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Arthur Steiner Davion
« on: 08 September 2019, 13:44:09 »
Did they ever find Arthur Steiner Davion.  Since I had the impression he was on Mars being groomed by the Master

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« Reply #1 on: 08 September 2019, 20:13:13 »
According to Sarna he was assassinated on December 6th, 3062, which is apparently the spark that started the fire known as the FedCom Civil War.

Supposedly he faked his death and would later reappear as Devlin Stone, as the Sarna page says their general philosophies were identical.

There's been no official confirmation for this though, so take it with a grain of salt.

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« Reply #2 on: 08 September 2019, 20:27:32 »
There was a hint in Total Chaos source book that he was working with the WoB as a Prescentor. As one of the three Mercs working for the Wob and saw someone whom they thought that he looked like him. However the book is canon but given random choice its adventure. So it may not be canon solid. Maybe canon rumor.
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« Reply #3 on: 08 September 2019, 20:50:40 »
The Arthur=Stone was mostly a fan theory shot down by most writers as Devlin Stone not only looks and sounds different but is also taller than Arthur.

I personally never liked the idea of Arthur being some random Wobbie in the background, gives his character allot less gravity.

IMO, don't think Arthur survived. The Shadow Division may have grab him for the same reasons ComStar grabbed Fotch but no indication he recovered from his wounds. If he did, most likely was jetted off with the remains of the MD to who-knows-where and might as well be dead.
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Re: Arthur Steiner Davion
« Reply #4 on: 08 September 2019, 22:40:26 »
Playing conspiracy theory but since the German word for “Stone” is “Stein”, this could mean anything but Devlin Stein(-er) does have a distinct similarity to Davion-Steiner

Also I believe Devlin Stone gave Prince Julian a mech named Arthur in TRO 3145/50 (can’t recall which)

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« Reply #5 on: 08 September 2019, 22:55:34 »
i'm pretty sure that Arthur was a plot thread that FASA was going to use in the original planned version of the Jihad, and that when we had the multiple company changeovers and the resulting changes in creative staff and outlines, it was a plot thread that got forgotten.

i don't think that Stone is Arthur.. as pointed out, the two men are way too different physically. far more than could be accounted for by cosmetic surgery.

i suspect that Arthur's fate will be tackled eventually.. Catalyst has shown a strong willingness to take a lot of those hanging plot threads and mysteries and use them to weave new stories, either to progress the timeline or to create interesting side stories that enrich earlier periods.

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« Reply #6 on: 08 September 2019, 22:59:57 »
We know Arthur survives the bombing and the implication is he’s pretty badly mangled by the blast - hence recovering in some sensory deprivation tank as they regrow.
That would fit with him becoming one of the Master’s Chosen cyborgs.

Is he Lucifier? The Word of Blake MD who works on Terra with St Jamias? That would fit with the Total Chaos reference to seeing a MD that resembles Hanse Davion.


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« Reply #7 on: 09 September 2019, 00:25:06 »
We know Arthur survives the bombing and the implication is he’s pretty badly mangled by the blast - hence recovering in some sensory deprivation tank as they regrow.
That would fit with him becoming one of the Master’s Chosen cyborgs.

Is he Lucifier? The Word of Blake MD who works on Terra with St Jamias? That would fit with the Total Chaos reference to seeing a MD that resembles Hanse Davion.

Lucifer was confirmed by one of the writers to be someone else but I can't for the life of me remember who.
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« Reply #8 on: 09 September 2019, 15:52:46 »
FASA novel plot lines unfortunately were no longer solid one serial production of original core novels ceased.
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« Reply #9 on: 09 September 2019, 16:39:45 »
I think Ray on the boards mentioned Stone was going to be a Rabid Fox operative, which explains his skill set. Never had a chance to come up so it just sort of became a moot point.

If we had novels to carry us through the Jihad, we might have seen that and what happened to Arthur. Arthur may have had a big role to play in the Jihad, but behind the scenes that only a novel could cover.

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« Reply #10 on: 09 September 2019, 18:11:36 »
I think Ray on the boards mentioned Stone was going to be a Rabid Fox operative, which explains his skill set. Never had a chance to come up so it just sort of became a moot point.

If we had novels to carry us through the Jihad, we might have seen that and what happened to Arthur. Arthur may have had a big role to play in the Jihad, but behind the scenes that only a novel could cover.

Obviously, not technically canon as it was just posted here, but one of the authors confirmed this.
Remember in Masters and Minions there is the implication that Devlin Stone fits the description of the following: a merchant dropship captain from Liao space, a FedSun militia mechwarrior, a construction worker and at least one other person.
The writer confirmed in a post here that Stone was supposed to be ALL of them. They were all just various cover identities for a Stealthy Fox.


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« Reply #11 on: 09 September 2019, 18:48:50 »
Yeah, if we ever do get those novels, I hope they keep with the original idea. Just because we know what happens doesn't mean we can't get an interesting or compelling story.

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« Reply #12 on: 09 September 2019, 19:17:47 »
Yeah, if we ever do get those novels, I hope they keep with the original idea. Just because we know what happens doesn't mean we can't get an interesting or compelling story.

I absolutely agree with this, which is why I was so excited for "The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance" on NetFlix. Just cause we know how the overall story ends, doesn't mean there aren't stories waiting to be told from the past.

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« Reply #13 on: 09 September 2019, 19:19:48 »
Someone who understands the 3025 fan base!  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #14 on: 09 September 2019, 23:37:04 »
I'll chip in with remembering a writer saying something, somewhere, some time about ASD being the original plant for Stone, but going in a different direction with it.
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« Reply #15 on: 09 September 2019, 23:39:56 »
Lucifer was confirmed by one of the writers to be someone else but I can't for the life of me remember who.

IIRC it was confirmed to be Ravanna, post Thuggee-MD.
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« Reply #16 on: 10 September 2019, 04:35:41 »
IIRC it was confirmed to be Ravanna, post Thuggee-MD.

I just looked. And you’re right. Meanwhile, who the hell was Ravanna? He’s just sorta appeared as the head of the Thugee MD


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« Reply #17 on: 10 September 2019, 17:45:21 »
He probably spare parts now in some lost WoB vault.
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« Reply #18 on: 10 September 2019, 18:10:46 »
Ugh, now there's a creepy thought.  Just as Mechs were frankensteined to keep them going during the succession wars, Domini soldiers being maintained with salvaged cybernetics.
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« Reply #19 on: 11 September 2019, 23:37:21 »
Ugh, now there's a creepy thought.  Just as Mechs were frankensteined to keep them going during the succession wars, Domini soldiers being maintained with salvaged cybernetics.

I like to imagine that part of the personality/memories of the former host survive in their salvaged parts.
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« Reply #20 on: 12 September 2019, 00:26:30 »
Arthur Steiner-Davion was turned into the Six-Million C-Bill Man.
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« Reply #21 on: 12 September 2019, 00:29:06 »
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Ewww...

I actually hope the Arthur Steiner Davion story line goes in a different and unexpected direction. I rather Stone be an odd footnote in BT history.
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Re: Arthur Steiner Davion
« Reply #22 on: 12 September 2019, 00:56:57 »
As someone who actually enjoyed aspects of the Dark Age, my money was on Stone being dead from the word go. That said; yeah, rather not have Arthur come back in the same fashion and turn it into a full blown trope. 
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« Reply #23 on: 13 September 2019, 22:19:41 »
@beachhead1985
Ewww...

I actually hope the Arthur Steiner Davion story line goes in a different and unexpected direction. I rather Stone be an odd footnote in BT history.

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« Reply #24 on: 14 September 2019, 05:23:47 »
Ugh, now there's a creepy thought.  Just as Mechs were frankensteined to keep them going during the succession wars, Domini soldiers being maintained with salvaged cybernetics.
I did have the idea of a Canopus-Born Merc (Obviously fanfiction) who was heavily robo'd up and started taking trophies of Manei Domini Cybernetics to replace any bits they broke as the Jihad went on... So I like this idea.
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« Reply #25 on: 14 September 2019, 13:33:40 »
In terms of characters having dual identities, my own wild theory was that curaitis and Candace liao’s youngest son Quintus were the same person.

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Re: Arthur Steiner Davion
« Reply #26 on: 14 September 2019, 20:10:35 »
I'm satisfied with the thought of Devlin Stone was originally going to be ASD and then the writers decided to go in a new direction.

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« Reply #27 on: 14 September 2019, 20:44:03 »
I'm satisfied with the thought of Devlin Stone was originally going to be ASD and then the writers decided to go in a new direction.

That was my conclusion too.  I'm also fine that they went another direction if that was the case - I think the overall story was much better with Stone not being ASD.

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« Reply #28 on: 14 September 2019, 21:02:01 »
Just to prove that the universe can be run by someone who's not named Steiner-Davion?
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« Reply #29 on: 14 September 2019, 21:30:24 »
Just to prove that the universe can be run by someone who's not named Steiner-Davion?

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« Reply #30 on: 14 September 2019, 23:21:24 »
I did have the idea of a Canopus-Born Merc (Obviously fanfiction) who was heavily robo'd up and started taking trophies of Manei Domini Cybernetics to replace any bits they broke as the Jihad went on... So I like this idea.

My recent non-canon mercs were led by a CO who lost an arm and replaced it with a bionic one hacked from the MD who blew his arm away.
I think Felix ended up with one bionic arm (lost on Donegal) and a leg (shot out of his Mech on Skye).

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« Reply #31 on: 15 September 2019, 11:57:45 »
Can we have a kickstarter to get 3067-forward spine novels???

Yeah, if we ever do get those novels, I hope they keep with the original idea. Just because we know what happens doesn't mean we can't get an interesting or compelling story.

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« Reply #32 on: 15 September 2019, 12:16:15 »
Shadows of Faith was supposed to be the first but went unfinished. Embers of War sets off the main characters toward Outreach at the same time as the WoB attack commences.

My copy of Embers also has the first chapter of Shadows as a bonus. Unsure if they included that as an intended sneak peak of a future release or just a epilogue to show the death of Jaime Wolf and act as a lead-in for the extant Jihad plot books. The c/w on Embers is 2015/16 so TPTB may have switched direction at that time on whether to finish Shadows.

Whatever the case, a printing of Redemption Rift is tentatively slated next along with the second and third books in the Rogue Academy trilogy

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« Reply #33 on: 16 September 2019, 08:35:57 »
Whatever the case, a printing of Redemption Rift is tentatively slated next along with the second and third books in the Rogue Academy trilogy
Is Redemption Rift the next book they announced in spine series?  jihad era novel?
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« Reply #34 on: 16 September 2019, 09:20:13 »
"What is that?..."

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« Reply #35 on: 16 September 2019, 16:11:01 »
Is Redemption Rift the next book they announced in spine series?  jihad era novel?

Redemption Rift was a BattleCorps serial novel about Wolf’s Dragoons going to work for the Draconis Combine and then fighting against the FedSuns in the Draconis Reach contested area circa 3139-40. It is being published in a single piece now.

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« Reply #36 on: 16 September 2019, 16:20:29 »
Redemption Rift was a BattleCorps serial novel about Wolf’s Dragoons going to work for the Draconis Combine and then fighting against the FedSuns in the Draconis Reach contested area circa 3139-40. It is being published in a single piece now.
Thank you, i'm looking forward buying it and reading it. I'm just doing the PoD this time if it's available.
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« Reply #37 on: 19 September 2019, 14:30:05 »
Just to prove that the universe can be run by someone who's not named Steiner-Davion?

*Pam's voice* But can it really . . ?

Considering VSD was such a big part of Stone's government & plans . . .
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« Reply #38 on: 19 September 2019, 15:54:25 »
even the dune universe didn't need the God Emperor after a while.

granted Chapterhouse was kind of a mess without him...

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« Reply #39 on: 19 September 2019, 18:49:40 »
But it was a good kind of mess... that and Heretics are my two favorite Dune books...

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« Reply #40 on: 19 September 2019, 22:09:48 »
*Pam's voice* But can it really . . ?

Considering VSD was such a big part of Stone's government & plans . . .

Was he though? The 3080s era source books makes me really feel like Lear was desperate to keep him on the periphery if policy, while he set the agenda for Stone.
Same way he was desperate to sideline Belle Lee to ensure she didn’t push back against said agenda.


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« Reply #41 on: 20 September 2019, 06:58:23 »
Perhaps im in minority but i did hope ASD was to become Stone. Set up in Pardoe's book was to good to undermind it. It was a damn shame.
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« Reply #42 on: 20 September 2019, 09:30:33 »
I like to imagine that part of the personality/memories of the former host survive in their salvaged parts.

And now I have a version of that old joke stuck in my head.

“What, do you have a little Steiner-Davion in you?” (Pulls off his medical ID wristband) “I do now.”

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« Reply #43 on: 20 September 2019, 10:14:01 »
And now I have a version of that old joke stuck in my head.

“What, do you have a little Steiner-Davion in you?” (Pulls off his medical ID wristband) “I do now.”
By now, all the royals in the Inner Sphere probably have a little Steiner-Davion in them.

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« Reply #44 on: 20 September 2019, 11:22:26 »
I guess Victor not the smallest of Han Davion's kids of them all.
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« Reply #45 on: 20 September 2019, 11:31:25 »
The trippy one?  Most of Vic's kids are The Master's grandkids . . .
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« Reply #46 on: 20 September 2019, 13:09:21 »
The trippy one?  Most of Vic's kids are The Master's grandkids . . .
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« Reply #47 on: 20 September 2019, 13:13:17 »
Well, I never saw anything in universe where it became widely known the Master was the real Thomas Marik.  So all of Vic's kids except Kitsune (of course, that raise's its own question of how the average Drac could overlook a kid in the royal family with a name based on a FOX!) could be going along blithely unaware until someone sprung that on them.
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« Reply #48 on: 21 September 2019, 06:22:28 »
Well, I never saw anything in universe where it became widely known the Master was the real Thomas Marik.

Maybe b/c the Master wasn't the real Thomas Marik.

Jihad:Final Reckoning straightened up that misconception.
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« Reply #49 on: 21 September 2019, 11:12:18 »
Maybe b/c the Master wasn't the real Thomas Marik.

Jihad:Final Reckoning straightened up that misconception.

Then please tell us who the real Thomas Marik was. Because Sarna, quoting Jihad: Final Reckoning among other sources, says the Master WAS in fact the real Thomas Marik.
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« Reply #50 on: 21 September 2019, 11:23:26 »
Maybe ASD is BT`s attempt of Hidden King Arthur tale?
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« Reply #51 on: 21 September 2019, 13:10:21 »
Maybe ASD is BT`s attempt of Hidden King Arthur tale?
One of many; Kerensky will return and Stone will return being the two most blatant.

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« Reply #52 on: 21 September 2019, 13:57:42 »
Then please tell us who the real Thomas Marik was. Because Sarna, quoting Jihad: Final Reckoning among other sources, says the Master WAS in fact the real Thomas Marik.

I've no idea who the Master is. But it's not Thomas Marik.

J:FR pages 3 and 4, last respectively first sentence:
The sleeves of his white robe gathered at his elbows, exposing the composite mixture of metal, plastics, and myomers that replaced the flesh and blood he had not seen in over fifty years.

April 3081 minus 50+ years is 3030 or earlier. But Thomas Marik got his implants in 3035 at the earliest.

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« Reply #53 on: 21 September 2019, 14:54:33 »
Implants yes . . . prosthetics from being close to a big boom that replaced flesh?
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« Reply #54 on: 21 September 2019, 15:08:26 »
If implants or prosthetics is irrelevant - the big boom was 3035. Not 3030 or before.
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« Reply #55 on: 21 September 2019, 15:41:17 »
Likely an error by the writer. Unless something else is peaking around, everything written both in-universe and out has stated The Master was Thomas Marik.

I would go to the Ask the Writers section.

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« Reply #56 on: 21 September 2019, 16:14:42 »
As far as I've read there was never a confirmation by TPTB - that doesn't mean anything, I know, it could have gone past me.

The same for source books - there was never a confirmation, hard evidence, only assumptions. It fit so damn good, and the people fell in love with it.

But evidence? No. Just a theory, nothing more. A theory proven wrong by this one sentence in J:FR.

It's possible you're correct and the writer made a mistake. But so what?

Personally I don't care who the Master was. He's dead, Jim.
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« Reply #57 on: 21 September 2019, 16:31:16 »
I've no idea who the Master is. But it's not Thomas Marik.

J:FR pages 3 and 4, last respectively first sentence:
The sleeves of his white robe gathered at his elbows, exposing the composite mixture of metal, plastics, and myomers that replaced the flesh and blood he had not seen in over fifty years.

April 3081 minus 50+ years is 3030 or earlier. But Thomas Marik got his implants in 3035 at the earliest.
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« Reply #58 on: 22 September 2019, 02:59:42 »
I've no idea who the Master is. But it's not Thomas Marik.

J:FR pages 3 and 4, last respectively first sentence:
The sleeves of his white robe gathered at his elbows, exposing the composite mixture of metal, plastics, and myomers that replaced the flesh and blood he had not seen in over fifty years.

April 3081 minus 50+ years is 3030 or earlier. But Thomas Marik got his implants in 3035 at the earliest.

QED.

Claiming that that sentence is evidence of anything other than the author not being pedantically precise is an incredible stretch.
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« Reply #59 on: 22 September 2019, 03:40:03 »
Maybe Tom really liked his ComStar robes and swears up he did not navel gaze for 5 years.
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« Reply #60 on: 22 September 2019, 04:45:54 »
Claiming that that sentence is evidence of anything other than the author not being pedantically precise is an incredible stretch.

A stretch? Maybe.

Incredible? I don't think so.

For me it's the only hard fact in all the reading I've done about the Jihad and WoB that proves or contradicts the assumption Master=Thomas Marik. I certainly haven't read all that is out there about this subject, so I could have missed it, but...

And considering J:FR was the last of the Jihad source books, it was the ideal book to place the deciding hint in it. And TPTB laugh oneself to death since then b/c nobody caught it.

So it can be on purpose. It can be a mistake also. But I reiterate: so what? He's dead, and it has no real effect on the known history of ComStar, WoB or the Jihad.

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« Reply #61 on: 22 September 2019, 05:14:33 »
From the back cover of JFR...

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« Reply #62 on: 22 September 2019, 05:35:11 »
My pdf of J:FR doesn't have a back cover.

So in my world nothing contradicts my line of argument.   ;)

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« Reply #63 on: 22 September 2019, 08:06:48 »
My pdf of J:FR doesn't have a back cover.

In the pdfs, the covers are sometimes placed together at the front. That image - on the back page of the hard copy - is on p2 of the pdf.

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« Reply #64 on: 23 September 2019, 00:57:09 »
But I reiterate: so what? He's dead, and it has no real effect on the known history of ComStar, WoB or the Jihad.

Because Victor and Isis popped off a series of kids, some who ended up in positions of power.  For modern purposes, its like finding out a political candidate's grandfather was Himmler and no body knew until the evidence was trotted out . . . which is why I asked IF Stone & Co actually knew the Master was Tommy Marik.  I mean, Isis has about the best distancing possible considering she was illegitimate at first and was never raised by him . . . but conspiracy theory types are never really bothered by inconvenient facts.
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« Reply #65 on: 23 September 2019, 01:52:15 »
I don't think The Master's identity was widely known or even cared about.  As far as Victor's kids are concerned, the one who's got the most to worry about if his parentage is discovered is Alaric.
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« Reply #66 on: 23 September 2019, 02:39:29 »
Well . . . maybe a bit, Danai would have more of the stigma.
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« Reply #67 on: 23 September 2019, 10:52:43 »
Which Danai has a family connection to Isis?

And what's the connection between Alaric and Isis? Except as wife of his gene-dad.

And the three kids of Isis+Victor don't seen excessively major players. At least nobody wrote something about that on Sarna.

I never read the DA novels, and DA source books only partial. So my knowledge may be a little piecemeal.
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« Reply #68 on: 23 September 2019, 11:18:14 »
And what's the connection between Alaric and Isis? Except as wife of his gene-dad.

Absolutely nothing.  But the fact that he's the genetic kid of Kathrine and Victor would make him really unpopular among the Inner Sphere.
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« Reply #69 on: 23 September 2019, 11:44:06 »
Ah oh, yeah, the "As far as Victor's kids" I've conveniently skipped reading.  :-[
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« Reply #70 on: 23 September 2019, 11:50:10 »
Danai is the daughter of Daoshen and his sister Ilsa Liao-Centrella who runs the MoC, she thought she was their younger sister . . . and would be heir-apparent to both of them.

MLO4H was referring Isis kids not having as much of a stigma as Alaric.  I was merely pointing out by going through the Clan DNA blender it does not have the same stigma as a freeborn inbreeding like Danai.

VicIs kids are in interesting places . . . Burton died before Kai though had his own kids, one of whom is involved in the Curaitis network or whatever- FS/Republic secret society?- and a few other places but we were not told that much since his children were not the prime movers like Caleb or Trillian among the SDs.  In fact, a interesting twist is the FS has now shifted from the Hanse branch to a cadet branch for a First Prince.
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« Reply #71 on: 24 September 2019, 11:46:29 »
Thomas Marik was The Master. He was replaced by ComStar with Thomas Halas, who acted as the Fake Thomas Marik after 3035. The Real Slim Shady Thomas Marik rose through the ranks of the Word after the schism

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« Reply #72 on: 24 September 2019, 12:19:43 »
BTW have we been told what happened with Quintus Allard-Liao, Kai`s younger brother?
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« Reply #73 on: 24 September 2019, 12:35:21 »
BTW have we been told what happened with Quintus Allard-Liao, Kai`s younger brother?
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