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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1380 on: 16 October 2019, 14:32:40 »
The best example of the latter to me is “Brain and Brain! What is BRAIN?!?!?”

Ugh.

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That was one of the flat-out worst episodes in the franchise.
worse than infinite warp salamanders?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1381 on: 16 October 2019, 15:14:07 »
Some aspects of stealth are pretty easy - the sawtooth being one of them; you're basically doing everything you can to avoid a 90 degree angle - aka Perfect Reflector.  You're also trying to avoid circular shapes or large curved areas for similar reason.  Obviously it's not that hard to do, looking at aircraft design - and there's some benefits aerodynamically as well, as you're engineering loosely toward a lifting-body shape instead of a simple wingstubes.  Proof of that comes from the efforts put into warships; look at a modern Burke-class and all the simple little things done to minimize radar signature.  Trapezoid shapes all over the place (even on ladders and safety rails) to reflect radar emissions in other directions and force radar-guided ASM carriers to come closer into its engagement envelope before they can reliably shoot.  It's not for true invisibility, but it does make enemy jobs harder.

Once you start getting into the coatings, metamaterials, things like that, then you get into the crazy expensive stuff.  The physics are funky too, trapping radio-frequency energy and reradiating them as heat, for example.  But that does bring up the other problem, thermal suppression - and 40,000 pounds of thrust in a four foot wide can does not easily disappear...
One thing about the saw tooth that always confused me is that it seems like a leading edge sawtooth is creating a 2D corner box effect.  Like the reflectors on the side of your car. So there would be a narrow angle, directly in front of the sawtooth where the return should be huge.    I'm guessing that there's something I'm overlooking.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1382 on: 16 October 2019, 16:39:02 »
Exhaust is important primarily from the rear hemisphere. Aerodynamic heating, however... I suspect a Blackbird at cruise had a thermal signature visible from over the horizon
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1383 on: 16 October 2019, 17:06:39 »
That was one of the flat-out worst episodes in the franchise.

worse than infinite warp salamanders?

I said one of, not the absolute worst.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1384 on: 16 October 2019, 20:00:53 »
One thing about the saw tooth that always confused me is that it seems like a leading edge sawtooth is creating a 2D corner box effect.  Like the reflectors on the side of your car. So there would be a narrow angle, directly in front of the sawtooth where the return should be huge.    I'm guessing that there's something I'm overlooking.
Only if it's a 90 degree angle.  A sawtooth for stealthing is going to be at, perhaps, a 50 or 55 degree angle - it won't bounce back to the original source.

Basically if you draw any angle onto a subject, it'll bounce off at the same angle opposite the perpendicular; with a 90 degree angle this means that your radar beam will bounce twice and come right back at the source.  Having differing angles in the sawtooth bounces radar in other directions, it doesn't matter too much between higher and lower than 45 degrees as long as it's a significant enough amount.  See case B and C for that; the decision about what angles to use will be much more dependent on other aspects of the aircraft.   Things like the angles made by the YF-23's wings, for example; they're all the same so that you only get a hard reflection in one direction instead of several (think of the front edge of each wing as a flat plane reflecting radar energy) and so you'd want to match that angle with your other little details.  That way you only get one "lucky" angle to be at to have significant detection capability, and the further that is from a nose-on aspect the better - it means the only people that have a chance to detect you are the ones farthest from your target.

Anyway, just showing angles here. Yes, they're all 90, above or below, but 45 degrees from what the surface would be.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1385 on: 17 October 2019, 06:54:51 »
Third helo prototype revealed: https://www.janes.com/article/91969/ausa-2019-karem-aircraft-unveils-ar-40-for-us-army-s-fara-cp

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1386 on: 17 October 2019, 13:11:31 »
Sikorsky is basing their entry on their S-97 Raider.



The proposed Raider X:



We'll be waiting on Boeing's entry 'till next year though.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1387 on: 17 October 2019, 17:04:32 »
That X model looks like they're actually trying to push a stealth design, comparing it to the other model.  That might bite them...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1388 on: 17 October 2019, 18:56:40 »
I don't have a pic to show for it.  But I got my Commercial Pilots License today.  Pretty happy about it, its been a monkey on my back for 4+ years.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1389 on: 17 October 2019, 19:06:41 »
Oh well done!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1390 on: 17 October 2019, 19:52:33 »
Congrats Crossfire Pilot!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1391 on: 17 October 2019, 21:52:39 »
I don't have a pic to show for it.  But I got my Commercial Pilots License today.  Pretty happy about it, its been a monkey on my back for 4+ years.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1392 on: 17 October 2019, 21:57:08 »
That's no Rifleman.

Sikorsky is basing their entry on their S-97 Raider.



The proposed Raider X:



We'll be waiting on Boeing's entry 'till next year though.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1393 on: 17 October 2019, 22:12:22 »
Congrats on the license, CAVU!
That's no Rifleman.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1394 on: 18 October 2019, 20:45:52 »
Someone got a couple photos of the Super Bugs being used for the Top Gun: Maverick film.  They have a damn pretty color scheme, I must say.



Something about that near-black and bright blue over grey, plus the really nice stripe design that doesn't get crazy, really appeals to me.  Not so sure about the centerline tank, but the bird itself comes out nice.

(Yes, it's two different aircraft, the singleseater is used for flying footage while the twoseater is used for filming Maverick "alone" while a real pilot handles things in the other seat.)
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1395 on: 19 October 2019, 11:30:18 »
Totally hating you in a good way!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1396 on: 19 October 2019, 17:58:59 »
Oh it wasn't me taking those pictures, not one bit!  The source for them was apparently uploaded anonymously, so it might be someone on the crew; so far that's all we got.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1397 on: 20 October 2019, 14:43:48 »
If only.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1398 on: 20 October 2019, 15:35:34 »
If only.

You have no idea how many times that’s popped into my head every time I’ve seen those signs.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1399 on: 20 October 2019, 15:40:12 »
I usually see an AH-64 used for that meme.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1400 on: 20 October 2019, 21:38:07 »
Have a now-retired Mirage 2000N.

And a trailer for a film that came out in 2005, Les Chevaliers du Ciel (The Knights of the Sky) that's some downright gorgeous Mirage footage.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1401 on: 21 October 2019, 03:22:54 »
I don't see a trailer link...  ???

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1402 on: 21 October 2019, 04:11:16 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1403 on: 21 October 2019, 08:29:10 »
Hojeez,...that might be a problem. Carrier landings are rarely gentle, can QE's deck handle that much history thumping down on her?
Dunno about the structural integrity, but it's sure got the sqft for it
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1404 on: 21 October 2019, 08:34:15 »
Definitely, though that's CGI of course.

The QEs are built to comfortably accommodate 36 fighters and can surge more.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1405 on: 21 October 2019, 09:04:00 »
Its weird, some of it looks real and other areas look CGI- besides the pictures we saw earlier had her leaving in rain, lol.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1406 on: 21 October 2019, 15:11:22 »
Derp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEe3xfWfkG8

Sweet video!  Where was the desert range, though?  All the places that have Mirages AND deserts I can think of don't have cameramen up to that standard...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1407 on: 21 October 2019, 16:03:43 »
Sweet video!  Where was the desert range, though?  All the places that have Mirages AND deserts I can think of don't have cameramen up to that standard...
according to the IMDB page, most of the filming takes place in france, with mention of a spot in england (site of a popular set of movie stages for rent), and Djibouti. the latter is probably where they filmed the desert scenes.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1408 on: 21 October 2019, 16:05:12 »
Dj makes perfect sense... thanks for the reminder!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Aviation Pictures: The Fourth Generation
« Reply #1409 on: 21 October 2019, 16:12:28 »
The QE could carry up to 40 fighters with out any issues. Can work up to 50 or more in a really big crunch.
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