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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #450 on: 17 October 2018, 06:54:06 »
Just watched the first episode of Goblin Slayer...and I have to wonder about the complaints on the goblins...how many gaming sessions have anything other than goblins portrayed as they are here, if not less of a threat because they are less cunning than as shown here?

For my part, my complaint wasn't about these goblins specifically, but pure evil vermin as villains in general. I'm not much of a D&D guy, but even when I've DMed I'd never had goblins or orcs as the primary villains because I felt that sounds pretty boring. I've only ever used them as muscle for a more interesting villain...

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #451 on: 17 October 2018, 11:25:16 »
Just watched the first episode of Goblin Slayer...and I have to wonder about the complaints on the goblins...how many gaming sessions have anything other than goblins portrayed as they are here, if not less of a threat because they are less cunning than as shown here? (Ref: Pathfinder Goblins for the most part)...it's been a staple of rog's for years, and that is what this series appears to be at its heart...an rpg set to screen or images in a manga...
Just because something's been a staple, doesnt mean it makes for good writing. And my gaming sessions didnt tend to have gang rape of captured female characters, either.

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #452 on: 17 October 2018, 11:33:04 »
I just found Goblin Slayer hard to read. Graphic violence for maximum shock value isn't my thing. I found Attack on Titan to be a slog as well, for the same reason. But the difference was the mystery element in AoT that made me wonder what was going on. Must... open... the basement...


But in I Was Reincarnated As A Slime... OMG, it is SO ADORABLE. Not just the slime, of course, - who is very expressive for an invertebrate blob! - but the tsuntsun dragon wrung several laughs out of me. If you ignore the first six minutes or so, which is just typical and boring "How I died" nonsense aside from the dying request to destroy his hard drive (and presumably all the vile porn on there), it's pretty great so far.

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #453 on: 17 October 2018, 11:59:43 »
Just because something's been a staple, doesnt mean it makes for good writing. And my gaming sessions didnt tend to have gang rape of captured female characters, either.

Notice I didn't say anything about that last bit...also, never said it was good writing, but sometimes you just want a bit of RPG-like shows...

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #454 on: 17 October 2018, 12:49:05 »
Notice I didn't say anything about that last bit...also, never said it was good writing, but sometimes you just want a bit of RPG-like shows...
There's been a lot of them the last few years, though. Overlord especially comes to mind as a superior example - hell, they even talk about Control Weather as a Fifth level (sorry, 'tier') spell. Danmachi, Konosuba, Maoyu, In Another World With My Smartphone, and I'm sure a half-dozen that I can't remember right now all are RPG-like shows. Even in the current season, "I was Reincarnated as a Slime" is in the same category, as is Merc Storia.

As for shows that have strong fantasy elements, there's Youjo Senki, Made in Abyss, A Certain Magical Index, Flying Witch, Ancient Magus' Bride, Witch Craft Works, Gate: The JSDF Fought There, Devil is a Part-Timer, and other stuff that doesn't come to mind but I'm sure exists.


The only thing that makes Goblin Slayer stand out is its edgelord, gratuitous nature. If you enjoy that, that's fine - we all want some gratuity now and again. But it's not unique or interesting aside from that.

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #455 on: 17 October 2018, 12:52:36 »
There's been a lot of them the last few years, though. Overlord especially comes to mind as a superior example - hell, they even talk about Control Weather as a Fifth level (sorry, 'tier') spell. Danmachi, Konosuba, Maoyu, In Another World With My Smartphone, and I'm sure a half-dozen that I can't remember right now all are RPG-like shows. Even in the current season, "I was Reincarnated as a Slime" is in the same category, as is Merc Storia.

The term typically used is lit-RPG.  And it's a genre that I rather detest due to how overused it is.

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #456 on: 17 October 2018, 13:39:03 »
... uh, then wait until Kumo desu ga, nani ka? hits the screens.

That basically consists panel-to-panel only of skill trees, min-maxing, job selection, evolving the character along a set tree that the player-character is fully knowledgable of...

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« Reply #457 on: 17 October 2018, 13:40:17 »
The term typically used is lit-RPG.  And it's a genre that I rather detest due to how overused it is.
It can be good depending on how it's written. I liked Maoyu for its inversion - the Devil Overlord is tired of the endless battle and wants to improve humanity's stature so that it doesn't NEED to wage war just to get ahead, and recruits the Hero as the strongest human to aid her.

If only the anime didn't turn into an endless joke about her boobs... *sigh*

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« Reply #458 on: 17 October 2018, 13:47:07 »
It CAN be good, but the vast majority of works are just lazy attempts to slap RPG mechanics onto a fantasy world in place of trying to do actual world-building.

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« Reply #459 on: 17 October 2018, 14:20:57 »
... uh, then wait until Kumo desu ga, nani ka? hits the screens.

That basically consists panel-to-panel only of skill trees, min-maxing, job selection, evolving the character along a set tree that the player-character is fully knowledgable of...
Well at least I get the feeling that she has a harder time then our current adorable slime.

But I do hope that we get some actual human interaction soon...
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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #460 on: 17 October 2018, 14:23:18 »
It CAN be good, but the vast majority of works are just lazy attempts to slap RPG mechanics onto a fantasy world in place of trying to do actual world-building.
Agreed, and it's especially bad when you combine isekai stuff in there where the hero's "power" is that he knows it's a game, similar to Konosuba or that smartphone one.

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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #461 on: 17 October 2018, 14:29:37 »
It can be good depending on how it's written. I liked Maoyu for its inversion - the Devil Overlord is tired of the endless battle and wants to improve humanity's stature so that it doesn't NEED to wage war just to get ahead, and recruits the Hero as the strongest human to aid her.

If only the anime didn't turn into an endless joke about her boobs... *sigh*

Was there a manga? I loved the anime's story and concept.
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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #462 on: 17 October 2018, 14:33:20 »
Was there a manga?
... 44 volumes in five series. The main series with 18 volumes seems to be available in English.

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« Reply #463 on: 17 October 2018, 14:37:09 »
Did it go farther than the anime? My one beef with the show was that it ended at an unsatisfying place, right after that one maid's near-execution.
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Re: The Anime M@sterthread - Platinum is a Full Metal Panic Edition
« Reply #464 on: 17 October 2018, 14:55:35 »
Agreed, and it's especially bad when you combine isekai stuff in there where the hero's "power" is that he knows it's a game, similar to Konosuba or that smartphone one.

To be fair, Konosuba has almost nothing to do with fantasy or adventure & everything to do with the humor arising from everyone being completely awful!   ;D

In Another World With My Smartphone, however..... xp

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« Reply #465 on: 17 October 2018, 15:01:20 »
In Another World With My Smartphone, however..... xp
Isn't that anime universally judged to be the worst isekai so far?
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« Reply #466 on: 17 October 2018, 15:09:19 »
Isn't that anime universally judged to be the worst isekai so far?
Nah, Hyakuren no Haou to Seiyaku no Valkyria ("The Master of Ragnarok & Blesser of Einherjar" - and yes, those two titles seemingly have nothing to do with each other) last season handily beat it on that.

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« Reply #467 on: 17 October 2018, 15:15:45 »
Agreed, and it's especially bad when you combine isekai stuff in there where the hero's "power" is that he knows it's a game, similar to Konosuba or that smartphone one.

Yup.  Not only that, but the hero starts out with 15 free levels and epic tier equipment while everyone else is stuck with equipment they had to buy or make themselves and leveled up the old fashioned way.  It's the ultimate otaku fantasy.

Hmm probably why one of the few isekai animes that I actually liked was The Ambition of Oda Nobuna: the main character was, in fact, as good in a fight as you'd expect from a teenage otaku with no skills or training and was only able to contribute through his knowledge, which made things difficult as history changed more and more due to his actions.

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« Reply #468 on: 17 October 2018, 16:13:06 »
Smartphone isn't as bad later in the books. At least the world building continues and expands on the details and history, though the MC is still OP as hell.

Maoyu... I enjoyed the single season but it really really annoys me when shows get rolling and get deeper into the story then... nothing. Its over.

Also no one has mentioned Log Horizon yet... Makes me sad :'(

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« Reply #469 on: 18 October 2018, 10:17:16 »
Isn't that anime universally judged to be the worst isekai so far?
Just wait until RE:Monster shows up.

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« Reply #470 on: 18 October 2018, 10:18:00 »
Maoyu... I enjoyed the single season but it really really annoys me when shows get rolling and get deeper into the story then... nothing. Its over.

Also no one has mentioned Log Horizon yet... Makes me sad :'(
I imagine at least seeing more of either title could be because of the author's tax issues from a few years ago. Though they have been cleared up, as I mentioned in the Anime thread earlier this year:
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« Reply #471 on: 18 October 2018, 10:34:09 »
I imagine at least seeing more of either title could be because of the author's tax issues from a few years ago.
Kadokawa basically suspended him for the duration of his probation, picking up work on physically publishing of volume 11 of Log Horizon in January 2018 again.

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« Reply #472 on: 18 October 2018, 12:34:02 »
Did it go farther than the anime? My one beef with the show was that it ended at an unsatisfying place, right after that one maid's near-execution.
I think that happens at like volume 4 or 5 in the manga. So yes, much farther. Some neat worldbuilding happens after that, too.

Man, that anime was so half-assed on so many levels. I forgot that's where it ended.

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« Reply #473 on: 18 October 2018, 13:57:39 »
About Maou
Did it go farther than the anime? My one beef with the show was that it ended at an unsatisfying place, right after that one maid's near-execution.
More like attempted murder. Good thing Soldier was around. I liked his fighting more than Knight's crazy Jedi jumping.
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« Reply #474 on: 19 October 2018, 09:13:07 »
Just watched the first episode of Goblin Slayer...and I have to wonder about the complaints on the goblins...how many gaming sessions have anything other than goblins portrayed as they are here, if not less of a threat because they are less cunning than as shown here? (Ref: Pathfinder Goblins for the most part)...it's been a staple of rog's for years, and that is what this series appears to be at its heart...an rpg set to screen or images in a manga...


I think (from what I'm hearing anyway) is that one of the big complaints on Goblin Slayer was that it was mislabeled by streaming services as being rated PG, and that people were caught off guard when it was decidedly *not*.
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« Reply #475 on: 19 October 2018, 09:57:19 »
I think (from what I'm hearing anyway) is that one of the big complaints on Goblin Slayer was that it was mislabeled by streaming services as being rated PG, and that people were caught off guard when it was decidedly *not*.

That I could understand and agree with...

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« Reply #476 on: 19 October 2018, 11:22:59 »
That I could understand and agree with...

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« Reply #477 on: 19 October 2018, 11:59:00 »
Reminds me of all the ecchi shows that were somehow given TV-14 ratings for their US releases despite the rampant nudity.

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« Reply #478 on: 19 October 2018, 12:22:33 »
...Or when video rental places but the hentai in the children's section because it was a cartoon.

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« Reply #479 on: 19 October 2018, 13:01:01 »
...Or when video rental places but the hentai in the children's section because it was a cartoon.
I saw this happen multiple times in the 90's...  xp
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