The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I'm pretty sure it was common in the manga.

[MadCapellan]

Well, when you're translating a nonsense phrase, the result can only ever be nonsense.....

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

And supernatural martial art shonen titles certainly have a lot of nonsense phrases.

[MadCapellan]

And supernatural martial art shonen titles certainly have a lot of nonsense phrases.

This is actually one of the problems I have with subtitles - they inject a false sense of intellectualism into the script when in fact there is none. Dialogue sounds corny as hell? Think it's the dub's fault? Let me tell you, chances are the dialogue is just as cheesy in Japanese, you just didn't pick up on it because you're unaccustomed to the language & reading the words imparts an unintended studious quality to the delivery, akin to how the humor in Shakespeare is somewhat lost through the filter of linguistic drift. Anime is really dorky. If you're cringing at the dub, chances are there's some middle-aged Japanese viewer doing the same with the original audio just before they change the channel to watch something more mundane.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Believe it!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[iamfanboy]

I hate to say, but "Believe it!" was just as common in the subtitled version as the dubbed  version.

This is actually one of the problems I have with subtitles - they inject a false sense of intellectualism into the script when in fact there is none. Dialogue sounds corny as hell? Think it's the dub's fault? Let me tell you, chances are the dialogue is just as cheesy in Japanese, you just didn't pick up on it because you're unaccustomed to the language & reading the words imparts an unintended studious quality to the delivery, akin to how the humor in Shakespeare is somewhat lost through the filter of linguistic drift. Anime is really dorky. If you're cringing at the dub, chances are there's some middle-aged Japanese viewer doing the same with the original audio just before they change the channel to watch something more mundane.

This is why it didn't hurt as bad.

Though I always disliked the main characters of that show (especially the mangaka's disturbing lurve for Sasuke); it's the secondary characters who are far more interesting. No one over the age of 8 likes any of the three mains if asked; it's always someone else.

Believe it.

[Matti]

Anime is really dorky. If you're cringing at the dub, chances are there's some middle-aged Japanese viewer doing the same with the original audio just before they change the channel to watch something more mundane.

More mundane? Like live-action adaptation of popular anime & manga? xp

[Charlie Tango]

You filthy casuals with your Boku no Macadamia & your SAO hatedom & your not fawning over Japanese seiyu dressed half their age!  ;D You're the reason I can't hear the speaker running my Gundam panel over the 300 screaming Vic Mignogna fans in the next room!

Damn straight.


I've watched anime both ways, and just prefer the dub over the sub. I'll watch them subbed if I'm without a choice but yeah, guilty of being a filthy casual.

[Istal_Devalis]

This is actually one of the problems I have with subtitles - they inject a false sense of intellectualism into the script when in fact there is none.

And while we're at it, fansubs/scanlations tend to interject a HELL of a lot more cursing that is actually prevalent.

Never mind my personal beef...insisting on keeping Japanese words when they have a perfectly fine English equivalent.

[MadCapellan]

guilty of being a filthy casual.

 ;D Sorry, man! I just couldn't not give you a little razzing after you declared yourself a ****** normie!

And while we're at it, fansubs/scanlations tend to interject a HELL of a lot more cursing that is actually prevalent.

That's oftentimes a localization thing. It's kind of hard to find the right way to translate a character deliberately using inappropriately informal language with someone to belittle them, since English doesn't have the multiple layers of linguistic politeness present in Japanese. A lot of translators reach straight for swearing because a lot of Americans curse pretty casually & it conveys the same message of "I don't respect you". There's certainly other ways to do it, but like all localization decisions a lot of it comes down to subjective interpretation of the characters & their dialogue.

Never mind my personal beef...insisting on keeping Japanese words when they have a perfectly fine English equivalent.

Yeah, that really sort of defeats the purpose of a translation, doesn't it? Certainly, I think there are a number of Japanese words that just aren't easily translated into a single English word equivalent, but was a lot more prevalent in fansubs than the language dictates.

Honestly, my pet-peeve in translation is almost the opposite, though - altering forms of address. When a girl refers to her classmate as "Shimada-san", and the translator decides to translate that as "Kyoko" instead of "Ms. Shimada" it drives me up the damn wall!  ;D I understand that the intent is to make their interaction sound like an ordinary classmate conversation in English, but the level of formality being used is not linguistic, it's cultural! The character speaking does not have a comfortable, casual relationship with Ms. Shimada! There's a level of social distance in their relationship that's being erased by the translation because someone felt that would make the dialogue awkward, but it is supposed to be awkward! Ms. Shimada is not someone they'd just go to karaoke with after school.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That's oftentimes a localization thing. It's kind of hard to find the right way to translate a character deliberately using inappropriately informal language with someone to belittle them, since English doesn't have the multiple layers of linguistic politeness present in Japanese. A lot of translators reach straight for swearing because a lot of Americans curse pretty casually & it conveys the same message of "I don't respect you". There's certainly other ways to do it, but like all localization decisions a lot of it comes down to subjective interpretation of the characters & their dialogue.

That is true, but it was still common back in the days when fansubs were typically the only way to get anime in the US that a lot of fansubbers would take a kid's show and have every character swear like Revy from Black Lagoon.

[Maingunnery]

That is true, but it was still common back in the days when fansubs were typically the only way to get anime in the US that a lot of fansubbers would take a kid's show and have every character swear like Revy from Black Lagoon.

Good times.  ;D

[kato]

a lot of fansubbers would take a kid's show and have every character swear like Revy from Black Lagoon.

... Crunchyroll does that professionally. At least for their German subs, French and Spanish too to a lesser extent.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I don't watch much stuff on Crunchy since I too prefer dubs and also I find their ads incredibly annoying, given how they blare out at massive volume.

[Matti]

That's oftentimes a localization thing. It's kind of hard to find the right way to translate a character deliberately using inappropriately informal language with someone to belittle them, since English doesn't have the multiple layers of linguistic politeness present in Japanese. A lot of translators reach straight for swearing because a lot of Americans curse pretty casually & it conveys the same message of "I don't respect you". There's certainly other ways to do it, but like all localization decisions a lot of it comes down to subjective interpretation of the characters & their dialogue.

TVtropes has an article about it

[Charlie Tango]

;D Sorry, man! I just couldn't not give you a little razzing after you declared yourself a ****** normie!

Because I am. I'm learning, but I have nowhere near the knowledge of anyone else in this thread.

That is true, but it was still common back in the days when fansubs were typically the only way to get anime in the US that a lot of fansubbers would take a kid's show and have every character swear like Revy from Black Lagoon.

Now those people do it to Western cartoons and post it on YouTube so little kids can find it and learn swear words. 

[Matti]

Now those people do it to Western cartoons and post it on YouTube so little kids can find it and learn swear words.

I learned swearing just by listening my father ::)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Now those people do it to Western cartoons and post it on YouTube so little kids can find it and learn swear words.

Back when I was that age, I had to learn swear words from other kids at school.

[Weirdo]

Isn't progress a wonderful thing?

[pheonixstorm]

hehe

Curse like a sailor, Spongebob edition!

[MadCapellan]

Because I am. I'm learning, but I have nowhere near the knowledge of anyone else in this thread.

That's okay, we'll get you leveled up in no time! Soon your ability to relate to normal people will be completely ruined!

[Weirdo]

Normal...people...?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

As Trillian put it "we will be returning to normal just as soon as we figure out what 'normal' is."

[Matti]

As one Finnish man put it: "We humans are so different that normal human don't exist."

[Bedwyr]

I'm going through Gundam Origins right now on Bluray. Have episodes 5 and 6 been translated? I don't watch a lot of anime so I'm pretty ignorant of the speed of dubs and exports.

[MadCapellan]

I'm going through Gundam Origins right now on Bluray. Have episodes 5 and 6 been translated? I don't watch a lot of anime so I'm pretty ignorant of the speed of dubs and exports.

Episodes 5 & 6 have at least been streamed in English, but there's no Western release announced yet, that I have seen. I'm sure Rightstuf will release it eventually.

[Darth Nichos]

The entire series in on Hulu currently; both Sub and Dub

[Istal_Devalis]

Yeah, that really sort of defeats the purpose of a translation, doesn't it? Certainly, I think there are a number of Japanese words that just aren't easily translated into a single English word equivalent, but was a lot more prevalent in fansubs than the language dictates.

Most recent example...a scanlation insisting on using 'kaa-san' and 'too-san' when talking to his mom and dad instead of...you know, Mom and Dad.

[MadCapellan]

All according to keikaku it seems.....

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Most recent example...a scanlation insisting on using 'kaa-san' and 'too-san' when talking to his mom and dad instead of...you know, Mom and Dad.

What a baka.

Anyway, decided to rewatch Last Exile.  Haven't seen it since it was new.