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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #180 on: 14 June 2019, 21:35:57 »
This Kickstarter could well be the final straw to get me to finally take the plunge into collecting Battletech, even if just for painting some up for display purposes!

Living in regional Australia has meant that I've been unable to get my hands on the new big boxed set for anything approaching a reasonable price thus far, so my question is: will the base Clan Invasion box come with the full core rulebook alongside the clan-tech rules? If not, are there any plans to include it (alongside extra maps and the like) as add-ons?

Mighty Ape just had 4 box sets go up on both their main website and ebay store this past week, all are sold now, but I suspect they might have more stock and are drip feeding them into the community, keep an eye on them. Price was excellent too...$81 AUD with the free ebay code and $10 shipping to anywhere in NZ or AU...

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #181 on: 14 June 2019, 21:54:31 »
Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.

They'll state a date on the Kickstarter for expected delivery, I suppose the average for boardgames would be about a year...so maybe July 2020. There's a good chance this will slip by anywhere from 2-4 months on average (sometimes they are delivered on or before time, sometimes they are delayed by more). You'll hear horror stories, everyone likes to tell those and it makes it sound much worse than it is, however I've been involved in over a dozen Kickstarters and they have all been successful and delivered, the longest delay for one of mine was about a year, but a number of them also came in on time or even earlier than expected.

Also, throughout the waiting period, you'll receive updates on the progress of the campaign, so you'll be informed.

If CGL have managed to organise, have manufactured and delivered the Beginner Box set and the AGoAC box set, then I'm absolutely sure they'll easily manage to do the same with the Clan Invasion box set and add-ons...they've got a demonstrated ability to fulfil these kinds of box sets...the only uncertain part is the time period, due to various industry factors (which will often be outside of CGL's sphere if influence). So I wouldn't feel that you *maybe* will get what you pledge for, but rather you *may* have to wait longer than the stated expected delivery date.

On Kickstarter I'm always wary of new companies, or pop-up companies that run a large Kickstarter campaign with masses of stretch goals and add-ons, but with companies like CGL, who have a demonstrated ability to successfully produce and deliver something, and have been around for quite some time consistently producing material...I'm not concerned...expect delays, definitely, but with these guys it is a very safe bet that you will get what you paid for (and likely for cheaper than you would if you waited for it to go to retail).


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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #182 on: 15 June 2019, 02:17:49 »
Lorcan Nagle's breakdown here was super - https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939

I've supported a few kickstarters in the past (one being the Battletech game and the other being thingy...err..Elite Dangerous) and whilst there are horror stories out there about kickstarters going horribly wrong or just going on and on, most of those seem to be active cons offering the moon and stars or stuff that flat out breaks the laws of thermodynamics in one case.

I'm sure we're not going to have that problem here, and I look forwards to supporting this one to the best of my abilities.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #183 on: 15 June 2019, 04:35:13 »
Mighty Ape just had 4 box sets go up on both their main website and ebay store this past week, all are sold now, but I suspect they might have more stock and are drip feeding them into the community, keep an eye on them. Price was excellent too...$81 AUD with the free ebay code and $10 shipping to anywhere in NZ or AU...

Cheers, I'll keep an eye on them! I know the beginner set is easier to get one's hands on, but lacking the full rulebook makes it a less appealing option over the AGoAC box. I suppose it is a good sign that the new plastics have proven far more popular than expected, but I do hope Catalyst gets a new print run into the wild soon!

I'm sure that jumping into the game with the Clan box might be jumping into the deep end a bit, but I started my interest in the franchise by playing Mechwarrior 2 back in the day and feel the need for that Timberwolf nearly as much as the Marauder and Warhammer! All I need now is to hear that the Mad Dog is getting a plastic sculpt, and I'll be fairly set for all my favorites.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #184 on: 15 June 2019, 04:56:15 »
Cheers, I'll keep an eye on them! I know the beginner set is easier to get one's hands on, but lacking the full rulebook makes it a less appealing option over the AGoAC box. I suppose it is a good sign that the new plastics have proven far more popular than expected, but I do hope Catalyst gets a new print run into the wild soon!

I'm sure that jumping into the game with the Clan box might be jumping into the deep end a bit, but I started my interest in the franchise by playing Mechwarrior 2 back in the day and feel the need for that Timberwolf nearly as much as the Marauder and Warhammer! All I need now is to hear that the Mad Dog is getting a plastic sculpt, and I'll be fairly set for all my favorites.

No worries mate, also keep your eye on a store in Perth called Alpha Strike, they stock lots of BT stuff and will be getting the AGoAC box set back in-stock as soon as they can.

You probably already knew, but in case you didn't, you can get the full range of rulebooks on PDF from the CGL Store, Drive Thru RPG and Wargame Vault for quite cheap.

Agreed on the Mad Dog, it would be criminal to leave that beauty out of the plastic Mech line-up!!! :)

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #185 on: 15 June 2019, 06:15:22 »
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 16 original Clan Omni's, so if there are 5 in the Command Star and 5 in the Assault Star, I'm guessing the box itself will contain, so which one gets left out?

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #186 on: 15 June 2019, 07:52:33 »
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 16 original Clan Omni's, so if there are 5 in the Command Star and 5 in the Assault Star, I'm guessing the box itself will contain, so which one gets left out?

there will be more than one missing, as the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat aren't part of the original 16. So if we assume we'll see a total of 15 clan Mechs from these three products, at most 13 of the originals will be in.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #187 on: 15 June 2019, 09:47:23 »
Sometimes companies use Kickstarter as more of a preordering platform rather than a platform to fully develop a game idea, especially so for established companies.

Could it be that with seemingly the artwork and 3D sculpts already done, and rules already written and probably formatted, that CGL are already a long way into the process of having developed this Clan Invasion Box Set, and that this upcoming Kickstarter is more of a preorder process, rather than a full development process of a game from its infancy...and if so, will we perhaps have a shorter expected delivery date than you would for games being developed from their beginnings?

Yes, I am sitting on my couch at home, late at night, using my two thumbs on a tablet screen to wildly speculate because I'm a little bored...if it wasn't so cold outside, I'd go and prime the two Plastic Wolverines I've just finished rebasing...but it is cold, so I'm speculating instead...

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #188 on: 15 June 2019, 09:49:46 »
I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )

I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.  We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle.  I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes.  :)


Sometimes companies use Kickstarter as more of a preordering platform rather than a platform to fully develop a game idea, especially so for established companies.

Could it be that with seemingly the artwork and 3D sculpts already done, and rules already written and probably formatted, that CGL are already a long way into the process of having developed this Clan Invasion Box Set, and that this upcoming Kickstarter is more of a preorder process, rather than a full development process of a game from its infancy...and if so, will we perhaps have a shorter expected delivery date than you would for games being developed from their beginnings?

Yes, I am sitting on my couch at home, late at night, using my two thumbs on a tablet screen to wildly speculate because I'm a little bored...if it wasn't so cold outside, I'd go and prime the two Plastic Wolverines I've just finished rebasing...but it is cold, so I'm speculating instead...

I think it's more that they've done the proper prep work for a successful kickstarter.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #189 on: 15 June 2019, 10:09:16 »
Let's see, the actual KS is for Clan Invasion Box Set with at least Timber Wolf, and 4 others.

Stretch goals include "lance packs":
Clan Command Star: Dire Wolf, Shadow Cat, Mist Lynx, Stormcrow, Summoner
Clan Attack Star: Warhawk, Nova Cat, and 3 others

These add up to at least 6 of the original 16. At least 2 outside of the original 16 are included.

IS Command Lance: Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger
IS Battle Lance: Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, and 2 others

Missing Classics, after adding up the beginner box, AGOAC and the KS lance packs:
Rifleman, Wasp, Crusader.

I'd assume there will be at least third "lance pack" stretch goal for each side, possibly more.
I would expect we'll see all Classics for the Inner Sphere, along with some remodeled ones (personally wishing for Raven, Atlas, Cataphract, and JagerMech).
For the Clans, all original 16 is possible but is it probable? Personally i've huge issue with incomplete sets, and the original 16 form a set.
As for Clan 'Mechs beyond the original 16, which ones are popular? The Shadow Cat and Nova Cat are as far i can determine, probably one reason they've been chosen to the "lance packs".
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #190 on: 15 June 2019, 10:13:14 »
"And there's more to unlock on both sides!"

This line coming straight after the explanation of the additional Star and Lance packs that are mentioned as being planned, could very well mean that there are more Star and Lance packs planned...so we may indeed see all of the original invasion Omni Mechs as well as Clan Mechs that came a little later, like we've already seen...we may also see an IS Assault Lance...and perhaps a full Star of Elementals!!!

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« Reply #191 on: 15 June 2019, 10:18:51 »
You may view them as a set, but I am inclined to think they will use Clan mechs that are recongized- which means video games and MWDA IMO.  Which easily explains the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat . . . and why the Mist Lynx (MWDA) is the one light we know of to be included.  As I said in another thread, its hard to imagine the Fire Moth being included b/c its a finesse unit and rather fragile.  The Viper and Ice Ferret already have two near that weight and bring nothing more than we are really going to get with the Mist Lynx & Grendel- sure a bit slower but the electronics and jumping are represented.  The Gargoyle has never been in a video game after MW2 and was not in MWDA, so as much as I want it I figure its out.  But I would expect the Cougar and Cauldron Born- Cougar b/c its been in nearly everything video game wise (even MechAssault) & MWDA while the Cauldron Born has been in the games.  Then again, the Executioner was in the same boat as the Ice Ferret & Gargoyle but seems to be in so who knows.

A full star of Elementals would be a bad idea IMO- MAYBE a Battle Armor Pack, but you are more likely IMO to end up with a Wolf Clan Command Star.  Four Omnis and a BA point- or maybe a Nova of 5 mechs and 5 BA points, but that would set it apart price wise from the rest.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #192 on: 15 June 2019, 10:31:20 »
It just occurred to me, this would likely be a great vehicle with which to reveal a redone Kingfisher...
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« Reply #193 on: 15 June 2019, 10:37:32 »
Except I kind of like the brick that is the Kingfisher the way it is.
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« Reply #194 on: 15 June 2019, 10:39:53 »
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #195 on: 15 June 2019, 10:51:30 »
I've been dancing on this for a while. Just been in a reading state. Toying between selling stuff, or going for occasional play.

Lately, been more and more excited, goign from contemplating playing to "how to get a group going". Now, after reading this, I'm sort  of at this state.

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« Reply #196 on: 15 June 2019, 11:16:51 »

I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.

I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.  We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle.  I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes.  :)

They got an outside company in for the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter, that's where the problems are. As of my last update, the fulfillment warehouse had messed (wrong packages, duplicate deliveries) up ~900 orders to the point that they don't have enough games left to fulfill everyone's rewards.

CGL have promised to get it sorted at no cost to backers and I trust them to do so but the delay is frustrating and it must be costing CGL a lot.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #197 on: 15 June 2019, 11:30:05 »
Yeah, they have had warehouse problems before, unfortunately that is what happens when you are a small company and have to contract with others.  I hope the folks who got the extra Shadow Run deliveries returned them but knowing people, some will not be sent back.  Euphonium, it sounds like you followed that . . . out of curiosity, did they invite or offer extras for sale to FLGS?

Our local store just started carrying from IWM after their distributor dropped them, so I am wondering if this is something we might need to mention to them.  This would look great on the shelf next to the Beginner and GoAC box . . . Clan Invasion box is so much easier to say than Game of Armored Combat.
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« Reply #198 on: 15 June 2019, 11:51:17 »
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
And lacking a beer-belly.   ;)
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« Reply #199 on: 15 June 2019, 12:07:34 »
Yeah, they have had warehouse problems before, unfortunately that is what happens when you are a small company and have to contract with others.  I hope the folks who got the extra Shadow Run deliveries returned them but knowing people, some will not be sent back.  Euphonium, it sounds like you followed that . . . out of curiosity, did they invite or offer extras for sale to FLGS?

Yes, I backed the Sprawl Ops KS and am following closely since I've got over $150 sunk on it. The rumour mill says that the warehouse broke open the EU container to source the extras that got sent out, so there's a good chance I'm just going to be out of luck.

Based on the discussion on the KS page some those who got duplicates and went to Origin returned the extras to the CGL booth and many others have expressed willingness to mail them back, but there are also a fair number of copies showing up on eBay with asking prices around $200-$250  >:(

I don't recall seeing anything aimed at FLGS, sorry.
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« Reply #200 on: 15 June 2019, 12:34:13 »
What omnimechs would count as invasion era?

The 12 in TRO:3050

Fire Moth (Dasher)
Mist Lynx (Koshi)
Kit Fox (Uller)
Adder (Puma)
Viper (Dragonfly)
Ice Ferret (Fenris)
Nova (Black Hawk)
Stormcrow (Ryoken)
Mad Dog (Vulture)
Hellbringer (Loki)
Summoner (Thor)
Timber Wolf (Mad Cat)
Gargoyle (Man O' War)
Warhawk (Masakari)
Executioner (Gladiator)
Dire Wolf (Daishi)

The three from the Luthien scenario Pack (Later TRO:3058)

Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu)
Huntsman (Nobori-nin)
Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born)

The three from the Black Thorns scenario pack (Later TRO:3058)

Mongrel (Grendel)
Kingfisher
Shadow Cat

And three more from the 3055 and 3058 TROs.

Naga
Battle Cobra
Crossbow



That's 21 total. Assuming the Naga is dropped (Advanced tech, off-board specialist) we need to get four boxes of stars for all of them. Then we can get to work on the second line.  [/jest]  EDIT - looks like we already get the supernova.

But assuming we only get three boxes, what further five would you drop?

Ebon Jaguar. Just never liked it.
Adder. Heat hot that's too expensive in BPV.
Executioner. whatever.
Timber Wolf. Cheesefest.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #201 on: 15 June 2019, 12:44:16 »
Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr and Turkina were in service by Tukayyid at the latest.

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« Reply #202 on: 15 June 2019, 12:46:50 »
Missing the WCSB, JFSB and ICSB- except for the Naga, all of which are supposed to be at Tukayyid
Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker, Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr, Turkina- only one I can think off of the top of my head for ICSB is Kodiak, but that is not a Omni

And more from 3055 & 3058 . . . but if you look at the era website, you also have to include 3060.  And we are told that TRO Clan Invasion will include some from 3067 as well since their IC build date will be before the invasion.

So . . .

Cougar
Battle Cobra (Tuk)
Grendel (Tuk)
Stooping Hawk (could be Tuk)
Crossbow (Tuk)
Nova Cat (already in we are told)
Blood Asp

'67 mostly has secondline designs that might appear in CI

Lol . . . your four?  Drops a iconic design we are already told in, the Adder is only hot as a Prime and it with the Executioner have been hinted at before.  Your math is also off, we get 16 Omnis in TRO 3050.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #203 on: 15 June 2019, 12:52:41 »
*facepalm* Just woke up, math hard before caffeine.

The timber Wolf was a joke, but I dislike it because it always has done more to me than I've been able to do with it.

And I'd certainly include the kingfisher before the supernova
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« Reply #204 on: 15 June 2019, 13:35:07 »
Thanks Catalyst  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #205 on: 15 June 2019, 14:56:54 »
I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.  We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle.  I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes.  :)


They got an outside company in for the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter, that's where the problems are. As of my last update, the fulfillment warehouse had messed (wrong packages, duplicate deliveries) up ~900 orders to the point that they don't have enough games left to fulfill everyone's rewards.

CGL have promised to get it sorted at no cost to backers and I trust them to do so but the delay is frustrating and it must be costing CGL a lot.

Then I amend my previous statement.

I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in a competent outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment. 

I sure don't want a repeat of the failures you described.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #206 on: 15 June 2019, 15:01:25 »
CGL doesn’t own their own warehouse. There will be an outside company involved in that. Just as with all their products.  You don’t distribute something the size of BattleTech from your house.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #207 on: 15 June 2019, 15:16:26 »
First off, thanks CGL this is awesome!   :thumbsup:


I'll probably donate some money to this project purely as a fan to help out since, on the downside, I'm not sure I "need" start a 2nd star of Timberwolves.  ;)

Here's hoping the rest of the star is something I only own 0-1 of, lol.

That Command Star looks nice,  while I also have about a star each of D-Wolves & Summoners, the other 3 are much more rare in my collection with 2-5 total combined of all 3 chassis.
I 'think' I own at least 1 of the Storm Crow & Mist Lynx, but no more than 2 & I 'think' I might have 1 Shadow Cat but that's it. 
I really need to finish that inventory at some point, doh.


The Command LANCE also looks nice,  only own 2 of the Unseen Marauder & 1 Valkyrie in my collection so another won't hurt. 
Archer & Stinger are more plentiful at a lance+ each but that Archer Sculpt is worth owning just for the pure awesomeness of it!


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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #208 on: 15 June 2019, 15:16:56 »
CGL doesn’t own their own warehouse. There will be an outside company involved in that. Just as with all their products.  You don’t distribute something the size of BattleTech from your house.

In that case I can’t wait for a shipping confirmation three days after delivery ;D

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« Reply #209 on: 15 June 2019, 16:12:05 »

I 'think' I own at least 1 of the Storm Crow & Mist Lynx, but no more than 2 & I 'think' I might have 1 Shadow Cat but that's it. 


How do you have so few Ryoken? They're among the most brutal mechs in the invasion era.

That's one I'm looking forward to. I've got one kitted up in b, and a prime will be nice. hopefully they'll be able to be got as singles, as I'd want more than one, but not more daishi (2) or thor (3)

 

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