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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #600 on: 29 March 2019, 13:16:18 »
That certainly does look like it!
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #601 on: 29 March 2019, 13:21:49 »
One of the guys at work put this one up.

Absolutely amazing shot.
If the abov ship is USN then it s Pennsylvania class or later (not including Colorado or later classes) due it's two triple-gun turrets. The picture definitely has an interwar ook to it IMO.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #602 on: 29 March 2019, 15:12:23 »
I found a site saying it's either Pennsylvania or Arizona.  I thought it was Arizona when I saw that pic,  but the Arizona crew pic I found looked more like the Michigan crew pic with the life ring.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #603 on: 29 March 2019, 15:35:34 »
Couldn't resist taking this picture while attending Carriercon2019 on CV12.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #604 on: 29 March 2019, 15:43:35 »
Which carrier?  The cape is funny, makes me think of the Jolly Rogs yet you have the Doolittle Raid bombers taking off.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #605 on: 29 March 2019, 16:26:02 »
I found the picture in google and it claims that it is a Pennsylvania Class in 1918. There's one picture of the Arizona in the same style but the bridge looks different, with a huge clock  in the middle. My guess is that it is the USS Pennsylvania.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #606 on: 29 March 2019, 16:31:27 »
1918?  Then its a commissioning photo would be my guess.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #607 on: 30 March 2019, 06:01:07 »
I have seen that big clock before on pictures of WW1 era ships. What was that for?
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #608 on: 30 March 2019, 06:19:25 »
I have seen that big clock before on pictures of WW1 era ships. What was that for?

Given that it was before the age of the wrist watch being common property, I'm guessing it's so ships company can be on time for watch change.

Brass voice tubes don't work very well above decks, so they need some other mechanism to note the time to sailors on the uppers.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #609 on: 30 March 2019, 08:18:01 »
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Which carrier?  The cape is funny, makes me think of the Jolly Rogs yet you have the Doolittle Raid bombers taking off.

Speaking of which, I am hitting my parent's storage this weekend.  I will have to see if I can find the newspaper we found when my grandmother died.  My mother and her sisters went through my grandparent's stuff, she was from a typical early 20th century farm family . . . youngest of 9 surviving children.  We found all sorts of things they had kept over the years that were interesting bits of history.  The one I remember was a newspaper that had been folded up and stored in a shoebox.  The paper discussed the success of the Doolittle raid and by how you can help make similar bombing sorties possible by walking instead of driving to save fuel!  Turn in your scrap and drive on old tired longer!  or something.  I think it had a stock picture of the carrier.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #610 on: 30 March 2019, 08:44:12 »
Given that it was before the age of the wrist watch being common property, I'm guessing it's so ships company can be on time for watch change.

Brass voice tubes don't work very well above decks, so they need some other mechanism to note the time to sailors on the uppers.

It seems that it was very useful in the old days of battle lines. From reddit:

"Large dials resembling clock faces were added to the front of the fore mast, and to the rear of the main mast, trainable to 30 degrees off center. Once a ship found the range to the target, it would display the range on the dials, with one hand indicating thousands of yards + 10,000, and the other hundreds of yards. So if both hands were on the 1, the range to target was 11,100 yards. Hash marks, called bearing indicators, were painted on the main gun turrets, giving observers the angle to target. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/3h1sdi/what_are_these_clocklike_dials_that_go_from_09_on/
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #611 on: 30 March 2019, 08:49:13 »
Ahh, range indicator for the gun crews, nice!

I keep forgetting that remote controlled guns are a relatively modern development.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #613 on: 03 April 2019, 21:49:21 »
Nice write up the the Brisbane.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #614 on: 03 April 2019, 23:13:47 »
Yep. I noticed that they had a photo of the single cabin (with a nicely turned down bed) but did not include a photo of the bunks.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #615 on: 04 April 2019, 06:11:25 »
Yep. I noticed that they had a photo of the single cabin (with a nicely turned down bed) but did not include a photo of the bunks.

It's a PR piece, you don't want to turn people off.

I was talking to a couple of the Army guys I work with today, they asked what it was like living in a mess, I told them it was weird at first, but after a while you come to like it. It still feels a little strange to be sleeping in a queen sized bed.

I think the move to single occupancy cabins and small messes may backfire though, if you didn't hate it, you loved living in larger messes. The move was meant to stimulate retention of personnel, but I think it may just alienate those who truly enjoy that lifestyle, and isolate everyone else.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #616 on: 04 April 2019, 08:46:51 »
It's a PR piece, you don't want to turn people off.

I was talking to a couple of the Army guys I work with today, they asked what it was like living in a mess, I told them it was weird at first, but after a while you come to like it. It still feels a little strange to be sleeping in a queen sized bed.

I think the move to single occupancy cabins and small messes may backfire though, if you didn't hate it, you loved living in larger messes. The move was meant to stimulate retention of personnel, but I think it may just alienate those who truly enjoy that lifestyle, and isolate everyone else.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #617 on: 04 April 2019, 10:04:40 »
The mess is where the crew eats.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #618 on: 04 April 2019, 10:14:17 »
The mess is where the crew eats.
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I was talking to a couple of the Army guys I work with today, they asked what it was like living in a mess, I told them it was weird at first, but after a while you come to like it. It still feels a little strange to be sleeping in a queen sized bed.
So the eating area doubled as the berthing? I'm guessing there were a couple different facilities so you didn't have people eating lunch while the 3rd shift crew were trying to sleep.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #619 on: 04 April 2019, 10:52:07 »
If you're short on tents you make do, I guess.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #620 on: 04 April 2019, 12:00:48 »
We be needing more pictures.

Here the USS Joy Turner's sleeping quarters, which is sometimes referred to as cribs.
This very similar what i was sleeping in during my US Navy years in early 1990s.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #621 on: 04 April 2019, 21:22:52 »
The Burkes have almost twice the crew the crew of the Brisbane for not much larger.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #622 on: 05 April 2019, 03:55:10 »
Does "mess" mean a common sleeping area?

In short, yes. Although it's descended from the RN, and thus sleeping spaces, recreational spaces and eating spaces are all called messes on RAN vessels, because very early sailing vessels used the same space for all three purposes, cafe has taken over from mess for the eating space in the last 20 odd years.

Army and Air Force, on the other hand, call only the eating spaces messes, leads to some confusion whenever they arrive on board.

To add fuel to the mix, on a shore base our eating spaces are called the mess, recreation spaces are called breakout rooms, common areas or bars. Blocks of cabins are called accommodation blocks and cabins, I suppose it can be a little confusing to the uninitiated, but you get used to it. If there's one thing the RAN isn't, it's consistent!

The Burkes have almost twice the crew the crew of the Brisbane for not much larger.

European designs always put more room into the crew spaces, their design philosophy calls for more comfortable crew quarters. RAN units also tend to be minimum manned, so we end up with a relatively small crew for a ship that size. Many long years ago now, I was on a 2550 ton River Class DE that had a crew of 270, now that was tight quarters! Although the 3370 ton Perth Class DDG had it beat, with a crew of 330.

So yeah, crew sizes are a bit relative. :)

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #623 on: 05 April 2019, 04:15:03 »
Zumwalt must be near palatial, then, 16,000 tons for only 147 crew.  Then again, dividing that crew into an officer herd and three watches means you're manning the entire ship, supposedly, with perhaps fifty people in total.  That's gotta play merry hell on crew stress...

...though it might not be a consideration that much longer, I guess.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #624 on: 05 April 2019, 06:19:29 »
Zumwalt must be near palatial, then, 16,000 tons for only 147 crew.  Then again, dividing that crew into an officer herd and three watches means you're manning the entire ship, supposedly, with perhaps fifty people in total.  That's gotta play merry hell on crew stress...

...though it might not be a consideration that much longer, I guess.

The issue is that there is an irreducible amount of work that goes into running a warship, you need your bridge crew, engineering watchkeepers, Ops (CIC) crew, look outs, communicator, it's very difficult to run a ship with just 50 people, and a recipe for disaster. Mind you, we run the Anzacs with only 40 more, but many of those locations run a two watch system, rather than three. If you pare right back on those requirements, you could do it, but your people are going to exhaust very quickly.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #625 on: 05 April 2019, 10:24:31 »
Ahh, range indicator for the gun crews, nice!

I keep forgetting that remote controlled guns are a relatively modern development.
If I recall correctly, that clock was for the benefit of the OTHER battleships in the line. When they were still planned to operate in a line for Battles.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #626 on: 05 April 2019, 15:31:03 »
If I recall correctly, that clock was for the benefit of the OTHER battleships in the line. When they were still planned to operate in a line for Battles.

Bingo. One hand identified range to target, while the other was intended as a signaling system to other ships, at least in the Royal Navy (the Americans used range clocks as well, but had a different meaning to the hands, specifying range in thousand yard increments with one hand and hundreds with the other, so 8:40 meant the target was at either 8,400 or 18,400 yards, with fire control officers on the other ship being deemed smart enough to know the difference.) The turrets often showed markings as well, as seen below, helping identify which target the ship is aiming at in the enemy line.



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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #627 on: 06 April 2019, 06:00:35 »


Those bulges made the monitors...well in a word 'thicc'.



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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #628 on: 06 April 2019, 12:28:08 »
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #629 on: 06 April 2019, 17:43:08 »
The Dreadnought has 12 Misslle tubes, vs the 16 in the Vanguard. The new Columbia SSBN will have only 16 vs the 24 in the Ohios.
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