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gyedid

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Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« on: 19 September 2019, 13:05:45 »
Over in the Warlord thread on the Fan Articles forum, there's a certain longtime poster who wonders why the AFFS needs the Warlord when they have the Sagittaire, a variant of which could fill the same battlefield role as the Warlord.  So, here is my take on a Warlord-like variant of the Sag.  Still slow as a Lyran plodder, with the same armour and engine, but the tarcomp was sacrificed for the extra mass of HPPCs and extra heat sinks.

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Sagittaire SGT-11E

Mass: 95 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3063
Cost: 21,045,375 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,530

Chassis: Skuel Heavy TRQ Standard
Power Plant: Pitban 285 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: HildCo LFT 9-X
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Starshield Special Heavy Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Heavy PPCs
    1  ER PPC
    6  ER Medium Lasers
    3  Medium Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: Robinson Standard BattleWorks
    Primary Factory: Robinson
Communications System: Sony MSF-31
Targeting and Tracking System: Federated Stalker

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                     145 points                9.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             285                       8.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL                                   6.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             18(36)                    8.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 288                 18.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     30           44       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  15       
                                           L/R Torso     20           30       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                             L/R Arm     16           31       
                                             L/R Leg     20           39       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              HD        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              CT        5         1         1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           RT        10        2         2.00
ER PPC                                       RT        15        3         7.00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           LT        10        2         2.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LT        4         1         2.00
Heavy PPC                                    RA        15        4        10.00
Heavy PPC                                    LA        15        4        10.00
(R) Medium Pulse Laser                       RL        4         1         2.00
(R) Medium Pulse Laser                       LL        4         1         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     10    Points: 25
3j         4       4       2       0      4     4   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
--Arkansas Warrior, on the possibility of carrying Dropships as cargo in Warship cargo bays.

TERRAN SUPREMACY DEFENSE FORCE.  For when you want to send the SLDF, but couldn't afford the whole kit and kaboodle.

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #1 on: 19 September 2019, 21:53:03 »
Wow, that design can run hot, but it can throw a lot of damage down range!  Bracket firing is a must to avoid a shutdown.  It would be tempting to ad a cooling pod for a nasty surprise.  Nicely done.
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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #2 on: 19 September 2019, 23:53:55 »
Down the road a few decades, I’m imagining dropping the leg pulses for a RHS for some real punishment.

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #3 on: 20 September 2019, 07:45:38 »
I really like the re-arm.  However....  I really hope, for the pilot's sake, the "big red button" is also tied into the ejection system!!!
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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #4 on: 20 September 2019, 08:34:33 »
I don't see the point of the ER PPC.  It's would only seem to ever be used in the 5 hexes a Heavy PPC can't reach.  If we're going for Sagittaire with Warlord flavor, I'd swap it out for a targeting computer.  You could drop a couple heat sinks to accomodate the space.
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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #5 on: 20 September 2019, 09:13:39 »
I don't see the point of the ER PPC.  It's would only seem to ever be used in the 5 hexes a Heavy PPC can't reach.  If we're going for Sagittaire with Warlord flavor, I'd swap it out for a targeting computer.  You could drop a couple heat sinks to accomodate the space.

Well it is kinda critpacked. ERLL+4th MPL combo, ERPPC or Large Pulse for more upclose firepower might be the only options you really have room and weight for.

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #6 on: 20 September 2019, 09:50:20 »
I would almost consider (even though they suck) a large pulse.  That way you have something more viable at close range....the ERPPC is good, but the paired HPPCs are the main long range throw....much too tempting to include the ERPPC.  My 0.02$
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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #7 on: 20 September 2019, 12:16:02 »
I don't see the point of the ER PPC.  It's would only seem to ever be used in the 5 hexes a Heavy PPC can't reach.  If we're going for Sagittaire with Warlord flavor, I'd swap it out for a targeting computer.  You could drop a couple heat sinks to accomodate the space.

That is exactly what it's for.  A slow 'Mech like that needs at least one long-range stinger.  (I consider the HPPC a medium-range weapon on a modern battlefield.)  It also gives the option of a solid (if hot) 10-point hit at point-blank ranges where the HPPC's minimum range becomes an issue.

If I were going to drop the ER PPC for anything, I would do it to free up weight for a standard engine; I would sooner take that over a tarcomp.  But that's just me.

cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
--Arkansas Warrior, on the possibility of carrying Dropships as cargo in Warship cargo bays.

TERRAN SUPREMACY DEFENSE FORCE.  For when you want to send the SLDF, but couldn't afford the whole kit and kaboodle.

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #8 on: 20 September 2019, 12:17:23 »
Down the road a few decades, I’m imagining dropping the leg pulses for a RHS for some real punishment.

I had also considered IJJs in place of the MPLs and standard JJs.

cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
--Arkansas Warrior, on the possibility of carrying Dropships as cargo in Warship cargo bays.

TERRAN SUPREMACY DEFENSE FORCE.  For when you want to send the SLDF, but couldn't afford the whole kit and kaboodle.

gyedid

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #9 on: 20 September 2019, 14:20:54 »
OK, here is a standard engine variant.  More durable now, but loses the extra reach and has nothing to discourage backbiters anymore.

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Sagittaire SGT-11F

Mass: 95 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3063
Cost: 9,940,125 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,519

Chassis: Skuel Heavy TRQ Standard
Power Plant: Pitban 285 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: HildCo LFT 9-X
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Starshield Special Heavy Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Heavy PPCs
    1  ER Large Laser
    6  ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Robinson Standard BattleWorks
    Primary Factory: Robinson
Communications System: Sony MSF-31
Targeting and Tracking System: Federated Stalker

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     145 points                9.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                285                      16.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL                                   6.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             18(36)                    8.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 288                 18.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     30           44       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  15       
                                           L/R Torso     20           30       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                             L/R Arm     16           31       
                                             L/R Leg     20           39       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              HD        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              CT        5         1         1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           RT        10        2         2.00
ER Large Laser                               RT        12        2         5.00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           LT        10        2         2.00
Heavy PPC                                    RA        15        4        10.00
Heavy PPC                                    LA        15        4        10.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 11

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     10    Points: 25
3j         4       4       2       0      4     3   Structure:  8
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
--Arkansas Warrior, on the possibility of carrying Dropships as cargo in Warship cargo bays.

TERRAN SUPREMACY DEFENSE FORCE.  For when you want to send the SLDF, but couldn't afford the whole kit and kaboodle.

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #10 on: 20 September 2019, 23:53:43 »
Here is a version that is the purest translation of the Warlord's loadout onto the Sag's frame, with the tarcomp and jump jets, and no ER PPC.  And has a standard engine to boot.  It's definitely a bracket firer, though, since a few heat sinks had to be sacrificed to make it work.

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Sagittaire SGT-11G

Mass: 95 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3063
Cost: 9,663,225 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,619

Chassis: Skuel Heavy TRQ Standard
Power Plant: Pitban 285 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: HildCo LFT 9-X
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Starshield Special Heavy Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Heavy PPCs
    6  ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Robinson Standard BattleWorks
    Primary Factory: Robinson
Communications System: Sony MSF-31
Targeting and Tracking System: Federated Stalker

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                     145 points                9.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                285                      16.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL                                   6.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 288                 18.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     30           44       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  15       
                                           L/R Torso     20           30       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                             L/R Arm     16           31       
                                             L/R Leg     20           39       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 ER Medium Lasers                           RT        15        3         3.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         7         7.00
3 ER Medium Lasers                           LT        15        3         3.00
Heavy PPC                                    RA        15        4        10.00
Heavy PPC                                    LA        15        4        10.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 12

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     10    Points: 26
3j         4       4       2       0      4     3   Structure:  8
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
--Arkansas Warrior, on the possibility of carrying Dropships as cargo in Warship cargo bays.

TERRAN SUPREMACY DEFENSE FORCE.  For when you want to send the SLDF, but couldn't afford the whole kit and kaboodle.

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #11 on: 22 September 2019, 12:58:57 »
And here is an IJJ variant.  Again, a pretty pure translation of the Warlord loadout onto the Sag's chassis, this time including the XL engine.
Still a bit uneasy with the lack of a long-range stinger, but that 150 metre jump capacity gives it tactical options 95 tonners don't usually have.

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Sagittaire SGT-11H

Mass: 95 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3063
Cost: 22,079,850 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,478

Chassis: Skuel Heavy TRQ Standard
Power Plant: Pitban 285 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: HildCo LFT 9-X
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Starshield Special Heavy Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Heavy PPCs
    6  ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Robinson Standard BattleWorks
    Primary Factory: Robinson
Communications System: Sony MSF-31
Targeting and Tracking System: Federated Stalker

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     145 points                9.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             285                       8.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 5 Improved
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                      20.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             17(34)                    7.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 288                 18.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     30           44       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  15       
                                           L/R Torso     20           30       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                             L/R Arm     16           31       
                                             L/R Leg     20           39       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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3 ER Medium Lasers                           RT        15        3         3.00
3 ER Medium Lasers                           LT        15        3         3.00
Heavy PPC                                    RA        15        4        10.00
Heavy PPC                                    LA        15        4        10.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     10    Points: 25
3/5j       4       4       2       0      4     2   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
--Arkansas Warrior, on the possibility of carrying Dropships as cargo in Warship cargo bays.

TERRAN SUPREMACY DEFENSE FORCE.  For when you want to send the SLDF, but couldn't afford the whole kit and kaboodle.

packhntr

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Re: Warlord-like Sagittaire variant
« Reply #12 on: 23 September 2019, 12:03:53 »
Just had a mean and nasty idea...not sure if it will work...not at home with HMP in front of me.  BUT.  2x HPPC w/Cap, Radical heat sink, some ermeds.  Paired 20 point smacks at decent range with a bevy of ermediums to support close range. 
If at first you don't succeed, make it worth the repairman's time!