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Messe Main Battle Tank
« on: 10 February 2019, 00:03:23 »
Sticking to the WW2 general naming convention started with the Patton and Rommel the Messe MBT is named in honor of Italian General Giovanni Messe.


Messe Main Battle Tank

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability:
Production Year:
Cost: 2,200,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 764

Power Plant:  220 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/10
    1  Light PPC
    2  Light Machine Guns
    1  CASE
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:
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==Background==
The last 50 years the Aporian Republic has been working toward the Messe Main Battle Tank. The Republic has been expanding its industrial base and technical expertise to become totally self-sufficient in terms of arms production. To do this the Republic has resorted to licensed production of some equipment, government funded research and development, and not a little subterfuge to develop the talent and resources.

==Design==
The Messe MBT may not be state of the art in terms of Inner Sphere technology and design but it is state of the art for the Aporian Republic. In line with standard Aporian practice the tank is on the lighter side and fuel cell powered to help keep costs down; its primary firepower is the tried and true Hispano Fabrica 107 autocannon (AC/10), a weapon the Aporians have been producing for decades. The Messe’s electronics are obsolete by most any standard but they are robust, very reliable and, more than adequate for the task. In fact, the Messe has only two technologies that are anything close to new tech: its armor and its secondary weapon, a light PPC.

The Messe is the first Aporian armored vehicle design to be equipped with ferro-fibrous armor, which is produced on the Republic’s capitol world of Trentino. The light PPC has been purchased in quantity from the Capellen Confederation but given the Republic’s ambitions and current production of standard sized PPCs many analysts think it’s only a matter of time before it is building its own. It’s worth noting the Republic only began standard PPC production for its Hippeus Cavalry Tank a few years ago.

As a side note: the Messe was intended to be powered by a fusion engine, the same as that in the Hippeus Cavalry Tank. However, since the Republic’s industrial base has not perfected the art of producing military grade fusion engines and the expense of importing them the High Command decided the Messe will use a fuel cell like most vehicle designs in the Republic. The High Command hopes to have a functional fusion production facility by the time the Bersaglieri BattleMech is ready for production. Until then the Republic must rely on imports, mostly from the Magistracy of Canopus.
 
==Deployment==
Republic Guard plans for the Messe MBT are to replace the Cavallero medium tank on a one-for-one basis. Cavallero tanks will be shifted to reserve units, replacing elderly Skopios light tanks after refurbishment to extend their service life. Replacing all Cavalleros in frontline service is expected to take a decade or more.

==Variants==
Currently the Republic Guard has developed two variants of the Messe, a command tank and an armored recovery vehicle. The command tank exchanges some of its AC ammunition for the space for C3ISR terminal*. A fifth crewman is also shoehorned into the tank to crew the terminal. The armored recovery vehicle is fairly typical for its type equipped with a bulldozer blade to help anchor the vehicle during a difficult recovery operation and a large combination crane and winch system. The vehicle also carries a full complement of tools for recovery operations and repair work and has space for a complete tech or mechanic squad: assuming the vehicle crew is a part of that squad, which it typically is.
*1 ton of communications equipment to simulate for long range comm gear and a rudimentary C3 system.

==Combat Record==
The Messe MBT has not be involved in active combat yet but given the state of relations with the Marian Hegemony most consider it just a matter of time before it gets its baptism of fire. In realistic field exercises it has proven reliable and is popular with its crews, whether its popularity is due to its own merits or its predecessor’s lack thereof is still up in the air.


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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      30 points                5.50
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             220                      12.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             5                         4.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          0.50
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Sponson Turrets:                                                           0.50
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 143                  8.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     36       
                                          Left/Right   28/28       
                                              Turret     28       
                                                Rear     23       

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Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Light Machine Gun                            LSpT      0         1         0.50
Light Machine Gun                            RSpT      0         1         0.50
Autocannon/10                                T         3         1        12.00
Light PPC                                    T         5         1         3.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@AC/10 (30)                                  BD        -         0         3.00
@LMG (1/2) (100)                             BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 8
4t         2       2       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, EE, TUR(2/2/1, AC 1/1/0), AC 1/1/0

« Last Edit: 09 March 2019, 01:39:02 by boilerman »
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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #1 on: 04 March 2019, 13:04:30 »
I avoid using energy weapons in non-fusion driven vehicles. Maybe a RAC/5 instead of the PPCs is an option.

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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #2 on: 04 March 2019, 14:28:02 »
That PPC is a total of 7.5 tons, so there's not a lot of alternative heavy weapons that would fit...

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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #3 on: 04 March 2019, 15:49:43 »
Hmm.

I think if I was to try a different weapon from the LPPC I would look at 1 of 2 options.


1.   LAC5 w/ 2 Ammo & 3rd LMG

2.  Medium Laser + 2 SHS + LRM5 + 1 Ammo + 2 more LMG


Either way I love the tonnage of this thing.

JUST outside the Small Vehicle Bay.

Too large for a Seeker to transport it,  wasted tonnage for a Triumph to transport it.   

Its the ultimate, "Stay home as a Militia/Garrison unit" sized tank.

I used the same tonnage for an ICE powered Tank/IVF that I created a while back for just those reasons.

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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #4 on: 09 March 2019, 01:32:44 »
Thanks for the comments guys.

I do like the tonnage for this tank Hellraiser for the same reasons.

Generally I don't put energy weapons on non-fusion equipped vehicles either but I wanted an organic feeling tank here rather than a perfect one. The light PPC is a bit of a hold over from when High Command wanted a fusion powered tank but had to settle for fuel cells.

It happens a lot in design projects: a decision is made early in the process and it makes sense then. But as the design evolves somethings aren't changed and by the time the design is finished some decisions don't seem to make sense. Happens a lot in my line of work.

Here's the TRO for the planned fusion powered version.

Messe F Main Battle Tank

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 2,650,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 828

Power Plant:  220 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/10
    1  Light PPC
    2  Small Pulse Lasers
    1 Unknown CASE
    1  Cargo, Standard (0.5 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      30 points                5.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                220                      15.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Sponson Turrets:                                                           0.50
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 161                  9.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     40       
                                          Left/Right   32/32       
                                              Turret     32       
                                                Rear     25       

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Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Small Pulse Laser                            LSpT      2         1         1.00
Small Pulse Laser                            RSpT      2         1         1.00
Autocannon/10                                T         3         1        12.00
Light PPC                                    T         5         1         3.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@AC/10 (30)                                  BD        -         0         3.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 8
4t         3       2       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, TUR(2/2/1, AC 1/1/0), AC 1/1/0

« Last Edit: 09 March 2019, 01:53:49 by boilerman »
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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #5 on: 11 March 2019, 17:59:56 »

Either way I love the tonnage of this thing.

JUST outside the Small Vehicle Bay.

Too large for a Seeker to transport it,  wasted tonnage for a Triumph to transport it.   



I dislike it for the exact same reason.  But then again, I dislike suboptimal designs in general.

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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #6 on: 16 March 2019, 12:34:50 »
so this was a Bradley project style?
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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #7 on: 16 March 2019, 12:59:53 »

... I dislike suboptimal designs in general.
It's easy to optimize when you do not have to worry about anything but the game board.

But to each their own.
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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #8 on: 16 March 2019, 13:02:26 »
so this was a Bradley project style?
Not intentionally.
Just trying to put some real world into a design for a personal faction that does not have infinite resources.
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Re: Messe Main Battle Tank
« Reply #9 on: 24 March 2019, 10:21:04 »
I like it! And I like the background. I like vehicles and mechs with imperfections and quirks, it adds to the story.
  I have a homegrown independant Periphery world set in 3081 that has spent 30 years gathering the resources to retool an old Industrial mech plant to make Battlemechs (the have to import fusion engines from questionable sources though and most weapons are bought as bulk salvage and refurbished) but they can only make mech using 3025 introtech. It works to an extent for home defense, but the first raider who shows up with a salvage Clan mech.... Ouch, the militia is going to have a bad day.... 😃 But that's the FUN part for me!!