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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #390 on: 12 February 2020, 15:08:13 »
I've seen Canadian Hornets with the fake cockpit painted under the fuselage, and recently seen one on a Spanish Hornet as well.  Are there any examples of other nations doing this, or on aircraft other than Hornets?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #391 on: 12 February 2020, 16:18:52 »
I've seen Canadian Hornets with the fake cockpit painted under the fuselage, and recently seen one on a Spanish Hornet as well.  Are there any examples of other nations doing this, or on aircraft other than Hornets?
I've never seen it myself but a then active-duty Master Chief told me that some USN squadrons do that too.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #392 on: 12 February 2020, 17:37:21 »
I've seen pictures of A-10s and F-14s with the fake cockpit painted on the bottom of the fuselage.  I think the A-10 has it currently, and the F-14 was for a test.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #393 on: 12 February 2020, 18:37:42 »
What's the point of the fake cockpit?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #394 on: 12 February 2020, 18:39:34 »
What's the point of the fake cockpit?


Could cause confusion in within-visual-range combat and if flying low level over unfriendlies?

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #395 on: 12 February 2020, 18:46:10 »
Yup.  Given a quick glimpse when passing, it's possible to mistake the orientation and therefore which direction it's likely to turn.

Working really hard to figure out how to paint one of the tail less, delta-winged sixth-gen fighters so it looks like it's flying backwards.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #396 on: 12 February 2020, 18:49:38 »
Delta wings would make that pretty hard, I'd think...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #397 on: 12 February 2020, 22:06:55 »

I was playing around with the idea of layered, offset semitransparent stripes in a dazzle camouflage.  Kinda hurts to look at.

The jet's a whif of a one-engine F-15 doodle, I got bored once.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #398 on: 13 February 2020, 14:24:35 »
Yup.  Given a quick glimpse when passing, it's possible to mistake the orientation and therefore which direction it's likely to turn.

Working really hard to figure out how to paint one of the tail less, delta-winged sixth-gen fighters so it looks like it's flying backwards.
Trailing edge of the wings a neutral a sky color as you can.  The leading edge of the wings/mid body of the airplane should be painted to stand out a bit.
 A dark band around the nose that kinda mimics the engine, the a cockpit  just forward of the engine.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #399 on: 14 February 2020, 11:49:37 »

I was playing around with the idea of layered, offset semitransparent stripes in a dazzle camouflage.  Kinda hurts to look at.

The jet's a whif of a one-engine F-15 doodle, I got bored once.

looks like a F15.5 or (F15+F16)/2 ?

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #400 on: 14 February 2020, 12:41:46 »
looks like a F15.5 or (F15+F16)/2 ?


It looks like a F15, F16 and a F18 all in one plane.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #401 on: 14 February 2020, 12:55:48 »

It looks like a F15, F16 and a F18 all in one plane.

It looks like it might have either a fuel range problem, or be limited to subsonic flight to me.  The airflow from those scoops doesn't look like it's going to breathe very well at high altitude or high speed.  I could be drastically wrong here, but that's my first sense from the over-top view.  the second is that while it's got plenty of wing surface, the configuration's not balanced.

and y ou lose the lifting body effect with the fuselage, since it's going narrow/round very quickly.  That's just my impressions, and they could be very wrong.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #402 on: 14 February 2020, 16:20:55 »
Looking closer I think those are F-18 wings, I forget.  It was all just a silly idea to see what a single-engine F-15 would look like, and I went with smaller wings to match.  Hardly a serious attempt, but it does show off that weird "vibrating dazzle camo" idea.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #403 on: 14 February 2020, 17:51:55 »
Might be worth considering the 'area rule'.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #404 on: 18 February 2020, 02:41:22 »
Huh.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #405 on: 18 February 2020, 03:05:34 »
The above is abut ugly aircraft
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #406 on: 18 February 2020, 03:55:51 »
It looks malformed.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #407 on: 18 February 2020, 05:21:20 »
I never imagined a P-51 could be ugly at all, much less THAT ugly!  :P

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #408 on: 18 February 2020, 06:06:31 »
That was criminal.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #409 on: 18 February 2020, 06:20:49 »
apparently that was a testbed for a turboprop engine on a Cavalier Mustang chassis, which was then used to design the Piper PA-48 Enforcer which is a much more natural looking P-51 derivative..

Cavalier: (basically a demilitarized P-51 rebuilt as a ground attack plane)


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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #410 on: 21 February 2020, 06:39:24 »
An (the one so far) RAF Posideon P8 flying near Lossiemouth, Scotland

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #411 on: 21 February 2020, 06:46:00 »
It strikes me that the RAF would do well to adapt the part of their Voyager tanker fleet that doesn't have a hose-and-drogue from the stern midline position to have a boom to refuel these and other aircraft in the RAF inventory that don't have capacity to refuel from hose-and-drogue


For the RAF, these are generally American bought aircraft like the RIVET JOINT and probably the AWACS replacement - given these are often deployed from home a long distance and are in small numbers only it would allow the RAF to extend mission duration for these types


Alternatively, if/when the USAF retires the B-52, I think currently scheduled to be sometime in the Captain Kirk era of the future, perhaps everyone could shift across to the hose-and-drogue style?
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« Reply #412 on: 21 February 2020, 10:02:12 »
I doubt that the USAF ever would.. not only because it isn't just the B-52 driving it (every USAF plane equipped for inflight refueling uses the boom system) but also because the boom system transfers fuel faster, which given the size of USAF combat ops is a notable need, as well as for things like the B-1 and upcoming B-21 where a hose and drogue system would add extra risk due to the time needed to refuel them.

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« Reply #413 on: 21 February 2020, 11:30:13 »
I doubt that the USAF ever would..

See, I thought you were talking about retiring the B-52 initially . . .

I agree with glitter- as I understand the hose & drogue nature of the USN's ops is b/c it fits carrier ops and at least initially was a ordnance set up on bombers (buddy stores) though that is inferred from reading rather than strict research.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #414 on: 21 February 2020, 12:08:25 »
Hose-and-drogue predates probe, it's the older technology, as a result, it's more widely distributed worldwide, especially among forces that haven't got to cover quite as much area quite as quickly as the USAF does.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #415 on: 03 March 2020, 16:51:51 »
Boeing Defense has officially unveiled its offering for the US Army's Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) program.







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« Reply #416 on: 03 March 2020, 17:05:42 »
Boeing Defense has officially unveiled its offering for the US Army's Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) program.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #417 on: 03 March 2020, 17:07:38 »
The other contenders that were previously unveiled repeated here for convenience.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #418 on: 03 March 2020, 18:14:31 »
That last one looks like a fish.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #419 on: 03 March 2020, 18:20:27 »
I was thinking it looked like a flying whale. A beluga, perhaps.
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