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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #510 on: 06 December 2019, 02:33:13 »
That's a whole mess of working weasels...
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #511 on: 06 December 2019, 03:56:33 »
I think the whole idea is to clear all the equipment at the rear of the vessel

If there's a chopper in the air I'm guessing it's going to land on a Rig or head back to shore in bad weather for a more solid landing surface as these have no storage for them or room for errors

Since they don't have an organic helo, the pads tend to only be for VERTREP and pax transfer, they have it right at the front for a few reasons, to allow the ship to continue to operate while conducting flight ops, it's a point with high stability, and it's higher out of the water. The last two points are really important when the ship operates in rough oceans, to improve SHOLs.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #512 on: 06 December 2019, 03:57:24 »
Hey, question.

I'm watching World War 2 In Color on Netflix right now and they mentioned the Soviet Navy in the episode about the Battle of Stalingrad.  Did the Soviets have any ocean-going warships in World War 2 or were they limited to primarily rivers and the Black and Caspian Seas?
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #513 on: 06 December 2019, 04:03:35 »
Hey, question.

I'm watching World War 2 In Color on Netflix right now and they mentioned the Soviet Navy in the episode about the Battle of Stalingrad.  Did the Soviets have any ocean-going warships in World War 2 or were they limited to primarily rivers and the Black and Caspian Seas?

They certainly did! Some Soviet ships provided escort for Allied shipping across the Atlantic, others fought the IJN. Most of the sailors were reassigned into the army when the Germans invaded, but several ships remained at sea.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #514 on: 06 December 2019, 04:19:03 »
Aye others were trapped in the Baltic when Barbarossa came a calling and acted as mobile and immobile batteries defending places like Leningrad. There was lots of action in the Black Sea where Soviet Cruisers and other ships bombarded axis forces and suffered quite heavy losses due to air attacks.
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #515 on: 06 December 2019, 05:15:38 »
The Northern Fleet operated an oceangoing taskgroup, mostly consisting of a destroyer squadron with 7 Gnevny class DD (and Baku, a Leningrad class DL) transferred from other fleets in 1941/42, as well as three Uragan class sloops. These uh, let's say, technically integrated into convoy escort, although that was largely limited to the White Sea.
In mid-1944 the Northern Fleet received about a dozen ships on loan, including the battleship HMS Royal Sovereign, the light cruiser USS Milwaukee and a couple destroyers.

The Black Sea Fleet at the time had a single battleship and half a dozen mostly older cruisers as a main strike force which was used in coastal bombardment in the early stages. In 1943, following the loss of three destroyers, Stalin forbade operations of large ships without his express permission, which meant that that taskforce stayed in port for the most part. They still captured most of the Romanian fleet in 1944, integrating their destroyers subsequently.

The Pacific Fleet sorta operated roughly a destroyer squadron (similar to the Northern Fleet), reinforced in '45 by two cruisers built locally. They were mostly stripped of manpower though and not really active much.

Most ships were part of the Baltic Fleet confined to the inner Gulf of Finland. For most of the war only submarines slipped through the blockade into open waters to harass German shipping a bit.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #516 on: 06 December 2019, 05:20:42 »
Re finding of the WW1 era Scharnhorst, it makes for sad reading about her career - so many lives lost on both sides with no survivors from Scharnhorst and less than a quarter of the crew of Gneisenau


It is also remarkable that the Battle of Coronel represented the first battle lost by the Royal Navy since 1814, just over a century of nothing but peace and victory!
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #517 on: 06 December 2019, 06:15:49 »
That's a whole mess of working weasels...

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #518 on: 06 December 2019, 08:43:55 »
One of the largest sailing super yachts in the world, the Kieler Förde.

It's 140m long, 90m wide.  When she was built in Germany for a Russian billionaire, she reportively cost 365 million Euros at the time in 2016.  The ship's sails are automated, digitally controlled from the bridge.
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #519 on: 06 December 2019, 09:18:26 »
Likely a technical marvel, but unpleasing to my eyes.
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #520 on: 06 December 2019, 09:53:36 »
One of the largest sailing super yachts in the world, the Kieler Förde.
Her name is actually "A" (sometimes "SY A" or "Sailing Yacht A"), during the building phase also nicknamed "White Pearl" or "Project 787". The owner also owns "Motor Yacht A" by the same designer.

Kieler Förde is where the picture was taken (the Kiel fjord), shortly after she was handed over.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #521 on: 06 December 2019, 10:14:48 »

It is also remarkable that the Battle of Coronel represented the first battle lost by the Royal Navy since 1814, just over a century of nothing but peace and victory!
This battle, together with the McCluskey targeting screwup at Midway (thankfully with victorious result), should be used as examples to emphasise over and over again the importance of clear and precise communications.

The Admiralty expected the RN squadron to find and shadow the Scharnhorst squadron; the RN admiral thought the Admiralty expected him to attack, despite the suicidal odds; and did exactly that on receiving orders to "carry out his task".

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #522 on: 06 December 2019, 10:43:10 »
Communication has been one of the primary difficulties throughout the whole of naval warfare, changing only recently. The Twentieth Century marked the earliest time when captains could ever rely on clear instructions from their admirals, and only after WWII could local admirals expect the same from high command. Literally everything before that involved local commanders muddling through as best they can off of old and/or vague communiques.
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #523 on: 06 December 2019, 10:47:28 »
Just posting picture of the Freighter Rena, noting why you got make sure you balance your cargo on your ship.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #524 on: 06 December 2019, 11:24:23 »
Should have held off on that picture until Feb . . . lmao, post that in General Discussion and say that white water area is where the containers carrying the IS Command and IS Battle Lance boxes went overboard.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #525 on: 06 December 2019, 12:13:44 »
In a similar vein - a Chinese cargo ship carrying nearly 900 tons of 11 November online sales orders sank recently, to much consternation... somewhat tragically overshadowing the deaths of 2 crew

11/11 is "Single's Day", kind of like a joke anti-Valentine's Day which became something like a Chinese online sales "Black Friday" after Alibaba picked it up and aggressively marketed it

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #526 on: 06 December 2019, 13:33:31 »
Just posting picture of the Freighter Rena, noting why you got make sure you balance your cargo on your ship.



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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #527 on: 06 December 2019, 17:40:16 »
*snip*
The Admiralty expected the RN squadron to find and shadow the Scharnhorst squadron; the RN admiral thought the Admiralty expected him to attack, despite the suicidal odds; and did exactly that on receiving orders to "carry out his task".
I'm sure the memory of Byng was still strong...

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #528 on: 06 December 2019, 17:43:26 »
I'm impressed by the way that the container clamps are still holding on that overhanging stack of yellow boxes!
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #529 on: 06 December 2019, 22:43:37 »
I'm impressed by the way that the container clamps are still holding on that overhanging stack of yellow boxes!
They didn't hold on for long. From October 2011, over three months or so after she grounded on a reef, she leaked oil got battered by harsh weather and split apart and finally sank off the coast of New Zealand.  Several months of oil spills didn't help things either, it became New Zealand worst ever maritime environmental disasters.


The ship remains were dismantled, including it's bow.  Only 77 percent of the ship was salvaged, however she had 8 containers with toxic chemicals that contaminated the reef.
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #530 on: 06 December 2019, 23:29:39 »
Ok, here's a picture of me in Mayport a few weeks ago, with USS Billings (LCS-15) in the background.

Nice ship, but those skimmer bubbas have got the two crew thing weird.
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #531 on: 07 December 2019, 02:34:16 »


Artist concept of the USS Illinois (uncompleted Iowa-class) as a guided missile battleship

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« Reply #532 on: 07 December 2019, 02:41:31 »


it's...beautiful.
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« Reply #533 on: 07 December 2019, 03:10:07 »
Damned straight. 8)
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #534 on: 07 December 2019, 06:57:18 »
The largest turret farm ever made



HMS Agincourt, instead of the usual AB Q XY arrangement for naming the turrets they went with days of the week. With 14 x 12-inch guns and 20 x 6-inch guns she had the most main and secondary guns of any ship afloat at the time of her launch and was still capable of 22 knots.

But this came at a major cost, she was little better protected than the battlecruiser HMS Tiger with a 9-inch thick belt and there were concerns about her hull integrity due to the sheer number of barbettes that peirced it. At Jutland though she proved detractors wrong and fired repeated full broadsides without injuring herself. Although the gouts of flame and smoke from a full 14 gun broadside did apparently look like she blew up every time she fired.
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« Reply #535 on: 07 December 2019, 07:53:34 »
With 14 x 12-inch guns and 20 x 6-inch guns she had the most main and secondary guns of any ship afloat at the time of her launch and was still capable of 22 knots.
The French Courbet class battleships launched two years earlier carried 22 x 5.5-inch guns as secondary battery and 12 x 12-inch for main battery.

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« Reply #536 on: 07 December 2019, 09:07:36 »
The French Courbet class battleships launched two years earlier carried 22 x 5.5-inch guns as secondary battery and 12 x 12-inch for main battery.

I think with 7 turrets, the HMS Agincourt still holds the record for most main battery turrets in any warship ever launched.

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #537 on: 07 December 2019, 09:52:20 »
Ok, here's a picture of me in Mayport a few weeks ago, with USS Billings (LCS-15) in the background.

Nice ship, but those skimmer bubbas have got the two crew thing weird.


Without wanting to breach any confidentiality rules, what are these ships like? I seem to recall a concern was the lack of crew and strength for damage control. Also, what are they like at sea?
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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #538 on: 07 December 2019, 11:09:36 »
I think with 7 turrets, the HMS Agincourt still holds the record for most main battery turrets in any warship ever launched.
Some predreadnought battleships stretched the "battery" term a bit for the secondaries. Danton for example had eight turrets - two twin 12-inch (fwd/aft) and six twin 9.4-inch guns as supersized secondary battery (three each along broadsides). Tertiary were sixteen 75mm guns mounted in the hull.



The Courbet class were their direct successors moving on to dreadnoughts, basically unifying the main battery into six twin 12-inch by combining the forward and aft broadside turrets from either side into a single turret superfiring with the main ones. It then upscaled Danton's tertiary to have a proper secondary battery (22x 5.5-inch), also switching to casemates for these.

After Courbet they only worked on the main battery, keeping that mid-sized secondary battery as is:
  • Bretagne : uprate main battery to 13.4-inch guns, combine midships turrets into single centerline turret (10x 13.4-inch)
  • Normandie (launched but scrapped) : remove superfiring turrets fwd and aft, switch turrets to quad guns (12x 13.4-inch)
  • Lyon (planned) : redesign superstructure inbetween, go back to superfiring turrts (16x 13.4-inch)
One proposal considered for Lyon would have instead gone back directly to Bretagne's design - but replacing her twin 13.4-inch with quad 12-inch turrets (20x 12-inch).

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Re: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!
« Reply #539 on: 07 December 2019, 15:14:41 »
let me kick off with a lovely sight (to me at least) - the Royal Navy now has an actual carrier fleet!


HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales side by side, in real life, in Portsmouth - posted by the Royal Navy yesterday

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