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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #180 on: 13 November 2019, 22:12:24 »
I'm still trying to figure out how you get it through the dive-thru.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #181 on: 13 November 2019, 23:15:45 »
The wings get folded back when you want to use it as a car.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #182 on: 13 November 2019, 23:28:57 »
I'm still trying to figure out how you get it through the dive-thru.
I watched a documentary on that, titled The Fifth Element

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #183 on: 14 November 2019, 02:23:48 »
AFAIK it was all of the above. The early SAAB cars had the same problems, actually. I think it came down to being designed by airplane engineers trying for minimal drag - going for the profile they knew best, a wing... ::)

But I think we might be going just a little OT here. Have a flying car! :)



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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #184 on: 14 November 2019, 02:30:30 »
It looks like perfect plane for Mr. Bean.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #185 on: 20 November 2019, 02:02:10 »
"Actually, ejecting from an aircraft is really dangerous"

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #186 on: 20 November 2019, 02:25:18 »
"Actually, ejecting from an aircraft is really dangerous"

"Hold my beer"

(Jump straight to 1:15 for action)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITDFlZR_CXQ
The little dead guy after hitting the water at 1:05 cracked me up, but...damn I'm glad we have 0-0 seats now.  Considering you've just gone through one significant emotional and kinetic event hitting the water, punching out into it and not freaking the hell out and drowning is probably worth a medal on its own.

Granted, the only real times I can see this coming into play is landing or takeoff fails, where you don't have power to get back into the air for whatever reason; anything faster than that and you're probably dead from hitting the water in the first place.  It does happen, of course, there's a few videos of things like that on youtube as well.  Still a hell of a thing to have to do after Poseidon just got his hands on you.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #187 on: 20 November 2019, 02:39:24 »
Thing that gets me about that case, the pilot had just taken off from a carrier when he lost power. He knew the carrier was steaming up at him. So he waited, as the aircraft sank, until the carrier had passed overhead before ejecting underwater.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #188 on: 20 November 2019, 02:46:19 »
There was also a case of A-6 which lost power at the take off and the crew ejected, wind carrying them right on the take off pad. There was lot of jokes about crashing into sea and not even getting feet wet.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #189 on: 20 November 2019, 03:00:55 »
Thing that gets me about that case, the pilot had just taken off from a carrier when he lost power. He knew the carrier was steaming up at him. So he waited, as the aircraft sank, until the carrier had passed overhead before ejecting underwater.

Balls of pure adamantium.
If I had the cojones to do that, I'd have a camera in the cockpit just to snapshot the props as they go by overhead.  THEN punch out.

Also is it just me or did anyone else hear "The airplane knows where it is at all times" in their head as they're showing the various ejection positions?

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #190 on: 20 November 2019, 11:11:19 »
I know there are a few cases where a malfunction happened from a cat shot and pilots used the WIGE to stay aloft until the jet could generate normal lift.  First time I ever heard about the air compression under the wing keeping a plane aloft, but I understand that could be never wracking because if you fouled up you would be like a Yugo stuck on the tracks as the freight train was barreling down the tracks.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #191 on: 20 November 2019, 14:32:35 »
There was also a case of A-6 which lost power at the take off and the crew ejected, wind carrying them right on the take off pad. There was lot of jokes about crashing into sea and not even getting feet wet.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #192 on: 20 November 2019, 15:49:33 »
Just gather up your 'chute and walk off the flight deck like a boss.


If it weren't for the noise and respect I would have for safety on the flight deck (I believe the most dangerous work environment on the planet) I'd be tempted to walk up to someone and ask for another plane to have another go
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #193 on: 20 November 2019, 16:25:51 »
Walk off like a boss, and then start dealing with the paperwork on the incident report ...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #194 on: 20 November 2019, 18:07:07 »
When a carrier is conducting flight ops, it's steaming into the wind at high speed. I suspect the first order of business for the ejectees is to not get dragged into something hazardous/clear off the ship by 50 kts of wind...  ???

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #195 on: 20 November 2019, 21:42:15 »
And that's one of the reasons why we have angled flight decks...  ^-^

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #196 on: 21 November 2019, 00:16:32 »
I really like the Gripen fighter just such a cool fighter. Would of been neat to see the Carrier Version of that plane!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #197 on: 21 November 2019, 03:32:49 »
File under 'Things you don't see every day'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8HMPMYL19E

Dragon Lady doing carrier ops.  I mean, it's not the usual issue; the thing's got a stall speed that would make a DHC-6 blush but it's just a little...delicate.  Still managed arrested landings aboard Ranger as well as what could be assisted or unassisted takeoffs; can't really tell from the film.  No audio, and I'm REALLY wondering what that 'ejection through locked canopy' moment was about.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #198 on: 21 November 2019, 05:44:41 »
Pretty amazing, but I wouldn't try that in any kind of weather...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #199 on: 21 November 2019, 09:15:20 »
I really like the Gripen fighter just such a cool fighter. Would of been neat to see the Carrier Version of that plane!

They tried: https://saab.com/air/gripen-fighter-system/gripen/gripen-maritime/
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #200 on: 21 November 2019, 09:26:02 »
They tried: https://saab.com/air/gripen-fighter-system/gripen/gripen-maritime/
IIRC India still has it "on a list" of possible fighters for their CVs, given that all their current planes have some kind of problem. Brazil, of course, doesn't have a carrier for them any longer... ::)

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #201 on: 21 November 2019, 11:45:36 »
yeah, the market is pretty small. France, America, russia, and china all prefer to design their own. and most of the others have decided to either transition to using their carriers as rotary wing platforms primarily, or prefer to buy established designs from one of the big-4 mentioned above.
since most nations don't really need carriers either i suspect this won't change anytime soon.

honestly i think that if SAAB built a full VTOL jet their odds would be better.. the F-35 isn't, so a lot of the countries with older carriers that ran Harriers just went pure rotary wing, since the harrier was the last true full VTOL jet platform, and refits to run STOVL or pure STOL would be either extremely expensive or outright impossible due to the age of the ships. (the F-35 price point and the many continuing teething issues it has had don't help either)

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #202 on: 21 November 2019, 12:40:07 »
Yellow should be the color scheme for the F-35 . . .
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #203 on: 21 November 2019, 16:14:41 »
Yellow should be the color scheme for the F-35 . . .
Are you thinking like a taxicab yellow or perhaps more of a color more in the citrus family?  >:D
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #204 on: 21 November 2019, 16:49:06 »
Citrus . . . definitely citrus.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #205 on: 21 November 2019, 19:06:33 »
I seem to recall that particular topic being on the mods "don't" list...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #206 on: 21 November 2019, 21:10:18 »
Same.

So instead, here's an F6F-5N, which was a Hellcat variant that had been equipped with radar and 20mm cannons for night combat.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #207 on: 21 November 2019, 21:11:31 »
Nice!  How many did they make?

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #208 on: 21 November 2019, 22:02:34 »
I'm not sure.  I believe it was a post-WW2 variant.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #209 on: 21 November 2019, 22:04:36 »
Ah, not that many then... Jets came in pretty quickly...

 

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