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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #30 on: 02 November 2018, 09:50:35 »
Where this information about it's destruction?

The Quicksilver Mongoose is described in TRO 3075, Era Digest: Golden Century and TRO Golden Century. Anything else is just conjecture.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #31 on: 02 November 2018, 10:20:03 »
At least one WarShip in TRO Golden Century!

Not confirmed, because Kit is the Precentor of Lies!

ED Golden Century is pretty clear. Crippled, and drifted out of the system. The odds of anyone finding it are literally astronomical. The odds of said locating party having the resources AND will to recover it are similarly low given how seriously Battletech interstellar powers take their interstellar bits(translation: not at all). Unless the writers want to pull off another Invincible...it's gone forever.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #32 on: 02 November 2018, 11:07:54 »
At least one WarShip in TRO Golden Century!

Not confirmed, because Kit is the Precentor of Lies!

ED Golden Century is pretty clear. Crippled, and drifted out of the system. The odds of anyone finding it are literally astronomical. The odds of said locating party having the resources AND will to recover it are similarly low given how seriously Battletech interstellar powers take their interstellar bits(translation: not at all). Unless the writers want to pull off another Invincible...it's gone forever.

soo.. Quicksilver Mongoose, Society Flagship confirmed?  :))

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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #33 on: 02 November 2018, 11:09:29 »
soo.. Quicksilver Mongoose, Society Flagship confirmed?  :))

Definitely not during the Golden Century!
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #34 on: 02 November 2018, 11:13:37 »
Wait is if thought that TRO golden century was still on the drawing board? Also with the pounding that the jag navy took why wouldn’t they try to save the mongoose for a rainy day?

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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #35 on: 02 November 2018, 11:16:16 »
Wait is if thought that TRO golden century was still on the drawing board? Also with the pounding that the jag navy took why wouldn’t they try to save the mongoose for a rainy day?

Because they used it as a core charge to get some replacement ships from the Clan mothballs. Besides, it's like saving that totaled car for a rainy day.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #36 on: 02 November 2018, 11:48:01 »
Wait is if thought that TRO golden century was still on the drawing board? Also with the pounding that the jag navy took why wouldn’t they try to save the mongoose for a rainy day?

Firstly, the Jags have never been a strong industrial power, relying on combat to get the resources they need. They may not have the facilities to repair that ship, and they certainly don't have any friends willing to help them do it.

The second reason is psychological, and far more important. Clan Smoke Jaguar is the ultimate distillation of the Might Makes Right philosophy of the Clans, and the Mongooses were defeated. Therefore they and everything they made is Wrong. Individual warriors might be more pragmatic, but there's no way the  Clan's leadership would allow the Mongoose to be put back into service, same way they refused to use any of the Mongoose bloodlines they now owned.

It would still be their property though, so they'd fight bitterly to makesure nobody else used the ship either.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #37 on: 02 November 2018, 12:07:23 »
But it would be drifting in the black for nearly a hundred years before a Society survey team managed to detect it with the jumpship that had been following its outbound course . . . how would the Jaguars know . . . *que Twilight Zone intro*

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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #38 on: 02 November 2018, 12:17:54 »
TRO 3075 indicates that it was in mothballs. I assume the Jaguars snagged it and towed it back just to make sure nobody else could grab it.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #39 on: 02 November 2018, 12:38:03 »
 Wait, what?
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #40 on: 02 November 2018, 12:51:45 »
Wait, what?

The specific quote:

"Clan records show that it served Clan Mongoose until its demise, being mothballed after its near destruction
by the Smoke Jaguars. It now resides in the Strana Mechty system."

Though I'm guessing its state is less "ready to return to service" and more like the Oriskany before it was disposed of. So decrepit as to be a reasonable place to depict a movie scene set in hell.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #41 on: 02 November 2018, 14:32:29 »
But it would be drifting in the black for nearly a hundred years before a Society survey team managed to detect it with the jumpship that had been following its outbound course . . . how would the Jaguars know . . . *que Twilight Zone intro*

Yeah, I know I am feeding conspiracy trolls!
well i was just joking.. riffing on how during the WoR/Jihad the Society and WoB kept pulling out hardware that was thought long lost or abandoned. (or in the societies case.. represented tech the clans had turned their backs on centuries before)

the idea that the Society went and found an old warship written off as dead, and then did a quick repair job, well it is a stretch for them but we know they have warships (the Peregrine class for example, and they did something to the Ancestral Home.) something as big as a the Mongoose might only have been repaired up to the point of "she'll fly and fight but she's held together with duct tape" but that could still create a lot of chaos during the WoR.

without official word though, it is just a fun speculation.

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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #42 on: 02 November 2018, 14:33:56 »
Hm . . . fast . . . decent armor?  Wonder what it would take to turn her into a fire ship?
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #43 on: 02 November 2018, 14:39:15 »
Hm . . . fast . . . decent armor?  Wonder what it would take to turn her into a fire ship?

Well, you'd need a lot of oxidizer....
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #44 on: 02 November 2018, 14:59:11 »
or lots of OS nuclear tipped capital ship missiles . . . fly right into the oncoming warship & dropship invasion fleet and go Robotech missile swarm
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #45 on: 02 November 2018, 15:19:22 »
well i was just joking.. riffing on how during the WoR/Jihad the Society and WoB kept pulling out hardware that was thought long lost or abandoned. (or in the societies case.. represented tech the clans had turned their backs on centuries before)

the idea that the Society went and found an old warship written off as dead, and then did a quick repair job, well it is a stretch for them but we know they have warships (the Peregrine class for example, and they did something to the Ancestral Home.) something as big as a the Mongoose might only have been repaired up to the point of "she'll fly and fight but she's held together with duct tape" but that could still create a lot of chaos during the WoR.

without official word though, it is just a fun speculation.

I honestly assumed we'd see the Quicksilver Mongoose again precisely because it was mentioned in TRO 3075. I was surprised it didn't turn up during the Wars of Reaving.

I mean, I don't think it should. Based on what we know it seems like you'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to get that girl running again (as bad as the Taurians with the Vandenberg, if the Vandenberg had traded fire with a McKenna before it got mothballed and neglected for centuries). But I kinda expected it.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #46 on: 02 November 2018, 15:55:41 »
Which is why I said fire ship . . . all it has to do is survive to get close.  I mean if the Emerald Talon can become a orbit to surface missile . . .
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« Reply #47 on: 02 November 2018, 16:02:17 »
No capital missile tubes, you'd have to install them to get nuclear capability, which means repairing the systems enough to make sure it can use them. Which could mean a whole lot of work.

Unless you decide to use it to ram somebody. Then it just has to move under its own power fast enough to do so.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #48 on: 03 November 2018, 00:42:51 »
Nah, Crippled ship leading a rag-tag group of Jaguar refugees post Serpent!

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« Reply #49 on: 03 November 2018, 01:18:11 »
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #50 on: 05 November 2018, 17:08:48 »
What the farragut that became the Blakest flagship? Was that restored to original spec or was it modified in some way?

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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #51 on: 05 November 2018, 17:12:08 »
There is no information at all to indicate it is anything other than a stock Farragut.

There is no information at all to indicate it is anything resembling a stock Farragut.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #52 on: 05 November 2018, 21:50:33 »
There is no information at all to indicate it is anything other than a stock Farragut.

There is no information at all to indicate it is anything resembling a stock Farragut.

Lol I bet! If they did upgrade it what tech could it have had? Was the Justice pretty much based on the Terran system? I don’t recall it being in other actions.

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« Reply #53 on: 05 November 2018, 21:56:37 »
I wouldn't be surprised if it got a Lithium Fusion battery.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #54 on: 06 November 2018, 12:22:19 »
Thought the fluff was they found the Fairyguts in the Ruins of Gabriel?
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« Reply #55 on: 07 November 2018, 07:44:32 »
Thought the fluff was they found the Fairyguts in the Ruins of Gabriel?

Whilst that's never been confirmed, that would make the most sense.
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #56 on: 07 November 2018, 11:37:51 »
There is no information at all to indicate it is anything other than a stock Farragut.

There is no information at all to indicate it is anything resembling a stock Farragut.
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« Reply #57 on: 07 November 2018, 11:43:01 »
He was just setting the canon perimeters.
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« Reply #58 on: 07 November 2018, 12:23:27 »
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Re: Upgraded or one off ships better?
« Reply #59 on: 08 November 2018, 11:24:40 »
Hm . . . fast . . . decent armor?  Wonder what it would take to turn her into a fire ship?
Well, you'd need a lot of oxidizer....

Nah. Just a nuclear warhead or two.

 

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