129.00

3 NL55                     L/RBS       17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
3 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       45     45     45     45 1350 18,000.00
2 NAC/30(120 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14,192.00
2 NAC/30(120 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14,192.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) L/RBS    5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36     96.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        L/RBS    2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   40     24.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         L/RBS       --     --     --     --   10    129.00

3 NL55                     AL/R        17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
3 Heavy NPPC               AL/R        45     45     45     45 1350 18,000.00
2 NAC/20(120 rounds)       AL/R        40     40     40     --  240 10,096.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) AL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36     96.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        AL/R     2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   40     24.00
2 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   AL/R     1(12)  1(12)     --     --    8     64.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         AL/R        --     --     --     --   10    129.00

4 NL55                     Aft         22     22     22     22  340  4,400.00
4 Medium NPPC              Aft         36     36     36     36  540  7,200.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     48.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        Aft      2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   20     12.00
2 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Aft      1(12)  1(12)     --     --    4     32.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         Aft         --     --     --     --    5     64.50
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                            Heat: 9,700     876,746.50
Tons Left:                                                                .00
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #41 on: 16 June 2018, 11:28:47 »
What happened to them after the great refusal?

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« Reply #42 on: 16 June 2018, 12:21:20 »
The CSJ Gnisenau had to be scuttled, her engines and fuel tanks were damaged during the retreat infront of Task Force Bulldog and without the ability to repair her in time she was abandoned and scuttled by her crew.  The CSJ Scharnhorst died in the fighting over Huntress.
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« Reply #43 on: 16 June 2018, 13:26:35 »
The Jags had two built for themselves as replacements for their lost Battleship.  Built to a different standard they traded cargo space, habitability, endurance, their LF battery and a star of fighters for a different weapons fit and significantly more structural integrity and armour.  Called the Scharnhorst class Armoured cruiser in Jaguar service the CSJ Scharnhorst and CSJ Gnisenau were active in their Tourman during REVIVAL.

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Class/Model/Name:  Scharnhorst class Armoured Cruiser
Tech:              Clan / 3050
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              890,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            975 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,490 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   25 NL55
   23 Heavy NPPC
   10 NAC/30
   24 LRM 20+ArtIV
   18 Large Pulse Laser
    8 LB 10-X AC
   40 AMS
    8 NAC/20
    4 Medium NPPC
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Thebes
Mass:              890,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      160,200.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 18)               402,725.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                               8,900.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 5)                                              74.00
Structural Integrity: 135                                          120,150.00
Total Heat Sinks:    4,000 Double                                    3,389.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   5,100.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              2,225.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (2,727 total armor pts)         2,402.50
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 465
   Fore-Left/Right:                    460/460
   Aft-Left/Right:                     460/460
   Aft:                                  422

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (10)                                             1,500.00
           Small Craft (2)                                             400.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (10)                                             1,500.00
           Small Craft (2)                                             400.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (13,253.5 tons)                                    13,253.50

DropShip Capacity:  4 Docking Hardpoints                             4,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (95-meter diameter)                                100.00
Life Boats:  35 (7 tons each)                                          245.00
Escape Pods:  30 (7 tons each)                                         210.00

Crew and Passengers:
     54 Officers (54 minimum)                                          540.00
    169 Crew (169 minimum)                                           1,183.00
     85 Gunners (85 minimum)                                           595.00
     50 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        350.00
     60 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 NL55                     Nose        17     17     17     17  255  3,300.00
3 Heavy NPPC               Nose        45     45     45     45  675  9,000.00
2 NAC/30(120 rounds)       Nose        60     60     60     --  200  7,096.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     48.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        Nose     2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   20     12.00
2 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Nose     1(12)  1(12)     --     --    4     32.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         Nose        --     --     --     --    5     64.50

3 NL55                     FL/R        17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
4 Heavy NPPC               FL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
2 NAC/20(120 rounds)       FL/R        40     40     40     --  240 10,096.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36     96.00
3 Large Pulse Laser        FL/R     3(30)  3(30)  3(30)     --   60     36.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         FL/R        --     --     --     --   10    129.00

3 NL55                     L/RBS       17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
3 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       45     45     45     45 1350 18,000.00
2 NAC/30(120 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14,192.00
2 NAC/30(120 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14,192.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) L/RBS    5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36     96.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        L/RBS    2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   40     24.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         L/RBS       --     --     --     --   10    129.00

3 NL55                     AL/R        17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
3 Heavy NPPC               AL/R        45     45     45     45 1350 18,000.00
2 NAC/20(120 rounds)       AL/R        40     40     40     --  240 10,096.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) AL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36     96.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        AL/R     2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   40     24.00
2 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   AL/R     1(12)  1(12)     --     --    8     64.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         AL/R        --     --     --     --   10    129.00

4 NL55                     Aft         22     22     22     22  340  4,400.00
4 Medium NPPC              Aft         36     36     36     36  540  7,200.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     48.00
2 Large Pulse Laser        Aft      2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   20     12.00
2 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Aft      1(12)  1(12)     --     --    4     32.00
5 AMS(1488 rounds)         Aft         --     --     --     --    5     64.50
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 9,700     876,746.50
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Well, thats a terrifying brick of Lammellor Ferro-Carbide and Guns.  Its inability to operate at long run isnt THAT bad.  Shes got the usual 5Kt Fuel that seems to be warship standard, and 13Kt of Cargo isnt much, but its a lot more than Mijolnir has!  :)

You said they sacrificed their LF Battery - your still paying tonnage for it in that post.  So maybe that could give her enough cargo to start having a reasonable operation range? 

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« Reply #44 on: 16 June 2018, 13:45:37 »
Sorry, my bad, she's actually got a LF battery :)
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« Reply #45 on: 17 June 2018, 15:08:08 »
Really, the Scharnhorst is very much an Armored Light Battleship (and appears to be treated as such in the Jaguar touman), while the Thebes I is a proper Heavy Cruiser, and the Thebes II is closing in on Battlecruiser status.

I like the Thebes II, it's streamlining of weapons makes a lot of sense, though I kinda wish the original standard-sized weapons had remained.  ;)

And yes, the Scharnhorst is a very big brick of Lamellor Ferro-Carbide.  Since I made it (with some directive advice from marauder), I'll comment on how I usually deal with deployment length.  Usually this is very heavily based on cargo, with smaller ships being able to get away with 15-20kt with 5kt of fuel, mid-sized ships usually need about twice this amount while still getting away with 5kt of fuel, larger ships tend to want closer to 100kt and fuel tanks should be 7.5-10kt.  Cutting these amounts in half makes for short deployments, and the Scharnhorst, with nearly a third of what it ought to have is almost entirely built to take on other clans - It doesn't really have the legs to get much beyond the Pentagon worlds.  Just my two-cents on how I view cargo capacity, and in all honesty, I admit that it's a limitation I place on myself to limit the inner munchkin.

A bigger limitation I put on myself is that Aerospace Fighters tend to "cost" ~500 tons rather than the 150 tons the bay itself is.  This is intended to indicate the CAP as well as additional training while maintaining the ability to repair and launch a couple of full sorties against opponents.

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« Reply #46 on: 17 June 2018, 19:18:05 »
Thats a reasonable weighing of fighters, though I think for ‘other expendables’ Intend to go with a year of food, 180 burn days of fuel, and a few pecentage of mass in parts.  Fighters would be resource hogs, as would dropships.  Missiles depends on how many to the death fights you get into per deployment....

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« Reply #47 on: 18 June 2018, 01:08:02 »
There's nothing wrong with big bricks of armor they blow up real nice when you nuke them lol

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« Reply #48 on: 18 June 2018, 06:28:51 »
For those of you wondering what the CSR Yorktown is

This design was done by DragonCat

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Ark Royal Class Heavy Carrier v2
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2368
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              1.400.000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1.200 meters
Sail Diameter:     1.400 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Improved Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
   12 NL45
   40 LB 10-X AC
   40 LRM 20
   32 AMS
   12 White Shark
   12 Barracuda
   12 Heavy NPPC
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Class/Model/Name:  Ark Royal Class Heavy Carrier v2
Mass:              1.400.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      252.000,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 27)               633.500,00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              14.000,00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 6)                                             100,00
Structural Integrity: 81                                           113.400,00
Total Heat Sinks:    4.200 Single                                    3.446,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  10.200,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              3.500,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Armor Type:  Improved Ferro-aluminum  (1.409 total armor pts)        2.268,00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                204
   Fore-Left/Right:                  251/251
   Aft-Left/Right:                   251/251
   Aft:                                 201

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (216) with 8 doors                              32.400,00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (32)                                          6.400,00
           Cargo (1) with 8 doors                                  252.193,00
   Bay 3:  Large Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (1)                          500,00

DropShip Capacity:  6 Docking Hardpoints                             6.000,00
Grav Decks #1 - 4:  (95-meter diameter)                                200,00
Life Boats:  80 (7 tons each)                                          560,00
Escape Pods:  80 (7 tons each)                                         560,00

Crew and Passengers:
     90 Officers (73 minimum)                                          900,00
    300 Crew (235 minimum)                                           2.100,00
     67 Gunners (67 minimum)                                           469,00
     50 1st Class Passengers                                           500,00
    700 2nd Class Passengers                                         4,900,00
    144 Marines                                                      1,008.00
    592 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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6 NL45                     Nose        27     27     27     27  420  5.400,00
5 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds)   Nose     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   10     65,00
5 LRM 20(120 rounds)       Nose     6(60)  6(60)  6(60)     --   30     70,00
4 AMS(120 rounds)          Nose        --     --     --     --    4     12,00
3 White Shark(30 msls)     FL/R         9      9      9      9   90  3.120,00
3 Barracuda(30 msls)       FL/R         6      6      6      6   60  2.340,00
5 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds)   FL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   20    130,00
5 LRM 20(120 rounds)       FL/R     6(60)  6(60)  6(60)     --   60    140,00
4 AMS(120 rounds)          FL/R        --     --     --     --    8     24,00
3 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       45     45     45     45 1350 18.000,00
3 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       45     45     45     45 1350 18.000,00
5 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds)   L/RBS    3(30)  3(30)     --     --   20    130,00
5 LRM 20(120 rounds)       L/RBS    6(60)  6(60)  6(60)     --   60    140,00
4 AMS(120 rounds)          L/RBS       --     --     --     --    8     24,00
3 White Shark(30 msls)     AL/R         9      9      9      9   90  3.120,00
3 Barracuda(30 msls)       AL/R         6      6      6      6   60  2.340,00
5 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds)   AL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   20    130,00
5 LRM 20(120 rounds)       AL/R     6(60)  6(60)  6(60)     --   60    140,00
4 AMS(120 rounds)          AL/R        --     --     --     --    8     24,00
6 NL45                     Aft         27     27     27     27  420  5.400,00
5 LB 10-X AC(100 rounds)   Aft      3(30)  3(30)     --     --   10     65,00
5 LRM 20(120 rounds)       Aft      6(60)  6(60)  6(60)     --   30     70,00
4 AMS(120 rounds)          Aft         --     --     --     --    4     12,00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 4.192   1.400.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00


Note this is her in her original SLDF configuration, the secondary weapons would have been replaced with Clan equivalents and one could expect the armour package to have been updated as well somewhat.

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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #49 on: 18 June 2018, 13:54:12 »
Wouldn't a ship from that era have double heat sinks?

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« Reply #50 on: 18 June 2018, 15:06:40 »
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« Reply #51 on: 21 June 2018, 18:54:36 »
Alliance Class Battlecruiser

Length 1050 meters
Displacement – 975,000 tons
Crew Compliment – 776 Including 50 Marines/Elementals with Quarters for 25 Senior Personnel and staff

Despite the cost of having to rebuild and start anew, the Scientists of Clan Snow Raven were not idle, and even spare time was taken up by projects and group research.  Significant reserves of ores found on worlds near Wynn’s Roost and in their asteroid belts allowed for longer term plans and construction projects.  Whilst many remained thought projects some did start to advance and one of these was the Alliance project.

It was hoped that by 3072 the yards at Quatre Belle would be fully reactivated and that the RavenSpire yard at Wynns Roost would be active by 3075.  The core of the RavenSpire yards would be the CSR Meuse whilst the other two ships would become mobile factories and processing facilities for the large quantity of ores the Ravens would be obtaining from Asteroid mining.  Using the ship as the core of the yard would jumpstart their production and serve as a solid foundation and plans were already well in advance for the layout of the slips that would be constructed and onboard facilities.

Whilst Quatre Belle would act as the main repair yard and slip for the Fleet at first, this role would be taken by RavenSpire once it was fully operational and its first major vessel to be constructed would be a new battlecruiser that would also symbolize the good relationship with their Outworld allies.

At 975,000 tons the design shared many construction similarities with the Thebes class and the two designs were visually similar although the Alliance was more bulky and its large 200 meter grav-deck was quite noticeable.  The weapon choice was also similar to the Thebes flight II but with greater missile coverage and a heavier broadside punch as well as an additional Star of fighters giving the ship room for 40 in addition to a Star of Small craft for 10 in total.

Full flag facilities were fitted as standard as were quarters for a Senior Officer and his or her staff, whilst onboard security is to be provided by 50 Marines or Elementals.

The initial design when shown to Khan Lynn McKenna was designated the Thebes Flight III but was renamed to reflect the Raven’s new situation and construction was authorized with the start date to be one day after the RavenSpire yard went active.  Despite the tumult of the following years, the first ship the CSR Alliance was completed in 3081 and her sistership the CSR Phoenix would complete in 3085.  These ships and other new built or repaired ships would go a long way to restoring the level of naval strength that the Ravens were more comfortable with and the major construction projects, involving both Outworld Alliance and Clan Snow Raven would help bind the two together and would, in part, lead to the birth of the Raven Alliance in 3090.

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Class/Model/Name: Alliance Class Battlecruiser

Tech: Clan

Ship Cost: $14,112,418,480.00
Magazine Cost: $55,200,000.00
BV2: 120,459

Mass: 975,000

K-F Drive System: Compact
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive

Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5

Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide

Armament:

Armament:

2 Naval Gauss Rifle Heavy
15 Naval AC 20
22 Naval Laser 55
25 Naval PPC Medium
12 Capital Launcher AR-10
16 Laser Large Pulse (C)
24 Laser Large ER (C)
8 AC 20 LB-X (C)
20 LRM 20+Art4 (C)
32 AMS (C)

Class/Model/Name: Alliance Class Battlecruiser
Mass: 975,000

Equipment: Mass

Drive: 175,500.00
Thrust
Safe: 3
Maximum: 5

Controls: 2,438.00

K-F Hyperdrive: Compact (20 Integrity) 441,188.00
Jump Sail: (5 Integrity) 79.00
Structural Integrity: 90 87,750.00

Total Heat Sinks: 3450(6900) Double 2,813.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 13750 points 5,610.00

Fire Control Computers: 461.66
Armor: 2372 pts Lamellor Ferro-Carbide 2,156.00

Fore: 401
Fore-Left/Right: 393/393
Aft-Left/Right: 393/393
Aft: 399

Dropship Capacity: 4 4,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 2 (100 meter) 100.00
Medium: 1 (200 meter) 100.00
Large: 0

Escape Pods: 100 700.00
Life Boats: 75 525.00

Crew And Passengers:

99 Officers in Steerage Quarters 495.00
141 Crew in Steerage Quarters 705.00
354 Gunners and Others in Steerage Quarters 1,770.00
130 Bay Personnel
25 Quaters for Admiral and Staff 250.00
50 Elementals/Marines 250.00

# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass
2 Naval Gauss Rifle Heavy Nose 36 600 (60-C) Extreme-C 14,000.00
5 Naval PPC Medium Nose 675 450 (45-C) 9,000.00
4 Laser Large Pulse (C) Nose 40 40 (4-C) 24.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Nose 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 AMS (C) Nose 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Capital Launcher AR-10 FL 750.00
3 Naval AC 20 FL 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
6 Naval Laser 55 FL 510 330 (33-C) 6,600.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) FL 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 LRM 20+Art4 (C) FL 24 64 (6.4-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) FL 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Capital Launcher AR-10 FR 750.00
3 Naval AC 20 FR 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
6 Naval Laser 55 FR 510 330 (33-C) 6,600.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) FR 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 LRM 20+Art4 (C) FR 24 64 (6.4-C) 24.00
4 AMS (C) FR 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Naval AC 20 LBS 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 Naval PPC Medium LBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Naval PPC Medium LBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
6 Laser Large Pulse (C) LBS 60 60 (6-C) 36.00
4 AC 20 LB-X (C) LBS 24 48 (4.8-C) 48.00
4 AMS (C) LBS 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Naval AC 20 RBS 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 Naval PPC Medium RBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
4 Naval PPC Medium RBS 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
6 Laser Large Pulse (C) RBS 60 60 (6-C) 36.00
4 AC 20 LB-X (C) RBS 24 48 (4.8-C) 48.00
4 AMS (C) RBS 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Capital Launcher AR-10 AL 750.00
5 Naval Laser 55 AL 425 275 (27.5-C) 5,500.00
4 LRM 20+Art4 (C) AL 24 64 (6.4-C) 24.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) AL 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 AMS (C) AL 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

3 Capital Launcher AR-10 AR 750.00
5 Naval Laser 55 AR 425 275 (27.5-C) 5,500.00
4 LRM 20+Art4 (C) AR 24 64 (6.4-C) 24.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) AR 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 AMS (C) AR 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

4 Naval PPC Medium Aft 540 360 (36-C) 7,200.00
3 Naval AC 20 Aft 180 600 (60-C) 7,500.00
4 LRM 20+Art4 (C) Aft 24 64 (6.4-C) 24.00
4 Laser Large ER (C) Aft 48 40 (4-C) 16.00
4 AMS (C) Aft 4 12 (1.2-C) 2.00

Aerospace Group

40 x Fighters
10 x Small Craft
4 x DropShip Docking Collars

Additional Equipment

1 x Small NCSS
1 x Mobile HPG
50 x MASH units

Cargo - 88,250 tons

Fuel - 5,500 tons

Ammunition

Ammo type Rounds Total Rounds per gun

Naval Gauss Rifle Heavy Ammo 120 60 Rounds per gun
Naval AC 20 Ammo 1500 100 Rounds per gun
Capital Launcher Barracuda Ammo 360 30 Missiles per launcher
Capital Launcher White Shark Ammo 240 20 Missiles per launcher
Capital Launcher Killer Whale Ammo 120 10 Missiles per launcher
LRM 20+Art4 (C) Ammo 816 40 Salvos per launcher
AC 20 LB-X (C) Ammo 400 50 Rounds per gun
AMS (C) Ammo 6144 192 Rounds per System

As always, thoughts and comments are most welcome, she's basically a somewhat bigger Thebes Flight II with a jiggled up weapons mix and a larger air group and missile battery but possibly not quite so hard hitting.
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« Reply #52 on: 21 June 2018, 20:39:57 »
As you're putting a Flag aboard her, why skimp on the NCSS?  I'd go for a large vice small...

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« Reply #53 on: 21 June 2018, 23:02:01 »
Because LNCSS is mind-blowingly expensive, and the whole ‘batchall’ thing kinda undermines the point?

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« Reply #54 on: 21 June 2018, 23:35:29 »
Compared to dropship collars, they're drops in the bucket.  And how much faith are they going to put in a batchall after dealing with the Sphere for that long?

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« Reply #55 on: 22 June 2018, 02:38:29 »
The installation of the NCSS is, in my mind, part of the Ravens evolution to their new environment.  They've ambled into the Inner Sphere just as the Jihad is kicking off and whilst there will be more on this in the future, the Raven's are not stupid.  With nukes flying, you can bet that anything that jumps into a system under their stewardship won't be given the courtesy of a Batchall.  Nukes are dezgra, and so are the people who use them and they do not deserve any formal courtesy. 
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« Reply #56 on: 22 June 2018, 06:30:29 »
That's where I thought you were going, so my first question still stands: why a small vice large NCSS?

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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #57 on: 22 June 2018, 07:51:38 »
Mainly for head canon reasons.  I see the large NCSS as being a very large and fully intigrated system that would be found more in specialized ships that are built so this things threaded into their hulls to act as spying/observation kit.
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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #58 on: 22 June 2018, 08:28:50 »
I... dont think it has to be that way, but in matters of headcannon there can be no dispute.

Even if a LNCSS is better, if a small is all you think you need, maybe you go with that.  Maybe technology in that narrow area has stagnated/declined among the clans, as they havent needed it.

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Re: The Fleet Refit And Modernization Program (FRAM)
« Reply #59 on: 22 June 2018, 08:37:35 »
Makes sense, thanks Marauder!