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'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« on: 08 June 2019, 19:10:08 »
I'm confused. Which of the latest TRO and Record Sheet books have the retconned Unseen 'Mechs in them, i.e. Marauder, Rifleman, Ost 'Mechs, Phoenix Hawk, Valkyrie, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, etc.?  I'm playing a campaign during the 3rd Succession War, but am I right that the Record Sheets and TRO: Succession Wars and Record Sheets and TRO: 3039 don't have them?
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« Reply #1 on: 08 June 2019, 19:41:04 »
Record Sheets 3039 unabridged has the record sheets for the original unseens and their era appropriate variants.

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« Reply #2 on: 08 June 2019, 20:15:39 »
Only the images were affected, the stats never changed.

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« Reply #3 on: 08 June 2019, 21:25:55 »
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« Reply #4 on: 09 June 2019, 01:17:29 »
Check the downloads section of the main site, it has a PDF of the ones in the new big box set.
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« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2019, 12:21:25 »
Only the images were affected, the stats never changed.
….even in cases where the stats probably SHOULD have been changed.

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« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2019, 14:46:44 »
….even in cases where the stats probably SHOULD have been changed.

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« Reply #7 on: 11 June 2019, 15:50:16 »
Even with the new hands on the Ostscout?

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« Reply #8 on: 11 June 2019, 20:51:34 »
Even with the new hands on the Ostscout?

Well...it always had hands statwise...

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« Reply #9 on: 11 June 2019, 21:05:33 »
Well...it always had hands statwise...

The original Ostscout didn't have hands, it had those weird sensor spikes.

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« Reply #10 on: 11 June 2019, 21:16:32 »
The original Ostscout didn't have hands, it had those weird sensor spikes.

The record sheet always had hands.
Correction: I believe there was an intermediate RS that removed the hands, but the original and current RS have hands.
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« Reply #11 on: 11 June 2019, 21:31:50 »
What's the current record sheet in?  Because my copy of RS:3039 Unabridged does not have hands, just lower arm actuators.

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« Reply #12 on: 11 June 2019, 22:06:27 »
Record Sheets Succession Wars.
I thought the latest 3039 did as well, but I just looked and you are correct that one does not have hands.  But the 2010 RS 3039u did have hands.  Then the RS3039 (2007?) did not. 
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« Reply #13 on: 11 June 2019, 22:15:43 »
Only the images were affected, the stats never changed.

The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version
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« Reply #14 on: 11 June 2019, 22:29:12 »
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

You newcomers with your fancy double heat sinks. :)
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« Reply #15 on: 11 June 2019, 23:12:48 »
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

As did the Blackjack and Scorpion.

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« Reply #16 on: 12 June 2019, 00:01:06 »
The point was that the original stats for the mechs that were affected by the lawsuit were not removed from the game and could still be used as-is , just without official artwork to represent them. 

The inclusion of the 2750 downgrades filled in the missing units until the proper resolution could be found.  Was it a a perfect solution?   No,  but there wasn't much else that could be done at the time without an extensive and expensive retcon.
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

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« Reply #17 on: 12 June 2019, 06:27:55 »
You newcomers with your fancy double heat sinks. :)

Seems crazy....

Almost as crazy as having more than 1 kind of autocannon.  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: 12 June 2019, 09:27:26 »
i like to imagine there being this ongoing raging argument amongst the FASA staff about the ostscout

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« Reply #19 on: 12 June 2019, 09:44:23 »
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

My favourite error from that era was the UrbanMech in the 1996 vintage RS: 3050 had no internal structure diagram.  It was a common joke in our group at the time that you couldn't destroy it outside of a lucky double one because you couldn't mark off internal structure damage on the sheet.
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« Reply #20 on: 17 June 2019, 19:03:30 »
BattleTech Commandment 6: Thou shalt not invalidate ye olde sheets

... unless it's Artemis IV in the head or FF armor rounding...

You forgot Fractional Accounting for all those 3025/26 Vehicles.

I think Commandment-6 got tossed out long ago.

Which is a shame because in most cases there was a simple alternative that wouldn't have invalidated those RS.
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« Reply #21 on: 17 June 2019, 19:25:49 »
In order to forget one must know in the first place.

The FF change was the most widespread (if minor) change. What else have they done besides the above changes?

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« Reply #22 on: 17 June 2019, 19:38:44 »
Some vehicles (from 3026) were tweaked... The Warrior springs to mind.

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« Reply #23 on: 17 June 2019, 19:54:36 »
Some vehicles (from 3026) were tweaked... The Warrior springs to mind.

That’s the fractional accounting change Hellraiser mentioned.
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« Reply #24 on: 17 June 2019, 20:16:26 »
Right, I was just naming one explicitly...

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« Reply #25 on: 17 June 2019, 20:30:32 »
Right, I was just naming one explicitly...

Oops, got it now.
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