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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #60 on: 30 September 2018, 13:08:26 »
Anyone familiar with a reference for a Lyran mobile structure from Invading Clans or some such?
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #61 on: 02 October 2018, 17:40:29 »
No stats were ever given for the ComStar-produced BattleCobra, were we?
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #62 on: 02 October 2018, 17:47:44 »
No stats were ever given for the ComStar-produced BattleCobra, were we?

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I can only find it on DriveThruRPG.

No stat blocks, but it's more than enough to work back from. I think it's got 17.5 tons of pod space, but I didn't verify it with MML or anything.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #63 on: 03 October 2018, 18:01:06 »
E-CAT35RS203A RS: 3058 Unabridged - Clan 'Mechs, Star League Units, and Battle Armor

I can only find it on DriveThruRPG.

No stat blocks, but it's more than enough to work back from. I think it's got 17.5 tons of pod space, but I didn't verify it with MML or anything.

Awesome! Thank you!
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #64 on: 03 October 2018, 19:19:09 »
E-CAT35RS203A RS: 3058 Unabridged - Clan 'Mechs, Star League Units, and Battle Armor

I can only find it on DriveThruRPG.

No stat blocks, but it's more than enough to work back from. I think it's got 17.5 tons of pod space, but I didn't verify it with MML or anything.

17.5 is correct. there's a fixed DHS in each torso. after ES/FF crits, there are five crits free in each arm, three in the right torso, and two in the center torso

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #65 on: 03 October 2018, 19:20:23 »
I want official art for that one.

No stats were ever given for the ComStar-produced BattleCobra, were we?

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #66 on: 03 October 2018, 19:32:42 »
Its out I think
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #67 on: 03 October 2018, 20:04:09 »
No, the Inner Sphere Battle Cobra uses the same picture as the Clan Battle Cobra.

The thing I find most interesting about it from a thematic sense is how ammo dependent most of the variants are, given that there's only two or three Clan Battle Cobra configurations that mount any ammo-dependent weapons at all.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #68 on: 04 October 2018, 18:00:14 »
I want official art for that one.

If you want something a little different, there's always the original image from Invading Clans. It's less streamlined than the TRO:3058 image. Kind of like a Rakshasa vs. Mad Cat comparison.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #69 on: 04 October 2018, 19:57:52 »
I do have 2 battle cobras in my collection.  One for clan use and 1 for IS use.  Just don't see Comstar duplicating the Battle Cobra to the exact clan standards and looks considering designs like the
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #70 on: 04 October 2018, 21:55:49 »
If you want something a little different, there's always the original image from Invading Clans. It's less streamlined than the TRO:3058 image. Kind of like a Rakshasa vs. Mad Cat comparison.

That's my head cannon, using the Invading Clans angular one as the IS model in the style of the Black Hawk KU, and what resulted in the David White ComStar Battle Cobra commission that hangs above my desktop at home.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #71 on: 06 October 2018, 19:14:16 »
German names were just left as is, since they weren't in english.

And no, it didn't get any weirder when the story talked about the Lyran military in german.

And then we had issues like the Paladin. Which was the German name for the Quickdraw ... I'm just happy this stupidity ended before the real Paladin got published ...
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #72 on: 09 October 2018, 13:00:46 »
Hedgehog

You can find some information about this at

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hedgehog

and at

http://www.geocities.ws/jymset/SD_Hedgehog.html

and

http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=jello316;id=3;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egeocities%2Ews%2Fjymset%2F

if you're interested, but most of it will probably be superseded or retconned out of existence when CGL finally publish some canon stats.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #73 on: 09 October 2018, 19:08:47 »
You can find some information about this at

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hedgehog

and at

http://www.geocities.ws/jymset/SD_Hedgehog.html

and

http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=jello316;id=3;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egeocities%2Ews%2Fjymset%2F

if you're interested, but most of it will probably be superseded or retconned out of existence when CGL finally publish some canon stats.

I am very interested! Things like this are why I made this thread; to draw attention to all the great stuff we having floating around that could easily be shoe-horned into the back of a new, even-passingly-appropriate product.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #74 on: 09 October 2018, 20:32:48 »
if you're interested, but most of it will probably be superseded or retconned out of existence when CGL finally publish some canon stats.

As it stands, the old Hedgehog stats don't actually work with the Tripod rules
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #75 on: 13 October 2018, 17:30:13 »
One of the entries in the Primitives series of XTROs (the Hurricane conventional fighter, I think) mentions the first true Aerospace Fighter, the Chimera, designed by Martinson Armaments. I don't think that's ever been statted out, and it doesn't appear on the MUL.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #76 on: 13 October 2018, 17:45:08 »
As it stands, the old Hedgehog stats don't actually work with the Tripod rules
Should be easy conversion though.
I'll see what i can do and post it to fan designs section.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #77 on: 21 October 2018, 20:42:50 »
One of the entries in the Primitives series of XTROs (the Hurricane conventional fighter, I think) mentions the first true Aerospace Fighter, the Chimera, designed by Martinson Armaments. I don't think that's ever been statted out, and it doesn't appear on the MUL.

Nice catch! Added!
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These, in the day when heaven was falling,      Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
The hour when earth's foundations fled,         They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
Followed their mercenary calling,               What God abandoned, these defended,
And took their wages, and are dead.             And saved the sum of things for pay.
     
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #78 on: 22 October 2018, 00:22:41 »
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #79 on: 22 October 2018, 09:16:24 »
I thought the Hurricane stats were disappointing.  I always thought they CGL or whoever could came up with primitive (easily obsoleted) guided missiles for air-to-air combat. Who in world fires Rockets at aircraft in air-to-air combat??  That's like setting off fireworks hoping to catch passing military jet.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #80 on: 22 October 2018, 11:20:11 »
Typical line is that ECM/countermeasures had taken such a leap that it rendered things like a AIM-9 series Sidewinder or AIM-120 to be hit or miss.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #81 on: 22 October 2018, 11:35:48 »
There were quite a few fighters from the '50s that carried rockets as a primary armament for air-to-air combat, like versions of the F-86, F-89, Some YaKs (IIRC YaK-25 maybe?) etc. The M3e.262 carried rockets for use against bombers, and some German fighters carried mortar launchers for the same purpose. Granted these were intended for use against heavy bombers, but the concept is not unknown.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #82 on: 22 October 2018, 15:24:02 »
Typical line is that ECM/countermeasures had taken such a leap that it rendered things like a AIM-9 series Sidewinder or AIM-120 to be hit or miss.
I know. I've heard that line before. I kinda think it's weak one that never been supported by any canon source. I wish they would because even very weak laser would AT LEAST make you feel like your in the future vs 1950s revisited military technology.  Enough my below hardness on it. 

Wasn't there Submarines mentioned in the TRO:3085 (yes I got no books on me right now) that were mentioned in fluff, but not in entry?
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #83 on: 22 October 2018, 15:39:10 »
TRO 3085 Supplemental has stats for two types of subs.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #84 on: 22 October 2018, 16:33:37 »
You talking about the Blakist Wyrms that were on Terra?

If so they were in Hotspots by what I can find.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #85 on: 23 October 2018, 16:13:32 »
There were quite a few fighters from the '50s that carried rockets as a primary armament for air-to-air combat, like versions of the F-86, F-89, Some YaKs (IIRC YaK-25 maybe?) etc. The M3e.262 carried rockets for use against bombers, and some German fighters carried mortar launchers for the same purpose. Granted these were intended for use against heavy bombers, but the concept is not unknown.

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Those were all intended not just for use against heavy bombers, but for use against large formations of heavy bombers. The mortar launchers in particular were hideously inaccurate, with entire squadrons firing them en masse at the bomber boxes in hopes of scoring a few hits - in fact if one were to try and convert them to BT use, the best way would probably as one-shot artillery weapons capable of targetting air hexes, complete with scattering and all. Plus, the Me-262´s rocket and the mortar launchers were external payloads, not hard-mounted weapons, and the aircraft carrying them had to be escorted themselves because of how slow and clumsy those payloads made them.

(Humorous side note: I just noticed I wrote "one-shit" instead of "one-shot", which for the mortar launcher is not all that inaccurate)
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #86 on: 23 October 2018, 16:27:13 »
I know. I've heard that line before. I kinda think it's weak one that never been supported by any canon source.

Era Report 2750 specifically gives the inherent ECM of combat units as the reason TAG has to be star league tech instead of just a basic spotting laser. Even the basic electronic warfare systems of a succession wars era battlemech are able to defeat a spotting laser using decoy beams, and it requires a star league level computer control system to adjust the beam fast enough (as well as sending targeting data back to the missile fast enough) in order to counter it.

Though in the case of air to air missiles, I'd suspect ECM wouldn't be a concern as much as improved armor.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #87 on: 23 October 2018, 21:18:52 »
So... How does the Recon Camera work again?  ???

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« Reply #88 on: 23 October 2018, 21:23:20 »
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #89 on: 23 October 2018, 22:11:48 »
So... How does the Recon Camera work again?  ???

In what context?
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