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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #570 on: 04 March 2019, 02:50:29 »
I'd hate to see what 32pdr would do to a modern aluminum vessel
At minimum it would leave one heck of a dent

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #571 on: 04 March 2019, 05:02:38 »
Two holes - one on the way in and one on the way out the other side.
Incoming fire has the right of way.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #572 on: 04 March 2019, 05:10:05 »
Needs more Warships. 

here have German Battlecruisers

the SMS Molkte



And possibly the prettiest class of ship made in WW1 alongside the original pre-refit Queen Elizabeths and Tiger, the Derrflinger class Battlecruiser

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #573 on: 04 March 2019, 05:28:34 »
That is nice, very modern looking

I believe a Carl Gustaf return fire could react to that faster than the chainball from yonder fort...

If only because you don't have to swab out the Goose and wait for the powder monkey to stick in the charge before loading and tamping, yeah...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #574 on: 10 March 2019, 18:02:44 »
A good yet sad rundown on the USS Texas

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #575 on: 10 March 2019, 23:15:05 »
If only because you don't have to swab out the Goose and wait for the powder monkey to stick in the charge before loading and tamping, yeah...

Why swab out the Goose? It's already a superhero...
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #576 on: 11 March 2019, 07:18:02 »
Photo op of Charles de Gaulle from last week

There are 30 Rafale-Ms, 2 E-2C Hawkeyes, and 2 Eurocopter Dauphins on deck (presumably 1 more chopper taking the shots)


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #577 on: 11 March 2019, 07:58:32 »
That's a lovely picture :)
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #578 on: 11 March 2019, 10:12:31 »
I keep wondering what keeps France from making their second carrier.
They are verge of doing it then something happens. 

I know economy is a factory, but its seems like their going no where with it.

Their last attempt was do a joint project that became Queen Elizabeth II Class CVs, as they would gotten the Third Ship.  It would have been conventional, better than nothing.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #579 on: 11 March 2019, 10:57:51 »
Economy certainly, but I guess there's lots of political infighting everytime it comes up and in the end it gets shoved off onto some comittee so that everyone can forget about it (for a while). ::)

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #580 on: 11 March 2019, 12:54:32 »
They're now already funding studies for deciding how the successor to Charles de Gaulle - to be commissioned around 2030-2035 - will look like. Studies will finish in 2020.

Part of the studies that launched half a year ago is examining how many aircraft carriers will be required for French and European interests:

"Quant au nombre de porte-avions qui pourraient être construits, la ministre ne s’interdit rien. « Par ces études, nous pourrons déterminer, aussi, le nombre d’unités dont la France et l’Europe auront besoin à terme. Ne mettons pas la charrue avant les bœufs, le temps est à la conception, pas encore à déterminer combien de navires sont nécessaires », a-t-elle affirmé."

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #581 on: 11 March 2019, 13:09:27 »
The French were supposed to have a 2nd Carrier and its also in their defense doctorate. But with the way over cost of the CDG it was push and then shelved. Europe is a tricky mess of economics and defense budgets.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #582 on: 11 March 2019, 13:28:03 »
there are also rule 4 issues at play, such as the reduction in colonial holdings and the influence therein. between that and the end of the cold war there is generally less call for a large force projecting navy's, especially when it is rare for a country to not be part of a larger multinational effort when a conflict is occurring.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #583 on: 11 March 2019, 16:30:02 »
As the Cold War was ending, they had money gather alot these girls for group photos, this was taken in 1991.



From the top down, HMS Invincible, USS Forrestal CV-59, USS Wasp LHD-1, Spanish Aircraft Carrier Principe-de-Asturias.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #584 on: 11 March 2019, 21:20:43 »
These are from back in '03 when US FIFTH FLEET had both East and West coast big deck amphibs.

The blurb from Wikipedia, "The amphibious assault ships of Commander, Task Force Fifty One (CTF-51) come together in an unprecedented formation during operations in the North Arabian Gulf. This marked the first time that six large deck amphibious ships from the East and West coasts have deployed together in one area of operation. Led by the flag ship USS Tarawa (LHA 1), the ships are (from left to right): USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6), USS Kearsarge (LHD 3), USS Bataan (LHD 5), USS Saipan (LHA 2), and USS Boxer (LHD 4). CTF-51 led Navy amphibious forces in the Arabian Gulf region during Operation Iraqi Freedom. The 32 ships of CTF-51 composed the largest amphibious force assembled since the Inchon landing, during the Korean War."

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #585 on: 11 March 2019, 21:30:31 »
That just warms my heart...  :smitten:

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #586 on: 11 March 2019, 22:02:32 »
I try.

None of the small decks were pictured and ASHLAND was on a mail run to Bahrain during picture day.  Would have liked to have a broader shot of all 32 ships.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #587 on: 12 March 2019, 07:21:34 »
That is a awesome photo of the Marine Ships.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #588 on: 12 March 2019, 07:48:09 »
I keep wondering what keeps France from making their second carrier.

In a word, cost.

Brits faced the same decision the French did: 1 CVN, or 2 CVs? They took the opposite decision, because having 2 ships means at least 1 is available at any time.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #589 on: 12 March 2019, 10:23:06 »
That and the fact that France keeps a carrier in operation more for national prestige than any other reason.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #590 on: 14 March 2019, 09:21:04 »
Add CV-7 Wasp to the list of found.  Two and a half miles down off Guadalcanal, discovered on the same trip that her sister Hornet was found as well.

https://news.usni.org/2019/03/13/wreckage-of-wwii-era-carrier-wasp-discovered

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #591 on: 14 March 2019, 12:20:22 »
Add CV-7 Wasp to the list of found.  Two and a half miles down off Guadalcanal, discovered on the same trip that her sister Hornet was found as well.

https://news.usni.org/2019/03/13/wreckage-of-wwii-era-carrier-wasp-discovered

Erm, they weren't the same class, so not traditional sisters, unless you mean a sister aircraft carrier of the US navy...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #592 on: 15 March 2019, 01:49:55 »
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #593 on: 15 March 2019, 06:37:55 »
The Wasp was kinda of lightweight Yorktown class. Smaller to keep under the treaty limits.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #594 on: 29 March 2019, 01:42:40 »
One of the guys at work put this one up.

Absolutely amazing shot.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #595 on: 29 March 2019, 11:01:14 »
Hmm, I cannot see any uniform to really zoom in on . . .

But its not the Texas, that I do know . . . so its a late battleship?  Iowa or preceding class?
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #596 on: 29 March 2019, 12:34:34 »
I'm looking at the height and thinness of that tower ... could it be a Japanese ship, post-surrender?
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #597 on: 29 March 2019, 12:41:56 »
That does look to be Japanese script on that sign near the bridge.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #598 on: 29 March 2019, 12:48:29 »
a) This sort of photo does seem to be "a thing" in the period:



USS Michigan. Which makes the potential ID more likely to be a pre-WW2 US battleship with basket tower.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #599 on: 29 March 2019, 13:06:27 »
The problem with identifying it is you have to guess what they are on . . . and the battleships were upgraded over their lives, and most pictures show their last WWII refit.

I found this, and it looks right EXCEPT . . . its Texas, and at the end of WWII they had the three pillars type tower.



Mast matches up, and that 'script' could be some weird reflections on the upper (flag?  cannot remember) bridge.  Its also dated, b/c you can see a biplane set to take off on the B turret.  The duty uniforms are also dark like the black crackerjacks.  I found this photo from '32 where the New York was leading the line, so the towers had been changed by that time.  You can also see the uniforms are the white crackerjacks.  Funny enough, it looks like a flattop in the background.




Here is a 1919 photo-



Got it . . . its the Pennsylvania class or one of the follow-ons, with a shot from the stern.  You can see how the rear mast matches up with the double cross-trees with cables running to the single cross tree on the fore mast.  The Pennsylvania specifically went to the Philly Naval Yard in '29 where they removed her lattice masts, so the picture is probably mid-20s and with how uniforms go . . . N Atlantic fleet?  Otherwise they would be wearing whites out at Hawaii.

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