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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #720 on: 27 March 2020, 23:11:34 »
Was the Grand Crusader II OmniMech mentioned yet. Development was abandoned for the Celestial Series OmniMechs
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #721 on: 28 March 2020, 02:56:17 »
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the [/i]Corsair... a Corsair. Meaning, a "generic Periphery term referring to heavy and assault class FrankenMechs."

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95-ton FrankenMech "Redemption", arguably a Corsair but not explicitly named as such

And I never heard of such a specific "periphery term". Source?

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #722 on: 28 March 2020, 09:24:28 »
Sarna notes that Redemption and Malice also mentions another 'Mech, the Slither.

Any details given?

Was the Grand Crusader II OmniMech mentioned yet. Development was abandoned for the Celestial Series OmniMechs

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #723 on: 28 March 2020, 14:21:59 »
Any details given?

Book only says

"One was the upper torso of a Vulcan and the legs of a Rim Worlds Slither"

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #724 on: 30 March 2020, 09:10:37 »
And I never heard of such a specific "periphery term". Source?

The Corsair fluff from MWO:  https://mwomercs.com/news/2018/11/2179-corsair-lore

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #725 on: 30 March 2020, 09:35:35 »
Any MWO source isnt canon unless CGL puts it out.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #726 on: 30 March 2020, 11:09:05 »
CGL already said they won't out of legal caution. Same reason why they won't touch fan designs. Only reason we more recently got a few MW4 looking mech is because MW4 became abandon-were.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #727 on: 30 March 2020, 11:12:24 »
CGL already said they won't out of legal caution. Same reason why they won't touch fan designs. Only reason we more recently got a few MW4 looking mech is because MW4 became abandon-were.
MW4 is not abandonware. (Besides, that isn't really a legal concept.)
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« Reply #728 on: 30 March 2020, 11:38:41 »
CGL already said they won't out of legal caution. Same reason why they won't touch fan designs. Only reason we more recently got a few MW4 looking mech is because MW4 became abandon-were.

 . . . the artist for MW4 designs, David White, has worked for CGL?
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #729 on: 30 March 2020, 12:05:46 »

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #730 on: 30 March 2020, 12:25:32 »
Which is why I said that- he also worked on MWDA mechs IIRC, which is why we had a Black Knight that looked pretty close- same for the Thor II/Grand Summoner.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #731 on: 30 March 2020, 12:45:09 »
And the Arctic Wolf II
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #732 on: 30 March 2020, 12:52:23 »
Which is why I said that- he also worked on MWDA mechs IIRC, which is why we had a Black Knight that looked pretty close- same for the Thor II/Grand Summoner.

That was another artist, Brent Evans who also worked on TRO 3075. While David White's work on MW4 influenced the look of many MWDA mechs like the Thor, Mad Dog and Black Knight, I have yet to see anything credited to David White directly outside of later TROs post WK reintroducing those mechs.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #733 on: 30 March 2020, 12:55:47 »
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Works_by_David_White

I felt like he did a brilliant job for TRO:3145 Federated Suns.

His Gunsmith, Vulpes, Black Knight, and Atlas III all really hit the mark for me.

I also liked the Zibler Strike tank and a few other of the vehicles as well.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #734 on: 30 March 2020, 20:26:25 »
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Works_by_David_White

OHHHH he's the one who made the Hoplite and Firefly look cool! (granted they're SLE/Clan versions, so they are cooler by default  ;) )
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #735 on: 30 March 2020, 21:09:28 »
OHHHH he's the one who made the Hoplite and Firefly look cool! (granted they're SLE/Clan versions, so they are cooler by default  ;) )
Those two really need minis based on White's work...
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #736 on: 30 March 2020, 21:11:27 »
I'm a bigger fan of David White's art than the MWO art, by a long shot.

The nuseen fit in the middle - more greeblie than White, but not as busy or as similar as MWO. If you have trouble telling the difference between a Firestarter, Enforcer, and Vindicator ...
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #737 on: 01 April 2020, 04:08:13 »
Add in a unknown Nova config from the Luthien scenario book pg 43, bottom right.  A DC Slayer is donating a lot of missiles to the poor Jaguar (Mech is named Luvbug? and has 'hate' spelled out on the fingers of the right hand?) who might be on fire from the attention.  The right shoulder has a 4 missile rack and the arm looks like it has the ERML set up of the Prime but I can only see 3 . . . this does not match ANY canon (or even really close) Nova configs.  At a guess . . . 4 ERML on each arm, SSRM4 on the RT, and add a DHS . . . but you cannot see the same position on the LT so it could be a SRM4 on each shoulder and split the ton of ammo.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #738 on: 01 April 2020, 08:50:11 »
Omni loadouts seem rather pedantic given the nature of them.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #739 on: 01 April 2020, 10:18:59 »
The Luthien book is also noted as one of the most error prone books of the FASA era due to the rush to get it published.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #740 on: 01 April 2020, 11:38:48 »
Not saying too much against that Kit, but its still a very different load for the Nova than we get- I like that sort of load out on the Pouncer, figure it would work well on a Nova since its more robust.

I agree SteelRaven, but its art with most the details right . . . not saying the elite Jag & Nova Cat clusters are 3/4 skills or forgetting Leo Showers was a Jaguar Khan at the time the invasion started.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #741 on: 01 April 2020, 12:05:29 »
Those two really need minis based on White's work...
Something about the 3050 art for the Firefly calls to me more than the OK Firefly.  Though the Wolverine II is still my favourite.

And don't we now have a sheet for the missig Firefly variant?
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #742 on: 01 April 2020, 13:24:59 »
Something about the 3050 art for the Firefly calls to me more than the OK Firefly.  Though the Wolverine II is still my favourite.

And don't we now have a sheet for the missig Firefly variant?
RSSW has the original Firefly (3-something) that was referred to in HOK.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #743 on: 03 April 2020, 12:24:47 »
Add in a unknown Nova config from the Luthien scenario book pg 43, bottom right.  A DC Slayer is donating a lot of missiles to the poor Jaguar (Mech is named Luvbug? and has 'hate' spelled out on the fingers of the right hand?) who might be on fire from the attention.  The right shoulder has a 4 missile rack and the arm looks like it has the ERML set up of the Prime but I can only see 3 . . . this does not match ANY canon (or even really close) Nova configs.  At a guess . . . 4 ERML on each arm, SSRM4 on the RT, and add a DHS . . . but you cannot see the same position on the LT so it could be a SRM4 on each shoulder and split the ton of ammo.

I'll add it. Honestly; to make Omnis seem as unique as they should be; we need more rando-cardrissian comfigurations
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #744 on: 03 April 2020, 13:19:33 »
I still don't get why different Omni loadouts are considered notable here. The whole point of Omni pod space is that it can be whatever configuration you want, as long as it is within tonnage and crit space limits. Why not simply note to Omni space as such regardless of content?
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #745 on: 03 April 2020, 13:32:43 »
i can see the argument for loadouts that exist canonically (even if just in hints and glimpses) vs the infinite possibilities not published in an official source. headcanoning that John Doe runs his own Avatar config vs a novel saying that he definitely does mean two different things.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #746 on: 03 April 2020, 13:48:16 »
I still don't get why different Omni loadouts are considered notable here. The whole point of Omni pod space is that it can be whatever configuration you want, as long as it is within tonnage and crit space limits. Why not simply note to Omni space as such regardless of content?

You have missed the 'canon only' discussions and overboard official reactions to anything hinting at a mech or vehicle's loadout in a topic?

Its art, so its canon (as flimsy as art is) and one we lack a sheet for . . . as someone pointed out, being Omni only counts for meta/strategic game purposes- a RS from a Omni is no different than a standard mech.
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #747 on: 23 April 2020, 12:23:06 »
Added the UL-14 Bulldozer: TRO:VA(R) p. 34

And Gulf Breeze "Capital Station" 930,000T; 5x Wheelers, from Touring the Stars: Gulf Breeze, P.12
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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #748 on: 03 May 2020, 11:28:11 »
I don't see the Hessen Heavy Tank here. The MUL says it is from the Age of War and appears in XTRO Primitives 3, but has no other data on it at all.

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Re: The *literally* Never-Seen
« Reply #749 on: 03 May 2020, 13:04:54 »
Avalonmax-class freighters noted (not seen/no states) in Touring the Stars: Rigil Kentarus.
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