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Fear Factory

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Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« on: 31 December 2018, 13:20:44 »
... can I get a dozen?

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Scorpion Light Tank AC/20

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 2807
Cost: 488,542 C-Bills
Battle Value: 300

Power Plant: SitiCide 50 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor: ProtecTech Light Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
Manufacturer: Quikscell Company, Joint Equipment Systems, Benson and Bjorn, Hellespont Industries
    Primary Factory: Pandora, Layover, Kalidasa, Ares (Quikscell), Alshain (JES), Spittal (Benson and Bjorn), Sian (Hellespont)
Communications System: Basix 200
Targeting and Tracking System: OptiSight-12

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      12 points                2.50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                 50                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  48                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     16       
                                          Left/Right   11/11       
                                                Rear     10       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Autocannon/20                                FR        7         1        14.00
@AC/20 (5)                                   BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 3
2t         2       2       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: EE, AC 2/2/0

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #1 on: 31 December 2018, 14:44:34 »
Well, it's cheap if nothing else.   I'd be surprised if the chassis and powerplant cost more than the main weapon.   Kind of an mini SPG, save that it can barely get out of its own way; when a light vehicle is passed by a Demolisher, then you know you've got problems.

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #2 on: 31 December 2018, 15:43:40 »
Much like a Hetzer or the Urbie, the point of this thing would be to hang around behind cover and give a very bad day to the first unit that stumbles upon it. It's neither fast nor tough and has little range, and combined with its fixed forward-pointing gun with five whole shots, going full ambush predator is the only doctrine available to users.

I still like it, though. The price point is very attractive compared to the Hetzer, and the low armor goes well with the minimal ammo stores. Would consider this for city fighting, or maybe a variant with the Thumper Artillery Cannon.

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #3 on: 31 December 2018, 17:57:58 »
Since it's only a mobile bunker anyway, dropping to 1/2 would get you two more tons to work with for armor and/or ammunition.

The Thumper Artillery Cannon is only 10 tons... you could almost do that on a full speed Scorpion.  A real Thumper is 15, and seems to be what you meant.

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #4 on: 31 December 2018, 18:08:58 »
I'd be surprised if the chassis and powerplant cost more than the main weapon.

Fun fact:

It doesn't.  :D

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #5 on: 31 December 2018, 18:23:24 »
Much like a Hetzer or the Urbie, the point of this thing would be to hang around behind cover and give a very bad day to the first unit that stumbles upon it. It's neither fast nor tough and has little range, and combined with its fixed forward-pointing gun with five whole shots, going full ambush predator is the only doctrine available to users.

I still like it, though. The price point is very attractive compared to the Hetzer, and the low armor goes well with the minimal ammo stores. Would consider this for city fighting, or maybe a variant with the Thumper Artillery Cannon.

Since it's only a mobile bunker anyway, dropping to 1/2 would get you two more tons to work with for armor and/or ammunition.

The Thumper Artillery Cannon is only 10 tons... you could almost do that on a full speed Scorpion.  A real Thumper is 15, and seems to be what you meant.

Go big or go home!

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Scorpion Light Tank Thumper

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-C-B-A
Production Year: 2807
Cost: 335,417 C-Bills
Battle Value: 144

Power Plant: SitiCide 50 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor: ProtecTech Light Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Thumper
Manufacturer: Quikscell Company, Joint Equipment Systems, Benson and Bjorn, Hellespont Industries
    Primary Factory: Pandora, Layover, Kalidasa, Ares (Quikscell), Alshain (JES), Spittal (Benson and Bjorn), Sian (Hellespont)
Communications System: Basix 200
Targeting and Tracking System: OptiSight-12

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      12 points                2.50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                 50                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  32                  2.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     11       
                                          Left/Right    8/8         
                                                Rear     5         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Thumper                                      FR        6         1        15.00
@Thumper (20)                                BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 1
2t         2       0       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ARTT, EE

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #6 on: 01 January 2019, 19:39:36 »
I think I'm just going to have this thread exist for Quickscell mods...

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AC/20 Carrier

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-E-D-A
Production Year: 2407
Cost: 1,512,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 653

Power Plant: InterComBust 180 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Simple Armor Plate Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Autocannon/20s
    2  Vehicle Flamers
Manufacturer: Aldis industries, Joint Equipment Systems, Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Terra (Aldis), Alshain (JES), various (Quickscell)
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      24 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                180                      14.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  48                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     12       
                                          Left/Right   12/12       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Autocannon/20s                             FR        14        2        28.00
2 Vehicle Flamers                            FR        6         2         1.00
@AC/20 (20)                                  BD        -         0         4.00
@Vehicle Flamer (20)                         BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 7
3t         5       4       0       0      3     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, AC 4/4/0

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #7 on: 01 January 2019, 19:44:07 »
20 shots?  With only 3 tons of armor?  I'm thinking that ratio might be a little off...

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #8 on: 01 January 2019, 20:14:40 »
20 shots?  With only 3 tons of armor?  I'm thinking that ratio might be a little off...
That's what makes it beautiful.

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #9 on: 08 June 2019, 16:09:42 »
Caveman's comment up in General Discussion about a Stug inspired me...  >:D

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QC Stug

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-F-E-A
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 419,271 C-Bills
Battle Value: 344

Power Plant:  25 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 10.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Thumper Art. Cannon
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      12 points                2.50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                 25                       1.00
    Cruise MP:  1
    Flank MP:   2
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 127                  8.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     43       
                                          Left/Right   30/30       
                                                Rear     24       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thumper Art. Cannon                          FR        5         1        10.00
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
@Thumper Cannon (20)                         BD        -         0         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 3
1t         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ARTTC, EE

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #10 on: 08 June 2019, 16:20:03 »
Hey man, I made a 2/3 variant because I wanted some speed. LAME.  :))

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #11 on: 08 June 2019, 17:24:32 »
But... but it can sprint!  Oh, wait...  :D

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #12 on: 09 June 2019, 16:00:55 »
It's like... I kind of want to keep the turret for the sake of insanity.

Quickscell be like "Speed? Don't need it. This bad boy is either going to park or follow around infantry and Urbies anyway. If you need to move, just use the boomstick to give you a boost. Timmy tested it, it works."

Might as well go big or go home. It's quirky, and you know what? Slowest tank in the game. Take that, meta gamers.

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Scorpion Light Tank (AC/20)

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 2807
Cost: 484,896 C-Bills
Battle Value: 252

Power Plant: SitiCide 25 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 10.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Armor: ProtecTech Light Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Quikscell Company, Joint Equipment Systems, Benson and Bjorn, Hellespont Industries
    Primary Factory: Pandora, Layover, Kalidasa, Ares (Quikscell), Alshain (JES), Spittal (Benson and Bjorn), Sian (Hellespont)
Communications System: Basix 200
Targeting and Tracking System: OptiSight-12

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                 25                       1.00
    Cruise MP:  1
    Flank MP:   2
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  40                  2.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     10       
                                          Left/Right    8/8         
                                              Turret     9         
                                                Rear     5         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
Autocannon/20                                T         7         1        14.00
@AC/20 (5)                                   BD        -         0         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 3
1t         2       2       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/2/0, AC 2/2/0), AC 2/2/0

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #13 on: 09 June 2019, 16:23:53 »
Fractional accounting and shaving off some MG ammo would get it back up to three tons of armor...

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #14 on: 09 June 2019, 17:00:11 »
Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #15 on: 09 June 2019, 17:05:09 »
Heh, good point...  ;)

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #16 on: 09 June 2019, 20:42:24 »
Sometimes cannon fodder brings its own cannons...
Half the fun of BattleTech is the mental gymnastics required to scientifically rationalize design choices made decades ago entirely based on the Rule of Cool.

The other half is a first-turn AC/2 shot TAC to your gyro that causes your Atlas to fall and smash its own cockpit... wait, I said fun didn't I?

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #17 on: 10 June 2019, 05:36:21 »
Interesting to compare these to my Scorpion LAG with an AC/10. Both from a gamer perspective (what's funniest? What could I use?) and an in-universe perspective (how and why would people make them? What do crews think of them?). :)

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #18 on: 10 June 2019, 14:32:49 »
We're pretty close.

I can see these 1/2 or 2/3 move guys working with infantry, Urbanmechs, and SRM carriers in dense urban terrain. I think the turret is the better choice, in both cost and the 360 firing arc. These would basically be mobile turrets... kind of like a 'Mech or Tank buster. The cost is just ridiculously cheap.

Tempted to paint up a lance of these.

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #19 on: 10 June 2019, 18:18:05 »
Or roll them into predug positions around your base and use for base defense.  It will be a big surprise if the attacker thinks they are standard Scorpions.
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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #20 on: 10 June 2019, 18:37:26 »
I think an AC/10 variation with more armor might actually be better because of range. The AC/20 and near-immobility basically require you to use these like minefields and hope someone is dumb enough to nearly step on one.
Half the fun of BattleTech is the mental gymnastics required to scientifically rationalize design choices made decades ago entirely based on the Rule of Cool.

The other half is a first-turn AC/2 shot TAC to your gyro that causes your Atlas to fall and smash its own cockpit... wait, I said fun didn't I?

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #21 on: 10 June 2019, 18:39:47 »
My AC/20 Stug version has max armor for the tonnage, but putting it into a turret would change things a bit...

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #22 on: 10 June 2019, 18:53:24 »
I would regard this scorpion to be an upgraded field gun.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #23 on: 11 June 2019, 01:08:52 »
I would regard this scorpion to be an upgraded field gun.  :thumbsup:

I'll take that as a compliment!  :D ^-^

I think an AC/10 variation with more armor might actually be better because of range. The AC/20 and near-immobility basically require you to use these like minefields and hope someone is dumb enough to nearly step on one.

Ambush...

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #24 on: 11 June 2019, 01:15:08 »
Or roll them into predug positions around your base and use for base defense.  It will be a big surprise if the attacker thinks they are standard Scorpions.


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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #25 on: 12 June 2019, 22:35:42 »
The ultimate field gun.  :D

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AC/20 Carrier

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-E-D-A
Production Year: 2407
Cost: 1,776,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 550

Power Plant: InterComBust 60 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 10.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Armor: Simple Armor Plate Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  Autocannon/20s
Manufacturer: Aldis industries, Joint Equipment Systems, Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Terra (Aldis), Alshain (JES), various (Quickscell)
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      24 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                 60                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  1
    Flank MP:   2
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  48                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     12       
                                          Left/Right   12/12       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 Autocannon/20s                             FR        21        3        42.00
@AC/20 (15)                                  BD        -         0         3.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 6
1t         5       5       0       0      3     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, AC 5/5/0

For real, though... I'm done.  xp

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #26 on: 17 June 2019, 21:56:45 »
Any chances for a 40-50 ton version, so it can be carried in Light Vehicle Bays?  Be a great surprise for anyone trying to send Mechs after the Dropship, and they don't scout well enough.

"Any SRM carriers?  Nope?  Probably just a bunch of APCs, nothing to worry about?"

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #27 on: 17 June 2019, 22:25:47 »
If I only knew how.

FYI, these guys won't be so bad as long as you stick to the road. 2/3, baby!

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #28 on: 18 June 2019, 04:28:32 »
Yeah, it looks like the most you can get on a 50-ton chassis is two (IS) AC/20s, not three...  clan AC/20s are a different story.

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Re: Scorpion Light Tank - AC/20
« Reply #29 on: 03 July 2019, 17:34:30 »
I made a few design like this until I discovered the field guns for motorized/mechanized infantry, which is much more effective and not much more expensive to build.

 

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