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Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« on: 07 February 2019, 16:42:48 »
I'm feeling a bit thick, and I can't seem to find the rules. I know infantry can use inferno SRMs, but are there other specialty ammunition types they can use? I can't seem to find the rules on this.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #1 on: 07 February 2019, 16:46:33 »
Have to look it up in TM or TacOps, I cannot remember which . . . its why I got sad that for some reason BA SRMs cannot be loaded with NARC?  Very sad.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #2 on: 07 February 2019, 16:49:10 »
Have to look it up in TM or TacOps, I cannot remember which . . . its why I got sad that for some reason BA SRMs cannot be loaded with NARC?  Very sad.

I'm actually more concerned with conventional infantry than battlearmor.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #3 on: 07 February 2019, 16:50:48 »
Sure, but the rules are in the same area IIRC b/c they fall under BA/Infantry and use the same types I think.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #4 on: 07 February 2019, 17:12:20 »
The rules are specific. Inferno is the only alternate ammo available to infantry, conventional or BA.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #5 on: 07 February 2019, 17:19:27 »
The rules are specific. Inferno is the only alternate ammo available to infantry, conventional or BA.

OK thank you. I thought so, but I couldn't find any actual printed material to prevent them from using, say, tandem-charge warheads.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #6 on: 07 February 2019, 17:23:26 »
There are more ammo types in A Time Of War and I think its Companion. What types and what damage they do I'm not sure as I'm away from my books at the moment.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #7 on: 07 February 2019, 17:43:25 »
The rules are specific. Inferno is the only alternate ammo available to infantry, conventional or BA.

Infantry firing tear gas at one another would be...a gas.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #8 on: 07 February 2019, 21:48:48 »
I was mostly thinking about how effective tandem charge would be as an ATGM. Or how infantry laying down smoke could be useful. Or using semiguided LRM infantry and spotters would be fun.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #9 on: 07 February 2019, 23:13:05 »
LRM infantry is a different missile than Mech or even BA LRMs IIRC.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #10 on: 07 February 2019, 23:21:06 »
I mean, the SRM is basically already a HEAT payload if you aren't using inferno fuel. The major difference that tandems have is that there are two charges.

The LRM is (apparently) smaller version of a SRM which trades the payload for fuel.

Extra missile types would he neat to have cannonically though, I agree. The issue is that they'd be mostly ineffective in the CBT ruleset if we're going by the Universal Ordnance table, since the largest man portable payload is a class C explodey thing. Unless we get into small scale artillery.

If you go by RPG rules, you can give infantry NARC weapons if you wanted to as well. It just doubles the price of the launcher and the payloads which are supposed to be guided to it.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #11 on: 07 February 2019, 23:45:35 »
I was wanting to use the Tufana along with Grenadier squads . . . having NARC loads would make the already deadly Grenadiers even more dangerous.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #12 on: 07 February 2019, 23:54:05 »
This rule really bothers me because we have fluff specifically mentioning that infantry can use alternate munitions.


The Grenadier is fluffed as NARCing for Hauberk LRM barrages.
While the TAG Infantry is fluffed as using TAG for SG-LRM infantry barrages.

It would be nice to see the basic TW options get added to Infernos to match the fluff from the TROs.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #13 on: 08 February 2019, 00:03:10 »
Well, there IS a Grenadier 'NARC' and I did not check LRMs for that type of load- it might be by the rules.  I only know specifically Inferno (which also has a special case issue) but I want to say there was one more option.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #14 on: 08 February 2019, 04:04:04 »
The rules are specific. Inferno is the only alternate ammo available to infantry, conventional or BA.

It is a silly rule, and thanks to MegaMek one I will continue to vigorously ignore.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #15 on: 08 February 2019, 04:15:34 »
Random question, can LRM infantry fire indirectly?  :))

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #16 on: 08 February 2019, 04:33:16 »
I can't see why not.
The launcher will have at least a modficum of electronics to allow for it, even if the precvision might not be as high as a shot from a dedicated platform like a tank, turret or mech.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #17 on: 08 February 2019, 06:05:30 »
I can't see why not.
The launcher will have at least a modficum of electronics to allow for it, even if the precvision might not be as high as a shot from a dedicated platform like a tank, turret or mech.

I don't see why not as well. I just don't recall seeing a rule that suggests that they can, nor one that suggests that they cannot. :/

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #18 on: 08 February 2019, 06:24:33 »
The indirect fire for LRM rule shoudl specify if they can or can't then. If it just talks about LRM firing indirect, without saying who can specifically, they qualify to do it.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #19 on: 08 February 2019, 08:17:10 »
Infantry mortars can, I know that much.

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #20 on: 08 February 2019, 09:48:07 »
LRM infantry cannot. Mortar infantry can.

I was wrong. There is no such restriction against LRM troops. Both can fire indirectly, though mortar troops require TacOps to do so.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #21 on: 08 February 2019, 18:49:27 »
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Extra missile types would he neat to have cannonically though, I agree. The issue is that they'd be mostly ineffective in the CBT ruleset if we're going by the Universal Ordnance table, since the largest man portable payload is a class C explodey thing. Unless we get into small scale artillery.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #22 on: 08 February 2019, 18:53:27 »
I'm reasonably certain that weapon is tripod-mounted when conventional infantry use it. I don't think even 80s action flicks have tried to make a human carry one unaided... :o
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #23 on: 08 February 2019, 19:03:23 »
LOL... given that Predator had a "man portable (no, really)" minigun, I wouldn't put it past them...  ;D

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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #24 on: 08 February 2019, 23:15:34 »
I'm reasonably certain that weapon is tripod-mounted when conventional infantry use it. I don't think even 80s action flicks have tried to make a human carry one unaided... :o

The Mk 19 is typically a 3 man carry for any distance . . . 2 on the weapon, 1 on the tripod- just for speed.
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Re: Infantry and special SRM ammunition
« Reply #25 on: 09 February 2019, 01:22:58 »
LRM infantry cannot. Mortar infantry can.

I was wrong. There is no such restriction against LRM troops. Both can fire indirectly, though mortar troops require TacOps to do so.

Was there a particular page or post that clarified that?  :)

 

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