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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #600 on: 06 April 2020, 16:47:52 »
Tried? What happened?

They just didn't quite fit.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #601 on: 06 April 2020, 16:48:52 »
They just didn't quite fit.
Should've made a scene of an Atlas crushing two flatbed trucks :P
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #602 on: 06 April 2020, 18:40:34 »
“I had some trucks but I smushed them.”

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #603 on: 06 April 2020, 19:14:12 »
I also had an idea for using an Ishtar mini without a turret as a mech-sized Segway.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #604 on: 07 April 2020, 13:52:26 »

But Mechs don't use the same material.  Look at the fluff each one is built using there own brand which leads to all sorts of variation.  I mean look at the original 3025 Atlas fluff it specifically says it is not the tallest mech.   Yet people always want to pretend it should be
Three different brands of endo-steel are...all endo-steel.  Brands names don't really change the nature of the material, whether it's endo, plain old steel, titanium, whatever.  As for the Atlas...




Yes I know they have ignored that line.  They are wrong.
The people who create the universe are wrong?  I mean, I know that line was in the old TRO 3025.  But a lot of stuff from way-back has been retconned.  If new authors want the Atlas to be the tallest 100 tonner*, then it is.  Maybe the AS7-Ds they were building in 3000 were kinda short for a 100 tonner, but these modern AS8-Ds and AS7-S2s and things are built taller.




*Not sure I've ever seen that explicit anywhere, though it does make sense, just from posture, that the Atlas should be taller than a King Crab, Marauder II, Daishi, etc.  Maybe not an Annihilator?


Edit: not sure what happened with my font size there, sorry I didn’t notice sooner.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #605 on: 07 April 2020, 23:08:36 »
“I had some trucks but I smushed them.”

This is what my 2.5yr old says all the time. his citytech plastics keep 'mashing things as he says.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #606 on: 08 April 2020, 05:24:10 »
Battle Lance and character survey update has been posted.
Apparently you have a week to get them turned in for round 1 if you got them.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #607 on: 08 April 2020, 08:21:12 »
Urgh, don't like the Cataphract at all, hard to say exactly what's wrong but it is wrong. Center section could be more rounded.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #608 on: 08 April 2020, 08:44:55 »
Urgh, don't like the Cataphract at all, hard to say exactly what's wrong but it is wrong. Center section could be more rounded.

I dunno, I kinda like it. But then again I'm building my next lance around Cataphract-0X. My judgement may be questionable.  :))

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #609 on: 08 April 2020, 08:50:16 »
Goes too much toward MWO-tank-likeness. The original Cataphract has more rounded look. Now, reducing that a bit is OK, but the sketch does that too much, especially around the center section.

My judgement may be questionable.  :))
Yes... the CTF-0X looks really weird.
If you called that Cataphract II, i wouldn't even blink and i'd be fine with it. But supposedly a variant of the original?
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #610 on: 08 April 2020, 10:03:18 »
That's a question of taste which has led to many arguments on this forum. I personally never got the big dome cockpit considering the mechs origins but to each their own.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #611 on: 08 April 2020, 10:50:40 »
I like the new Cataphract look.  Not so sold on the Bushwhacker- it's got a robustness to it that the real mech lacks.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #612 on: 08 April 2020, 10:59:12 »
... it's got a robustness to it that the real mech lacks.
Pretty much all of the new images are like that.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #613 on: 08 April 2020, 11:03:57 »
The new designs have about 98% fewer gribbly bits that look like they'd snap off every time a MechWarrior misjudges how much clearance they have.

And 100% fewer legs that look like they'd snap at a full stride, let alone getting kicked by something large.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #614 on: 08 April 2020, 11:18:54 »
The cataphract has always been an ugly beast.

How come nobody does the X shaped LRM on the Bushwacker anymore?  There's a certain charm to that odd design.  New design's still good overall of course, and I want that Nightstar NOW.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #615 on: 08 April 2020, 11:36:35 »
Okay, I really like that whole lance- though like someone else said I wish the Bushie had its iconic X LRM launcher, its still not a 'normal' LRM launcher look.  Might look a bit too tall.

Compare my avatar to this-


And it is a meeting of old Cataphract and the MWO design- someone was complaining about not being rounded, but the center area with the cockpit while angled planes is still more 'rounded' than the MWO design.  It also has the same look above the hips.  After a quick look, it also seems to have the same legs as the Maruaders and the RA weapons pod housing is the same as the MAD but upside down.

I will be honest, I really like the MWO Cataphract . . . for me this maybe one I prefer the MWO design, but I agree that a lot of the MWO designs look too much alike, so the degree of differences between new & MWO maybe appropriate.

With that said . . . this Nightstar is awesome and really does point to its Marauder parentage.  Should be able to stand in for the -9FC besides the normal one, the triangle weapon mount gives it a different look.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #616 on: 08 April 2020, 13:31:39 »
I have  a metal bushwacker (I don't paint, I can put together though) ... I really like the look of it -- not to lean at all.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #617 on: 08 April 2020, 14:22:55 »
I like the x shape LRM launcher on the Bushwacker myself though this isn't the biggest deviation

I did notice it's almost the same shape launcher as the MW4 model
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #618 on: 08 April 2020, 15:28:07 »
Though I miss the Bushwhacker's X shaped launcher, this setup looks like it's actually capable of being reloaded.

The Cataphract shows strong PC game influence. I approve.

Nightstar I don't love or hate. The jury is out until I see a 3D render.

And the best of the bunch: the Axman. Finally something that looks like the Hatchetman's bigger, meaner brother instead of a caricature of the Hatchetman.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #619 on: 08 April 2020, 15:49:55 »
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And the best of the bunch: the Axman. Finally something that looks like the Hatchetman's bigger, meaner brother instead of a caricature of the Hatchetman.
isn't he a caricature in and of itself? I mean bringing an ax to a gun fight ;)
does the ax at least have an effect on its close combat strength?

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #620 on: 08 April 2020, 15:57:18 »
The AC is torso mounted, so it can fire in the same turn you use the axe.  Only arm and leg mounted weapons can't be used when doing physicals.

isn't he a caricature in and of itself? I mean bringing an ax to a gun fight ;)
does the ax at least have an effect on its close combat strength?

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #621 on: 08 April 2020, 15:58:03 »
And that axe hits HARD. 8)
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #622 on: 08 April 2020, 16:16:18 »
The problem with the Nightstar is that this is the only cannon artwork I've ever known for it .


Kinda hard to judge what it is supposed to look like from that perspective.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #623 on: 08 April 2020, 16:30:52 »
"if i can't torso twist and knock shit over in adjacent hexes it's not a nightstar"

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #624 on: 08 April 2020, 17:38:23 »
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #625 on: 08 April 2020, 17:39:09 »
Are Nightstars like T-rexes of Battletech? Those short hands.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #626 on: 08 April 2020, 18:43:51 »
I did notice it's almost the same shape launcher as the MW4 model
A bit better even.
If memory serves, the MW4 bushwacker had 6 tubes which always bugged the crap out of me

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #627 on: 08 April 2020, 19:58:16 »
The AC is torso mounted, so it can fire in the same turn you use the axe.  Only arm and leg mounted weapons can't be used when doing physicals.

I almost replied, 'no you can't' ... then realized I was thinking of handheld weapons, not mounted.
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #628 on: 08 April 2020, 20:07:12 »
Probably the strongest part of the new Axman design is that it can now swing its arms without bumping into its hips.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 6
« Reply #629 on: 08 April 2020, 20:08:06 »
I liked the old Bushwacker's X-shaped launcher too, but it's not really a mech I plan to buy or use so never mind me.

I am interested in the Cataphract.  I have a -0X because I thought it was a lot better looking.  I think I still prefer it, even though this new one is a lot less awkward than the original. 

The King Crab is out on Scroggins' Patreon!  It's more similar to the MWO King Crab than to the original, but the arms and legs have rounded shapes, the cockpit windows are right up against the "roof", and that roof plate is uniformly convex rather than just the middle segment (which makes it feel a little like the old one).  I'm happy.