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Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« on: 04 January 2020, 02:39:22 »
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Quick MechHunter QMH-02

Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-F-D-A
Production Year: 3045
Cost: 2,918,438 C-Bills
Battle Value: 980

Power Plant: Pitban 280 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor: Prototech-6 Standard Armor
Armament:
    2 Donal PPCs
    1 Gatling Gun 20mm Machine Gun
    1 Unknown CASE
Manufacturer: Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Richvale
Communications System: Irian E.A.R.
Targeting and Tracking System: Wasat Aggressor

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                7.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                280                      24.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             20                       10.00
Control Equipment:                                                         4.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     45       
                                          Left/Right   40/40       
                                              Turret     45       
                                                Rear     30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 PPCs                                       T         20        2        14.00
Machine Gun                                  T         0         1         0.50
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 10
4w         2       2       2       0      3     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: CASE, TUR(2/2/2)

Quickscell, always wanting to make a 'quick' buck, decided to go into the PPC vehicle business to directly compete with the beloved Schrek. The Quick MechHunter is however a wheeled vehicle rather than tracked and it moves much faster at 64kph. The vehicle only carries two PPCs, Donal models. This is also to let the vehicle serve as spare parts carrier for Warhammers, Thugs and other mechs which carries the Donal PPC.

Twelve and a Half tons of armor protect the vehicle from damage and makes the tank fairly well protected.

Coming in a hair under 3 million C-Bills Quickcell hopes that the vehicle will sell well.

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #1 on: 04 January 2020, 02:52:29 »
Ok  I buy it, it's better than the Schreck.
Sure 33% less fire but  chances are high that it survives 33% longer.

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #2 on: 04 January 2020, 08:31:11 »
Quickscell puts CASE in things?  ???

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #3 on: 04 January 2020, 13:58:05 »
Quickscell puts CASE in things?  ???

I thought you were just being funny until I looked at the wiki...Quickscell really doesn't bother with CASE at all on anything they build...  :o

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #4 on: 04 January 2020, 14:17:41 »
You really have to embrace their corporate philosophy of "cheapest no matter what!"...  ^-^

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #5 on: 04 January 2020, 18:15:04 »
Nobody has complained yet it's a problem!

Quickscell puts CASE in things?  ???

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #6 on: 04 January 2020, 19:12:21 »
Long ago, I used to play an ICE version of the Schrek. If you replace the Fusion Engine for a ICE of same rating and eliminate one PPC, you have a poor man Schrek. The number of heat sinks is the same, by coincidence.

Maybe it requires minor adjustments in the armor but I am not sure.

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #7 on: 06 January 2020, 13:34:48 »
You're overthinking it, man. They already make carriers and have a bunch of AC/5's laying around:

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Carrier "Poor-Man's Schrek"

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-C-D-A
Production Year: 2407
Cost: 1,328,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 496

Power Plant: InterComBust 180 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Simple Armor Plate Standard Armor
Armament:
    4  Autocannon/5s
Manufacturer: Aldis industries, Joint Equipment Systems, Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Terra (Aldis), Alshain (JES), various (Quickscell)
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      24 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                180                      14.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  48                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     12       
                                          Left/Right   12/12       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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4 Autocannon/5s                              FR        4         4        32.00
@AC/5 (40)                                   BD        -         0         2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 5
3t         2       2       2       0      3     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, AC 2/2/2

I can field two of these for the same cost. All it takes is a campy boy and a good shot!  :D

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #8 on: 06 January 2020, 19:00:55 »
Poor man's Schreck, or poor man's Partisan?  ???

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #9 on: 06 January 2020, 19:42:29 »
Poor man's Schreck, or poor man's Partisan?  ???

Two for one deal!

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #10 on: 06 January 2020, 19:43:31 »
Touché!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #11 on: 06 January 2020, 23:14:39 »
There is a canon variant of the Schrek with 3 AC5 but keeping the Fusion Engine. Hard to understand the logic behind ...

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #12 on: 07 January 2020, 05:28:32 »
That sounds like yet another encouragement to go use the design rules...  ::)

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #13 on: 07 January 2020, 09:56:38 »
There is a canon variant of the Schrek with 3 AC5 but keeping the Fusion Engine. Hard to understand the logic behind ...

No logic required when you slap some weapons on a Carrier! Join the dark side.

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #14 on: 07 January 2020, 10:28:32 »
What about something like this?

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Quickcell Schrek
Mass: 80 tons
Internal structure: 8 tons
Engine: 240 ICE - 23 tons
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Control Equipment: 4 tons
Turret: 3 tons
Armor: 112 - 7 tons
Front: 30
R/L Side: 20
Rear: 12
Turret: 30

Weapons and Equipment-Location-Tonnage
3 AC/5 - Turret - 24 tons
Ammo(AC)60 - Body - 3 tons
3 LRM-5 - Turret - 6 tons
Ammo(LRM)48 - Body - 2 tons

The way I have this vehicle pictured is much like the regular Schrek except that the LRM launchers are each wrapped around one of the barrels of an AC/5. This provides an overly complicated feed system that can jam at inopportune moments.

The combined firepower nearly equals (or does equal on a lucky attack) the firepower of the regular Schrek, but for a cheaper package (not sure how much cheaper though).

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #15 on: 07 January 2020, 10:43:48 »
Long ago, I used to play an ICE version of the Schrek. If you replace the Fusion Engine for a ICE of same rating and eliminate one PPC, you have a poor man Schrek. The number of heat sinks is the same, by coincidence.

Maybe it requires minor adjustments in the armor but I am not sure.
Like this? IMHO makes most sense as a QS competitor.

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Schrek QS

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-C-C-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 1 795 500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 802

Power Plant:  240 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32,4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  PPCs
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                8,00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                240                      23,00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             20                       20,00
Control Equipment:                                                         4,00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          1,50
Turret:                                                                    1,50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 128                  8,00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     33       
                                          Left/Right   25/25       
                                              Turret     25       
                                                Rear     20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 PPCs                                       T         20        2        14,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 8
3t         2       2       2       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: ENE, EE, TUR(2/2/2)

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #16 on: 07 January 2020, 12:13:06 »
Sarna has the AC version as stripping out the PPCs, switching to an ICE engine and using the remaining tonnage for armor, 3 AC/5s and 8 machine guns. 

There is a canon variant of the Schrek with 3 AC5 but keeping the Fusion Engine. Hard to understand the logic behind ...

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #17 on: 07 January 2020, 16:28:16 »
Take the Quikcell carrier chassis and add a turret mounting three light ppcs with capacitors.  A 180 fusion engine with 20 extra heat sinks and seven tons of armor means you can match th Schrek in speed, armor, and sometimes firepower.

All with a cost of- *checks calculator* 2,924,000 to the Schrek's 3,829,500 price tag.
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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #18 on: 07 January 2020, 16:37:01 »
I'm pretty sure you can do that at 50 tons (or even 45, to cut another crewman)...

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #19 on: 08 January 2020, 04:46:26 »
Sarna has the AC version as stripping out the PPCs, switching to an ICE engine and using the remaining tonnage for armor, 3 AC/5s and 8 machine guns.
Bad tank and the guy responsible for the TRO should feel bad, too. Why not just 3 machine guns in the turret.... we are talking about 12.5mm Gattlings to 35mm autocannons- two would be enough ... not to mention that 3 main guns will always drive me nuts.

The following was accomplished only by eating several dozens pieces of chocolate - and its still a poor build:


The problem is that the Shreck is not supposed to have machine guns and autocannons, the Demolisher with its "possible" non-explosive ammunition bins is an AC carrier.

However: a Schreck is a Mech Hunter... it should not deal with light armored combat vehicles or infantry, it should schreck Mechs. And as such it should combine fire power with adequate range.
So two 10 point damage weapons, say a AC10 and a PPC (also removes the issue of minimal range) for cost of some range.
This allows the usage of an ICE and to make things even better - reduces the weight to 75t

1,659,188 CBills - the Zhukov is more expensive.... unfortunatly the Zhukov is already a poor mans Schreck  ;D
« Last Edit: 08 January 2020, 04:52:18 by Hptm. Streiger »

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #20 on: 08 January 2020, 09:24:50 »
What about this?

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Poor Man’s Schrek
Mass: 80 tons
Internal structure: 8 tons
Engine: 240 ICE - 23 tons
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 6 - 6 tons
Control Equipment: 4 tons
Power Amplifier: 0.5 tons
Turret: 3 tons
Armor Value: 104 - 6.5 tons
Front: 30
R/L Side: 18
Rear: 8
Turret: 30
Weapons and Ammo - Location - Tonnage:
2 AC/10 - Turret - 24 tons
Ammo(AC)30 - Body - 3 tons
2 Medium Lasers - Turret - 2 tons

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Or the version I favor:

As above except weapons:

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3 AC/5 - Turret - 24 tons
Ammo(AC)60 - Body - 3 tons
2 Medium Lasers - Turret - 2 tons

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Re: Quickscell's competiton to the Schrek...
« Reply #21 on: 15 January 2020, 02:01:09 »
Hey, lets see Quickscell take on the classic Alacorn!

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Jericho JER-02

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3051
Cost: 2,881,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,514

Power Plant: Pitban 220 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: ProtoTech Light Standard Armor
Armament:
    2 Quickscell Big Bang Gauss Rifles
Manufacturer: Quickscell Company
    Primary Factory: Ares
Communications System: LongCom
Targeting and Tracking System: OptiSight-12

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                8.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                220                      15.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         4.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    3.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     55       
                                          Left/Right   50/50       
                                              Turret     50       
                                                Rear     35       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 Gauss Rifles                               T         2         2        30.00
@Gauss Rifle (40)                            BD        -         0         5.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 15
3w         3       3       3       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: TUR(3/3/3)

So a basic Alacorn tank costs sixteen million C-bills for 3 gauss rifles and five tons of ammo moving 3/5. Quickscell looked at that and said "Hey, We can do better! And cheaper too!"

Hence the Jericho gauss rifle carrier. A wheeled chassis means a smaller fusion engine (No XL engine here!) and that means its cheap! Very Cheap! 2.8 Million C-Bills for this fine vehicle! Fifteen Tons of standard plate protect the machine from harm, quite respectable. Two Gauss Rifles and five tons of ammo mean each gun gets twenty shots to toss down range.

 

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