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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #30 on: 21 September 2019, 01:41:26 »
That sounds like one extraordinarily lost Sherman.  Not that it'd be hard in that situation, but weird happens.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #31 on: 21 September 2019, 03:54:02 »
That sounds like one extraordinarily lost Sherman.  Not that it'd be hard in that situation, but weird happens.


There were some amazing "war trophies" kept by units, either "lost" equipment they found, equipment listed as destroyed that then got repaired at a unit level but had already been replaced (perhaps more of an experience for the Allies than German forces!), and captured enemy gear - one example was "Cuckoo" the captured Panther Tank used by the Coldstream Guards (technically an infantry regiment - Foot Guards - but operating as armour).
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #32 on: 21 September 2019, 07:30:23 »

There were some amazing "war trophies" kept by units, either "lost" equipment they found, equipment listed as destroyed that then got repaired at a unit level but had already been replaced (perhaps more of an experience for the Allies than German forces!), and captured enemy gear - one example was "Cuckoo" the captured Panther Tank used by the Coldstream Guards (technically an infantry regiment - Foot Guards - but operating as armour).

Years ago I read a book on the battle at the Chosin Reservoir, at the end of the book it listed the entire MTOE of a combat engineer unit (had nothing really to do with the rest of the book) and it was pretty normal until the last line and it was Sherman Tank Platoon with crews.

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« Reply #33 on: 21 September 2019, 07:48:39 »
On that note, there's actually a 105mm howitzer Sherman at Fort Benning that's had a truly amazing history.  I hope they restore it only to the point of preventing any further deterioration, and let her wear her battle scars with pride.

According to the video:  This tank started with the Americans, and deployed to and fought in Italy during WWII.  It's later given to the Italian army under the mutual-defense programs, and then prior to 1979 is sold to the Iranians and served under the Shah, and then under the Ayatollah.  It goes on to fight against the Iraqis, is captured by their forces, and used against the Iranians.  Then it gets weird - it was still serving with the Iraqis in 1991, and was engaged by forces under 2nd Armored Division, possibly during 3rd Brigade's push through the Battle of 73 Easting or the Battle of Norfolk.  Left behind, it was repaired by the Iraqis and returned to service, reappearing again in 2003 when it was spotted hiding under a bridge and was plinked by a Maverick missile - the splashed damage visible behind the turret is from that hit.  After that, she got brought home.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #34 on: 21 September 2019, 08:54:04 »
On that note, there's actually a 105mm howitzer Sherman at Fort Benning that's had a truly amazing history.  I hope they restore it only to the point of preventing any further deterioration, and let her wear her battle scars with pride.

According to the video:  This tank started with the Americans, and deployed to and fought in Italy during WWII.  It's later given to the Italian army under the mutual-defense programs, and then prior to 1979 is sold to the Iranians and served under the Shah, and then under the Ayatollah.  It goes on to fight against the Iraqis, is captured by their forces, and used against the Iranians.  Then it gets weird - it was still serving with the Iraqis in 1991, and was engaged by forces under 2nd Armored Division, possibly during 3rd Brigade's push through the Battle of 73 Easting or the Battle of Norfolk.  Left behind, it was repaired by the Iraqis and returned to service, reappearing again in 2003 when it was spotted hiding under a bridge and was plinked by a Maverick missile - the splashed damage visible behind the turret is from that hit.  After that, she got brought home.


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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #35 on: 21 September 2019, 09:51:19 »
Didnt some American infantry division practically motorised itself with captured German vehicles?

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #36 on: 21 September 2019, 12:14:15 »
On that note, there's actually a 105mm howitzer Sherman at Fort Benning that's had a truly amazing history.  I hope they restore it only to the point of preventing any further deterioration, and let her wear her battle scars with pride.

According to the video:  This tank started with the Americans, and deployed to and fought in Italy during WWII.  It's later given to the Italian army under the mutual-defense programs, and then prior to 1979 is sold to the Iranians and served under the Shah, and then under the Ayatollah.  It goes on to fight against the Iraqis, is captured by their forces, and used against the Iranians.  Then it gets weird - it was still serving with the Iraqis in 1991, and was engaged by forces under 2nd Armored Division, possibly during 3rd Brigade's push through the Battle of 73 Easting or the Battle of Norfolk.  Left behind, it was repaired by the Iraqis and returned to service, reappearing again in 2003 when it was spotted hiding under a bridge and was plinked by a Maverick missile - the splashed damage visible behind the turret is from that hit.  After that, she got brought home.

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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #37 on: 21 September 2019, 12:21:45 »
Didnt some American infantry division practically motorised itself with captured German vehicles?
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #38 on: 21 September 2019, 14:53:14 »
That sounds like one extraordinarily lost Sherman.  Not that it'd be hard in that situation, but weird happens.
Found it. Though video mentions some variety between different units, it describes that setup as a basic one.
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Re: Armored Fighting Vehicles Version M5 (it is a tradition now)
« Reply #39 on: 21 September 2019, 17:10:58 »
Murphy and Gruyere...that's some frigging history right there... :o
Yeah, that's one of those tanks where as-is preservation rather than restoration is the name of the day.  There's a hell of a story in that armor, let it show!

 

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