The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee

[VhenRa]

We did the sensible thing after the jihad and let them cosy up with the capelleans. Let the Liaos suck on that poisonous pill for a while

Something kinda annoyed at, because in one of the Dark Age books the leader of Andurien spends most of a scene insulting the Capellans and Canopians, calling the latter a suburb of the former, with the only difference being better finger food.

Then few years later, complete about face.

Edit: At least IIRC.

[Sartris]

That sounds like completely credulous behavior for the aneurisms to me  ;D

Edit: it autocorrected anduriens to aneurisms. That’s appropriate. I’ll leave it as-is

I really, really wish they'd not disbanded the league after the "Jihad" event. One of the worst things about Dark Age for me was almost no FWL existing in any way. I also liked *actual* House Marik, and not the clone/copy Thomas Marik. Killing off the house shortly after reunifying the League and giving it over to the posers was equally irritating. :|

Made sense to me. You had provincial bitterness over a decades long program of centralization overlaid onto centuries of bitterness over the Marik monopolization of the executive office. Then that man behind  turned out a fake leader? And then later the actual Marik turned out to be the mastermind behind the most calamitous conflict since the Second Succession War? No wonder the Regulans jumped ship and only returned by force. It was really only an existential crisis from the marauding Wolves that ultimately got the band back together

In my mind the FWL breaking up was one of the most plausible outcomes of the Jihad. The other houses not severely fracturing in some way by this point are the real outliers

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

That sounds like completely credulous behavior for the aneurisms to me  ;D

Made sense to me. You had provincial bitterness over a decades long program of centralization overlaid onto centuries of bitterness over the Marik monopolization of the executive office. Then that man behind  turned out a fake leader? And then later the actual Marik turned out to be the mastermind behind the most calamitous conflict since the Second Succession War? No wonder the Regulans jumped ship and only returned by force. It was really only an existential crisis from the marauding Wolves that ultimately got the band back together

In my mind the FWL breaking up was one of the most plausible outcomes of the Jihad. The other houses not severely fracturing in some way by this point are the real outliers

To be fair, I should also point out that I really disliked the entire storyline from MW:DA / AoD, that was just the worst thing about it. Jihad and what not, also felt very contrived. It didn't feel like a natural growth of the story, it felt like something they wanted as a means of hitting the reset button on things, and rather than rebooting, they decided to take that route. This isn't a criticism towards anyone who liked it, we all like different things, but it definitely left me more than a little disappointed as a whole on how they've handled things.

But who knows, maybe things can only get better from here on out.

Except for the fact that the Wolves control the Marik-Stewart Commonwealth, and major pieces of the FWL aren't attached to it anymore, lol

[Starfury]

Things can only get better since Clan Wolf, Clan Jade Falcon and the Republic are fighting to become the next IlClan.  The League's main issues right now are the invasion of the Marian Hegemony by the the Dcuhy of Tamarind Abbey, and not making PPC equipped awesomes.

[Colt Ward]

Something kinda annoyed at, because in one of the Dark Age books the leader of Andurien spends most of a scene insulting the Capellans and Canopians, calling the latter a suburb of the former, with the only difference being better finger food.

Then few years later, complete about face.

Edit: At least IIRC.

This was a front to the Oriente rep I believe.  But it also shows realpolitik . . . cozy up to one to avoid getting absorbed by the other.  Notice Daoshen still took worlds to check Oriente's attack after the Republic false flag.

BRB- did you read the final MWDA novels?

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

This was a front to the Oriente rep I believe.  But it also shows realpolitik . . . cozy up to one to avoid getting absorbed by the other.  Notice Daoshen still took worlds to check Oriente's attack after the Republic false flag.

BRB- did you read the final MWDA novels?

Can't say that I have. I'm somewhat aware of the events of the latest stuff. I'm playing a bit of catchup at the moment. The MWDA novels were at times... disappointing enough that I didn't follow them like I used to follow the old BT novels, lol

[Colt Ward]

Oh absolutely, I can think of four off the top of my head to avoid- unfortunately three mar a staple character of the Dark Ages.

But some in the late teens and I think 21-24 deal with the FWL arc and how the band got back together.  Then Bonfire caps it off . . .

For what its worth, Jessica Halas-Marik was the ONLY royal of the Dark Ages timeline doing her duty . . . though the Centrella-Liaos can claim partial credit.

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

Oh absolutely, I can think of four off the top of my head to avoid- unfortunately three mar a staple character of the Dark Ages.

But some in the late teens and I think 21-24 deal with the FWL arc and how the band got back together.  Then Bonfire caps it off . . .

For what its worth, Jessica Halas-Marik was the ONLY royal of the Dark Ages timeline doing her duty . . . though the Centrella-Liaos can claim partial credit.

Putting the Double's Offspring in charge in terrible, lol. Since they gave insight into what was happening in the League years ago, I'd been rooting for any actual Marik cadet branch family coming back in charge. If I'm not mistaken at this time, they've got everyone back together except for the Andurians and the Marik-Stewart Commonwealth IIRC?

[Deadborder]

The Andurians are out.

The Marik-Stewart Commonwealth is also out simply because it no longer exists. In many ways, it's destruction was a key catalyst for the recreation of the FWL. However, parts of the MSC are in the new FWL.

[Colt Ward]

Putting the Double's Offspring in charge in terrible, lol. Since they gave insight into what was happening in the League years ago, I'd been rooting for any actual Marik cadet branch family coming back in charge. If I'm not mistaken at this time, they've got everyone back together except for the Andurians and the Marik-Stewart Commonwealth IIRC?

Anson had one kid he disowned . . . not expecting much progress from that group, but Keyon does have a position in the government.
Thaddy became an ash-heap back in early 40s and I doubt he had any wild oats
Little bro Frederick hooked up with a cousin of the Hughes who run Irian all the way out in the Rim, expect offspring
Fontaine Marik seems to be a old childless widower . . . with his insights into ruling its hard to believe he and his wife did not have kids, but . . . he did seem to adopt Christopher Halas-Hughes-Marik.

My point was that Jessica had 5 children before the assassin came calling.  Melissa Steiner had none, Trillian seems in no rush, Vincent Kurita did have children but got wiped- Yori has none or even a prospect (which is good for her, she has a expiration date when she pops out a legit heir), Harrison only had nutters Caleb and did not clearly establish ANY law of succession to seat Julian, Daoshen has a single heir who pilots a medium mech on the battlefields but has no consort or heir of her own.

Considering we have had 3 (4 now w/Jessica) head of the Houses die (one had 2 deaths) since the Dark Ages kicked off, you would think the successors would have been taking that duty seriously.

[Scotty]

Thaddeus Marik married Jessica (Halas) Marik, and he formally adopted her children.  Legally, they are 'true' Mariks.  Any other measure is irrelevant.

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

Thaddeus Marik married Jessica (Halas) Marik, and he formally adopted her children.  Legally, they are 'true' Mariks.  Any other measure is irrelevant.

And I can call my cat a dog. It's still a cat. :P

[Sartris]

Thaddeus Marik married Jessica (Halas) Marik, and he formally adopted her children.  Legally, they are 'true' Mariks.  Any other measure is irrelevant.

Legally, yes. Though palace intrigues and cadet branches have rarely been interested in the strictly legal  ;D

“I have the legitimate, legal claim!”
“I have a much flimsier claim, but many more guns. Sign the abdication”

And I can call my cat a dog. It's still a cat. :P

Call it whatever you like. You can make it your legal heir regardless

[VensersRevenge]

Call it whatever you like. You can make it your legal heir regardless

And I would call them successful.

On an unrelated note, I have become more interested in the FWL since reading the Dark Ages material. The variety in commands is coo, especially now that House Davion has had most of its commands killed by disarmament or the conflicts of the Dark Ages. But with the recreation of the League, do you guys think the Marik Militia should be reformed to symbolize the League a truly united state, not just an alliance of smaller states? It might be something to do with the more reasonable Regulans now that they are back under Marik control.

[Colt Ward]

Mrs Hemsley would like a word . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Helmsley#Death

Yeah, I get the legal adoption but its going to be interesting to see if the next generation (Nichol) can make it stick while trying to wield power.  I know some on this topic favor Kenyon putting aside his wife to marry Nikol to mix the Halas-Hughes blood with real Marik.  Elise IIRC was set to spit out a heir when we saw her last in the MWDA novels. Julietta is the one out of that . . . she will be the spinster, her child the Clan Protectorate.

You suggest combing through the Regulan Hussars to reform the majority of the Marik Militia?  Not a bad idea as some of the units originally came from Federal command (Legionnaires IIRC) and if they pull back in the Protectors it would make some sense . . .

[Weirdo]

Put me in the Halas-Marik camp. Thomas gave us the resurgence of the 3040s-3060s, while Thomas Marik gave us...Blakists and Blakist byproducts. The only true Mariks of the 31st century that I respect are the Brett-Mariks of Tamarind.

In the Dark Age, what true Mariks do we have that aren't either militaristic bullies, or do-nothings, much less anyone even remotely capable of achieving what Jessica did?

If nothing they do will turn a cat into a dog, call me a cat person.

[Scotty]

There's also the problematic concept that X or Y lineage makes you 'better' for ruling, which is worryingly racist-adjacent.

The sooner it's expunged as a concept the better.  The only rule of succession that matters is legality, until it's firepower.

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

Put me in the Halas-Marik camp. Thomas gave us the resurgence of the 3040s-3060s, while Thomas Marik gave us...Blakists and Blakist byproducts. The only true Mariks of the 31st century that I respect are the Brett-Mariks of Tamarind.

In the Dark Age, what true Mariks do we have that aren't either militaristic bullies, or do-nothings, much less anyone even remotely capable of achieving what Jessica did?

If nothing they do will turn a cat into a dog, call me a cat person.

How much of that was Comstar, and how much of it was Thomas, would be the question I would ask.

The "Thomas" that ran the FWL, also presided over its decline and disintegration as well.

[Scotty]

How much of that was Comstar, and how much of it was Thomas, would be the question I would ask.

The "Thomas" that ran the FWL, also presided over its decline and disintegration as well.

The false Thomas Marik was in power until 3069; he definitely did not preside over either of those things.

EDIT: looking it up on sarna, his portion of the Jihad was November 3067 to August 3069, a little bit less than two years.

[Sartris]

there was that whole bringing the trojan horse into troy after the schism he presided over...

[Scotty]

there was that whole bringing the trojan horse into troy after the schism he presided over...

To be fair I think forseeing the Jihad in... 3057 was a little bit of a tall order.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Don’t forget you can always use the paint scheme of the Knights of the Inner Sphere. Sure they quite violently got obliterated, betrayed, and sneak attacked but hey they look cool.

[Scotty]

Don’t forget you can always use the paint scheme of the Knights of the Inner Sphere. Sure they quite violently got obliterated, betrayed, and sneak attacked but hey they look cool.

For all of your Knights of the Inner Sphere in-looks-if-not-in-practice, you also have the RotS Principes Guards.

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

For all of your Knights of the Inner Sphere in-looks-if-not-in-practice, you also have the RotS Principes Guards.

I almost want the Clans to win, if only to finish scouring the IS of the RotS.

I'm gonna have enough mechs to build multiple units from the FWLM. I'm wondering if I should do a custom unit too, but again, colour schemes are terrible to try to come up with, lmao.

[Scotty]

I almost want the Clans to win, if only to finish scouring the IS of the RotS.

I'm gonna have enough mechs to build multiple units from the FWLM. I'm wondering if I should do a custom unit too, but again, colour schemes are terrible to try to come up with, lmao.

The Covenant Guards (my current avatar image) have a sick unit scheme, if you're looking for one.

[The_Big_Red_Bear]

The Covenant Guards (my current avatar image) have a sick unit scheme, if you're looking for one.

I love the FWL, and I hate purple. XD

[Deadborder]

I love the FWL, and I hate purple. XD

That leaves you with Oriente and Regulus

[worktroll]

Stewart Dragoons - grey & red (just posted some pics in the Minis forum.)

Orloff Guards - green & dark green

Fusiliers of Oriente - green on green.

Oriente- green on brown

We got you covered :)

[Dies Irae]

So... I'm feeling the itch to pain up another batch of purple again, and just for accuracy's sake... did the Marik Protectors go back to using the Purple with Blue and Red accents again?

I seem to remember a few radical changes in the wake of the League's temporary demise with sky blues and slate greys and silver and red.

[Colt Ward]

I know the topic came up, you will have to check in FM3145 which is different than the Spotlight on paint scheme.  Unfortunately my toddler contributed to the breaking of my Kindle so I do not have the information at hand.