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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #690 on: 17 April 2019, 15:30:38 »
Yeah, I did not mean to sound like the US or NATO did not develop nuke warhead torps either-  its just that I do remember that being a 'solution' to NATO carrier battlegroups since their sub's ability to penetrate defenses before the Walkers was . . . less than ideal.  The Soviets would also have had more use for it IMO due to the differences in strategic surface deployments- they had more 'targets' like that than NATO.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #691 on: 18 April 2019, 01:02:39 »
We might keep in mind is that all the video shows is a stationary craft spinning its propeller and moving its fins. That's a long way from operational threat and the Russians... well... they say lots of things.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #692 on: 18 April 2019, 12:48:30 »
So in Brazil, lies perhaps the oldest active warship currently.  The Brazilian River Monitor, Parnaiba.  Commission 1937, she patrols the rivers of Brazil to this very day.  She participated in World War 2, but beyond what she done in action i don't know.  She been updated though the years, given a helicopter deck aft, and her engines were replaced with diesel, but her original reciprocating engine is on display at one of the in a memorial hall.

I found some nice photos of the ship

This is her during early years of service, which i THINK is 1937 when she commissioned in drydock.  You can see a Minas Geraes-class Battleship docked in the background


This is her underway, prior to her current refit.  I believe her old engine in use, way the stack is spewing smoke like that.  Her fantail now covered with helio pad for a Bell Jet Ranger.  Must been tight landing space if i'm reading it right.


This is her today (i believe), looks modern and than other picture above.  Her air vents which were in the middeck are gone.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #693 on: 18 April 2019, 13:03:54 »
Actually . . . this girl is the oldest active warship afloat . . .



Launched in 1797 and in active service until 1881, later designated a museum ship in 1903.  I am not sure if this picture is from '97 or '12 when she is sailing with the US other remaining tall ship the USCGS Eagle.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #694 on: 18 April 2019, 13:25:01 »
And a much earlier shot of her, with the USS Texas and USS New York in Boston.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #695 on: 18 April 2019, 13:54:26 »
She went on a 90(?) port tour of the US in the 30s . . . it would be awesome to see that done again.

And I would assume she went to the West Coast because . . .





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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #696 on: 18 April 2019, 14:20:57 »
The way I understand it, the HMS Victory is the world's oldest commissioned warship, the USS Constitution is the world's oldest commissioned warship afloat, and the Parmaiba is the world's oldest commissioned warship afloat and still in active service doing active missions.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #697 on: 19 April 2019, 14:40:22 »
Both sides deployed nuclear torpedoes during the Cold War.
And gave the order to fire on USS Randolph during the CMC; look up Vasili Arkhipov.

Of course there's all the above-water versions as well, how many of their cruise missiles (including the hypersonic ones) were built to carry an alchemy bomb anyway?


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #698 on: 19 April 2019, 18:13:47 »
Actually . . . this girl is the oldest active warship afloat . . .



Launched in 1797 and in active service until 1881, later designated a museum ship in 1903.  I am not sure if this picture is from '97 or '12 when she is sailing with the US other remaining tall ship the USCGS Eagle.
There is a 50,000 acre forest of oak specifically for her in Indiana.  An impressive amount of work is put into that ship to keep her afloat.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #699 on: 19 April 2019, 21:59:40 »
There is a 50,000 acre forest of oak specifically for her in Indiana.  An impressive amount of work is put into that ship to keep her afloat.

Is it that big?  I knew there was a bunch of oak trees at Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane (or whatever it's called these days), but I didn't realize it was that size.  That's impressive.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #700 on: 19 April 2019, 23:05:05 »
Not everyone of those trees is earmarked for the Constitution. They only need a handful each time she needs a refit, but since what they need is so specific they need that much land to ensure that the trees they do need exist.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #701 on: 20 April 2019, 03:20:06 »
Is it that big?  I knew there was a bunch of oak trees at Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane (or whatever it's called these days), but I didn't realize it was that size.  That's impressive.
There are about 150 trees there that are on a list for the Constitution.  I would imagine the list changes as newer trees hit the 80+ year age and size they want for the ship.  First heard of it in a book "A Most Fortunate Ship."  Not something i expected.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #702 on: 20 April 2019, 05:07:25 »
Makes sense.  I did a little googling, and found this on Constitution:

https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2015/10/08/walking-the-plank/

Specifically the wood planks are triple layer white oak, live oak, and white oak again, boiled in salt water to make them flexible for shaping, and can be between 35 and 60 feet long and up to 7x7 inches in cross section.  And probably can't have knots or flaws in that entire length, which means you need a LOT of carefully grown wood and might end up throwing out the occasional 'almost' board.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #703 on: 20 April 2019, 07:50:54 »
Well, as far sailing ships go.  Nice reproduction that sails is the HMS Surprise.  She a near-exact replica of the 6th-rate frigate, HMS Rose. 
She was renamed by the studio who did Master and Commander film. She currently now owned by the San Diego Maritime Museum.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #704 on: 20 April 2019, 23:29:00 »
I kept wishing they would do one of the other books, but seems its not to be . . .
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #705 on: 22 April 2019, 00:09:16 »
I kept wishing they would do one of the other books, but seems its not to be . . .

They mashed at least two or three books together to make Master and Commander.  I really like that Patrick O'Brian takes all of his naval engagements directly from naval archives and changes the names to suit his story.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #706 on: 22 April 2019, 00:44:20 »
I know they mashed up two . . . unfortunately with where it started we cannot see any of the capers in the Med . . . to be honest, I would have loved the outbreak of the War of 1812.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #707 on: 22 April 2019, 07:55:11 »
USS Enterprise circus 1874...


She in docked at New York Harbor in 1874 here in this picture. This ship wa, a barque-rigged screw sloop.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #708 on: 22 April 2019, 21:24:08 »
Ever wondered what happens when a multibillionaire does when he has too much money?



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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #709 on: 23 April 2019, 21:32:02 »
I'd have kept it as-is for the most part, just...kinda improved the crew habitation some.  ANYONE can have a yacht.  When you've got a warship, that's something.  Even if it was all dummy guns and gear and empty launcher housings, I'd still totes keep it.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #710 on: 23 April 2019, 23:29:13 »
so.. he bought a frigate, gave it a makeover to look like a pair of dollar store sunglasses, and named it "Yas" of all things? guess all that money buys you protection from criticism.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #711 on: 24 April 2019, 02:06:24 »
Only poor people are weird.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #712 on: 24 April 2019, 02:16:53 »
Mo' dollahs than sense.

Also CV-1 Langley.  Kinda neat as the first in service US Carrier.


so.. he bought a frigate, gave it a makeover to look like a pair of dollar store sunglasses, and named it "Yas" of all things? guess all that money buys you protection from criticism.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #713 on: 24 April 2019, 21:27:19 »
so.. he bought a frigate, gave it a makeover to look like a pair of dollar store sunglasses, and named it "Yas" of all things? guess all that money buys you protection from criticism.
He didn't just buy ONE frigate, he bought TWO decommissioned Frigates.
I wagering something didn't go so right for the conversion of HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen, renamed Abu Dhabi and Swift135.  It's Yas's sister ship.
There not lot info on the ship's conversion at them moment from what i can tell..
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #714 on: 24 April 2019, 22:05:20 »
Getting back into pictures.  Tale of a unfortunate ship that sank twice. 


This is the HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën, she was a coastal defense ship for the Netherlands Royal Navy.  This ship operated in the Pacific protecting nation's Dutch East Indies colonies.

She was built in 1909, regarded as a small-cruiser but armored than built for speed.  Her main guns contained pair of single barrel  283 mm cannons mounted in her bow & stern turrets , while rest her guns are spread out the ship.  The ship seem appear to me as more like a cruiseliner than warship if ignore the turrets!

During World War I, the ship was used to escort passenger ships.

The ship was rather bad luck, apparently the dutch navy wasn't treating her crews well, the the  De Zeven Provinciën suffered a mutiny in 1933 with it's mix dutch and Indonesian crew.  Six days later, Dutch Minster of Defense authorized the ship to be bombed by military aircraft, killing 23 of the mutineers.  Ironically, Dutch authorities didn't noticed the glaring problem their ships had against aerial attack.  After the mutiny, the ship would be renamed the Soerabaja.

Soerabajawould be attacked by Japanese forces in 1942, only to be raised and put into service due to it sinking in shallow waters.  However, the ship would again be sank as a floating gunnery battery, but by allied force a year later near the Djamoenjan Reef of the coast of Indonesia.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #715 on: 04 May 2019, 11:23:26 »
Does anyone know of a good online resource for someone looking to paint Royal Navy warships, specifically as they looked in the WWII Mediterranean?
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« Reply #716 on: 04 May 2019, 15:29:20 »
http://www.world-war.co.uk/ has some interesting and well-researched profiles, notably in the Med., in the "Art" section menu at the top right.
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« Reply #717 on: 04 May 2019, 22:10:16 »
Those are pretty cool. Anybody have ones for Victorious and/or Ark Royal?
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #718 on: 05 May 2019, 05:16:01 »
Those are pretty cool. Anybody have ones for Victorious and/or Ark Royal?


I can't find anything with a quick look but the World of Warships forums may have some


I did find this photo of HMS Dreadnought and HMS Victory
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« Reply #719 on: 05 May 2019, 05:24:24 »
Browsing around, this site has some amazing pictures albeit most aren't of ships, they are all impressive and there are some of Marines and the like as well


http://www.womensystems.com/2018/04/50-breathtaking-wwii-colorized-photos.html
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