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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1230 on: 15 August 2019, 17:56:24 »
Brazil's Amazonas cost them 35 million pounds per, granted that was some time back but inflation can't be that severe.
Inflation and currency exchange. 2007 contract, convert to EUR at exchange rate then and add EUR inflation to 2018... results in 56.5 million EUR.

P.S. Fassmer OPV80 also retail for around 55-60 million EUR, as of 2018.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1231 on: 15 August 2019, 17:57:25 »
What?  You're Belgian??  Who knew!!  ???  ;D

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1232 on: 15 August 2019, 18:02:34 »
Even funnier!  Vive la Belgique!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1233 on: 15 August 2019, 18:09:57 »
Most of the craft are of French origin, a couple of La Combattante IIa, La Combattante III, La Combattante IIIb and exactly two Osprey 55-class gunboat of Cold War US vintage.
They also built copies of the Osprey 55 in the HSY-55 (1993/94) and HSY-56A (2003-2005). Six units total, gun armament only.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1234 on: 15 August 2019, 19:03:14 »
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Nothing wrong with this statement, rule 4 need not apply.

Basically it means asserting French sovereignty over Southern French and ( French ) Antarctic Lands.

Nothing Rule 4ish about that... in other words, protecting French claims.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1235 on: 15 August 2019, 21:42:01 »
570 or 750 tons, 54 or 61m long, 15 or 24 crew

4200 tons, 72m long, 31 crew

Highlighted for reference, think just how insanely overbuilt and just plain THIIICCCCCC that icebreaker is.  And at that cargo mass, she could carry two of those OPVs inside, if it were Battletech rules...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1236 on: 16 August 2019, 05:01:27 »
Pretty much flat-bottomed without a keel, like most icebreakers. Box factor of around 0.7, compared to around 0.45 for "normal" ships.

In natural habitat:


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1237 on: 16 August 2019, 05:44:28 »
the bow of that ship kinda reminds me of that X-Bow design that popped up a few years back

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1238 on: 16 August 2019, 08:55:11 »


P51 Roisin.
P52 Niamh.

Medium-range OPVs commissioned in 1999-2001 for North Atlantic patrol. One unit deployed for UNMEE, both took part in EU NAVFOR Med.

1500 tons, 79m long, 44 crew
Armament 1x 76mm gun, 1x 20mm gun
No helicopter deck.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1239 on: 16 August 2019, 09:01:13 »


P41 Orla.
P42 Ciara.

Former Royal Navy small patrol corvettes originally built in the early 80s, bought in 1988/89. Used in EEZ patrol in North Atlantic.

712 tons, 63m long, 39 crew.
Armament 1x 76mm gun, 2x 20mm gun
No helicopter deck. Moderately fast at 25 knots.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1240 on: 16 August 2019, 09:09:45 »


CP920 Bruno Gregoretti.

Civilian OPV commissioned 2014. Used for fisheries patrol, pollution control and SAR in Mediterranean. Civilian "Platform Supply Vessel" hull design.

2150 tons, 63m long, 31 crew.
No armament.
No helicopter deck. Can carry 5 containers or 5 cars.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1241 on: 16 August 2019, 09:13:53 »
Inflation and currency exchange. 2007 contract, convert to EUR at exchange rate then and add EUR inflation to 2018... results in 56.5 million EUR.

P.S. Fassmer OPV80 also retail for around 55-60 million EUR, as of 2018.
What do you think about the Larssen and Toubro Vikram-class OPV?

IMO its ugly as sin but cheap at USD 30m
2,100 tons
97m
26 kn
1x 30mm cannon, 2x 12.7mm MG
Hangar for light helicopter (usually HAL Dhruv)


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1242 on: 16 August 2019, 09:25:01 »
Despite A pennant due to duties...



A621 d'Entrecasteaux.
A622 Bougainville.
A623 Champlain.
A624 Dumont d'Urville.

Multi-purpose ships commissioned 2016-2018. Used for EEZ patrol in overseas stations as primary function. Civilian "Platform Supply Vessel" hull design.

2000 tons, 65m long, 20 crew.
No armament.
No helicopter deck. Space for landing platoon of 20 troops and 2 vehicles. Typically carries a 8m long gendarmerie vedette as daughter boat.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1243 on: 16 August 2019, 09:54:57 »
26 kn
A bit on the fast side for the role. Usually that's what the helicopter is for.

Their crew of 96 (for a brand-new vessel) would probably make them too costly for general work in significant numbers in most countries. Add some automation and you could run that kinda ship with half those crew numbers - saving you at least 50 million operation cost over the next twenty years.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1244 on: 16 August 2019, 09:58:28 »
Genuine question: Why are you not giving the class name and nationality in these posts?  ??? Seems like it should be the very first bit of info given, to me...
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1245 on: 16 August 2019, 10:04:08 »


BP81 Potsdam (commissioned July 2019).
BP82 Bamberg (delivered).
BP83 Bad Düben (under construction).

Fassmer OPV86 for German Federal Police. 60 million per boat. 21 knots top speed.

1860 tons, 86m long, 14 crew (yes, 14!)
Armament 1x 57mm gun (yet to be installed).
helicopter deck for 12t medium helo, no hangar; double FRISC slipway for 10m boats; flexible mission deck for 5-container module

Genuine question: Why are you not giving the class name and nationality in these posts?  ??? Seems like it should be the very first bit of info given, to me...
Is there really a difference whether you pop "Chilreu class" or "P63 Arnomendi" into Google?
Nationality is fleeting. All of these boats are literally used throughout the EEZ of the European Union.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1246 on: 16 August 2019, 10:36:09 »
I genuinely do not understand that logic at all, but you're the one taking the time to post it, not me. I'll just assume every single one is a variant of the Spongebob-class, and they're all owned by Half Price Books.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1247 on: 16 August 2019, 11:27:15 »
I think part of it is the disconnect that per se these aren't "ship classes". Navies don't order another OPV of this or that class, more so nowadays.

They order another Buque de Acción Marítima ("Naval Action Ship" - Spain, "Meteoro class"). Or a Navio de Patrulha Oceânica ("Ocean Patrol Ship" - Portugal, "Viana do Castelo class"). Or a Nuove Unità di Pattugliamento d'Altura ("New High Seas Patrol Unit" - Italy, "Comandanti class"). Or variably add a 2000 to that designation to sound spiffy too. Or they don't bother with even any designation for a group of ships in the first place, like France or Germany.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1248 on: 16 August 2019, 12:02:58 »
"Meteoro class"
"Viana do Castelo class"
"Comandanti class"

THERE we go. Ship classes belonging to Half Price Books! :thumbsup:
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1249 on: 16 August 2019, 12:06:01 »
They're only really called that in anglo countries though ;-)

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1250 on: 16 August 2019, 16:11:39 »
Despite A pennant due to duties...



A621 d'Entrecasteaux.
A622 Bougainville.
A623 Champlain.
A624 Dumont d'Urville.

Multi-purpose ships commissioned 2016-2018. Used for EEZ patrol in overseas stations as primary function. Civilian "Platform Supply Vessel" hull design.

2000 tons, 65m long, 20 crew.
No armament.
No helicopter deck. Space for landing platoon of 20 troops and 2 vehicles. Typically carries a 8m long gendarmerie vedette as daughter boat.
Reminds me of the HOS Oilfield Support Vessels used as escorts for HVU's around certain naval bases like USNS Arrowhead (T-AGSE-4).
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1251 on: 16 August 2019, 18:17:05 »
Here something I've yet to seen posted.  Modern workhorse during late cold war era developed originally by the French Navy,  La Combattante-class Fast Attack Craft (FAC).
Joint venture between Germany & France, produce this vessel, modern version of the torpedo boats.   
The original ship, La Combattante"The Fighter" (P730), was first built in 1963, as patrol boat.  However, she became genesis of number of variant classes based on her design.

These Guided Missile Craft are all about going fast and hitting with the Anti-Ship Missiles, getting out of harms way hopefully in one piece.


Picture is the Greek Navy's (former German Tiger variant of the FAC), HS Pezopoulos, P-73.
I wasn't able locate the picture of the original La Combattante however, whom was scrapped 1994.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1252 on: 16 August 2019, 20:01:41 »
I wasn't able locate the picture of the original La Combattante however, whom was scrapped 1994.


She was always used foremost for weapon trials. Above in 1965 configuration with a quad SS.11 launcher on aft superstructure. The launcher behind it is a sextuple flare rocket launcher for early decoy trials. The SS.11 launcher was reworked for SS.12 missiles in 1966 and replaced with an experimental Exocet launcher in 1974 (with the SS.11 launcher installed afterwards). The flare rocket launcher was replaced by mounting the original aft 40mm gun back in its place at some point between 1969 and 1973.

When she was transferred to the Gendarmerie in 1985 the SS.11 launcher and - a bit oddly - the forward 40mm were removed.

She wasn't immediately scrapped but instead disarmed in 1994 and returned to CMN in 1996, who finally dismantled her in 2014. Picture from 2009:


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1253 on: 16 August 2019, 20:11:50 »
Reminds me of the HOS Oilfield Support Vessels used as escorts for HVU's around certain naval bases like USNS Arrowhead (T-AGSE-4).
Yeah, "Platform Supply Vessels" are just that - support vessels for oil platforms. They pretty much all look like that, basically a tug design with a large flatdeck cargo space aft.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1254 on: 17 August 2019, 03:11:49 »
Speaking of FAC's, we have the Soviet Union's entry into the field with Komar missile boat and the later Osa class missile boat



The Komar was armed with a pair of 25mm guns and 2 x SS-N-2 missiles.



armed with a pair of 30mm guns and 4 x SS-N-2 (later SS-N-2C) missiles.

The Osa's were bigger and far more seaworthy and the doubled punch of their SSM's made them more of a threat and they were produced in large numbers with over 400 built.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1255 on: 17 August 2019, 03:20:29 »
It was these Soviet missile boats and the sinking of INS Eilat that sparked interest in the Combattantes and similar designs. Then someone figured out the counter and NATO interest died.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1256 on: 17 August 2019, 08:42:56 »
loving these gunboats!
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1257 on: 17 August 2019, 10:22:11 »
I think above 50m length we actually have them all now for patrol in the EU... except these two:



P11 Zemaitis.
P12 Dzukas.
P14 Aukstatis.
P15 Selis.
P590 Tejo.
P591 Douro.
P592 Mondego.
P593 Guadiana.

Former missile boats and MCM vessels on the SF300 modular design orginally built 1993-1996 and rebuilt as patrol boats 2014-2016. 3 additional units available laid up, 1 in service as diver support vessel. Used for fisheries patrol and SAR along Portuguese coast and in Baltic Sea.

400 tons, 54m long, 24 crew
Armament: 1x 76mm gun (four units) or unarmed (four units)
In patrol role carry 2x RHIB on back deck for deployment by crane.



001 Poseidon.
002 Triton.
003 Amfitrite.

Multi-purpose ships commissioned 2009/10 for pollution control and SAR in Baltic Sea. Were deployed to Mediterranean in FRONTEX (EU Coastguard) OP Triton in 2015-2016. Platform Supply Vessel design.

3760 tons, 81m long, 15 crew
No armament.
Equipped to act as tugs. Accomodation for 29 additional troops. Can carry 6 containers.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1258 on: 17 August 2019, 11:34:17 »






Speaking of gunboats, the Insect class with their two 6-inch guns.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #1259 on: 17 August 2019, 11:59:52 »
Where are the photos from?
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