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i'm doing a partial rebuild of the So You Bought the Box Set post to incorporate some of the new stuff and KS items. i've hit a bit of a snag - Era Reports 2750, 3052, and 3062 act as decent anchor recommendations to help set the scene that the new TROs live in... except the late succession wars. obviously an Era Report: 30XX would be ideal but we're never getting one in that form - and since the new intro box is rooted firmly in that time period, i can't just push people past it. especially since TRO: Succession Wars goes all the way back to the 2500s so i have to acknowledge the Star League as well. the lazy easy answer is probably "go read the grey death and warrior trilogies" but not everyone wants to do that.

so. what is the most concise way possible to get people caught up on the universe ca 3025-3030?

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 Battlepack: 4th Succession War is a neat resource.

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Historical Brush Wars might work . . . you have pre-4SW (Anton) and post (Andurien & Ronin) results.  It covers the politics of the time a bit IIRC.
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There is no product that covers the 3025 setting that is still in print.  1st and 2nd Succession War both qualify for "The Succession Wars" but you won't find any agreement even here that 2800 'feels' like Succession Wars, even if it is objectively true.

The product that most reflects what people think the Succession Wars should be is probably Historical: Brush Wars.  The product that most accurately reflects most of the available designs in TRO: Succession Wars is probably Historical: War of 3039.
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Tell folks to suck it up and play early SW, or maybe War of '39 :P
TBH, highlighting that introbox isn't just 3025 but pretty much 2780-3000+ would be great.

If the original house books were around, they'd kinda work for 3025ish. House Arano sorta does this but it does focus on pretty remote area.


On serious note, lack of dead-tree format generalist starter book to go with the box sets is an issue, me thinks. A lot of folks like having a book, even if PDFs are in some ways more practical. I know i do...
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 On occasion you will find BattleTech resources in public libraries, and charity/discount bookstores. I do not know what PDFs CGL is currently selling, but you do not need the cardboard pieces in the Battlepack. You have to hunt for dead tree versions.

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It's Post Clan Invasion, but still a great idea of 'idea fertilizing':

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Really, the entire Historicals series is an excellent way to learn the history of the game.  Especially if 1st and 2nd Succession War are included in that since they're very similar format even if they lack the header.
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the historicals route was the first thing i thought of as well. i'll need to look back through them

Tell folks to suck it up and play early SW, or maybe War of '39 :P
TBH, highlighting that introbox isn't just 3025 but pretty much 2780-3000+ would be great.

If the original house books were around, they'd kinda work for 3025ish. House Arano sorta does this but it does focus on pretty remote area.

the fiction and primer in the box lean first quarter of the 31st century so there needs to be a bit of a bridge to 3039 (which has some more modernish resources to call in). the 29-30th century in general is the Death Valley of canon content. Turning Points: Orbisonia is one of the few products firmly set in that time. I include House Arano in the guide because it both acts as a bridge for people made curious by the video game and also that the scenarios within work with just the GoAC box.

Really, the entire Historicals series is an excellent way to learn the history of the game.  Especially if 1st and 2nd Succession War are included in that since they're very similar format even if they lack the header.

1 and 2SW are all but historicals - they even share the product code sequence with the rest of the series. Sequencing from ER 2750/FM SLDF to Lib Terra I/II and then branching to 1/2SW on one side and Op Klondike and ED Golden Century on the other sets up a pretty decent history leading into the clan invasion

Really, the entire Historicals series is an excellent way to learn the history of the game.  Especially if 1st and 2nd Succession War are included in that since they're very similar format even if they lack the header.

these are definitely on my list for when I made the sequel guide for post-3062






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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #10 on: 02 April 2020, 15:51:46 »
What about Historical Turning Points: Galtor?

Its set to go off right before 4SW.
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #11 on: 02 April 2020, 15:53:48 »
Historical Turning Points: Galtor and Historical Turning Points: Mallory's World always get my vote. 
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #12 on: 02 April 2020, 20:48:38 »
I will gladly put the opening section of the original Mercenary's Handbook up against nearly any other sourcebook if one wants to either impart or understand the 3025 era. Even with its mercenary-faction bias, it gives succinct breakdowns of all the major and some minor factions with a tightly controlled history back to the Star League, examines how forces are built, operations are conducted, and the types of missions and pitfalls a new player might face in-universe. The Kieths (J. Andrew in this case) were the acknowledged masters of the early 3025-era architecture, and I have always felt their standing was solidified with this work.

Further afield, it gives a decent system for unit creation, though that is not why I recommend it. The sample units are quite well-grounded in the 3rd Succession War timeframe, though, which is an added bonus.
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #13 on: 04 April 2020, 12:13:57 »
so. what is the most concise way possible to get people caught up on the universe ca 3025-3030?

As much as I "Prefer" Historical-39,   the answer I have to give here is Brush Wars for sure!

Its a great product that stretches from early 3014? to 3039 covering 3 different events, short of the old 4th SW Atlas's this is what I would choose.

The 4th SW Battlepack mentioned above is also a great source if you want some scenario ideas too.

But for pure fiction & battle reports, I have to say Brush Wars every time.
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #14 on: 04 April 2020, 12:38:53 »
So I’m hearing people like Brush Wars…
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #15 on: 04 April 2020, 13:04:38 »
Brush Wars is fantastic (and really should have companion books for the rest of the 3rd Succession War), but it's not exactly concise.  Honestly, the fluff in the original TRO 3025, 3026, and even 3039 did a good job of it.  For sheer brevity, the 20 Year Update laid things out in about a short a fashion as possible, but I'd take Brush Wars over that any day.

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« Reply #16 on: 04 April 2020, 13:11:05 »
But for pure fiction & battle reports, I have to say Brush Wars every time.

+1 for Brush Wars. Great product. The outlining of the Andurien Secession alone makes it a must-have for me. It's also a sourcebook that contextualizes many of the actions taken later during the War of 3039 and the 4th Succession War.

So I’m hearing people like Brush Wars…

Not a bestseller, huh? That's unfortunate.

Brush Wars is fantastic (and really should have companion books for the rest of the 3rd Succession War), but it's not exactly concise.

Well yeah, it's a Historical - it's meant to go into more detail. My only qualm would be the style used for the Ronin War section, but the information with the it remains good and well presented.

My personal hope is that a similar product covering Operation Guerrero will eventually come out, but the realist in me knows that I'm definitely in the minority for that one and that chances of that happening are beyond slim.
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #17 on: 04 April 2020, 13:16:59 »
My personal hope is that a similar product covering Operation Guerrero will eventually come out, but the realist in me knows that I'm definitely in the minority for that one and that chances of that happening are beyond slim.
Wasn't there Bush Wars II planned at some point, covering Guerrero, St. Ives War, and Ghost Bear-Draconis Combine war?
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #18 on: 04 April 2020, 13:29:32 »
Wasn't there Bush Wars II planned at some point, covering Guerrero, St. Ives War, and Ghost Bear-Draconis Combine war?
Wish that thing existed :(

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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #19 on: 04 April 2020, 13:58:11 »
 
Wasn't there Bush Wars II planned at some point, covering Guerrero, St. Ives War, and Ghost Bear-Draconis Combine war?
Wish that thing existed :(
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« Reply #20 on: 04 April 2020, 19:28:21 »
Wasn't there Bush Wars II planned at some point, covering Guerrero, St. Ives War, and Ghost Bear-Draconis Combine war?
Wish that thing existed :(

Last I remember hearing is the material was still floating out there but was probably getting repackaged.
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #21 on: 05 April 2020, 16:49:37 »


Fourth Successsion War Military Atlas, pdf avalible from CGL, 2 volumes - battleforce product
Brush wars
Historical 3039 - battleforce product
Historical Turning Points: Galtor
Turning Points: Orbisonia
Turning Points:War of 3039 Vega
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BattleTech: Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars
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BattleTech: Combat Manual: Kurita
BattleTech: Mercenary's Handbook, the original '80s one
House books, the '80s ones
BattleTech: Periphery (1st Edition)
BattleTech: Starterbook: Sword and Dragon

Aside from those, some of the really old scenario packs are good, if impossible to find.

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« Reply #22 on: 05 April 2020, 17:00:15 »
"The Fourth Succession War Scenarios" is great, yes.  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #23 on: 05 April 2020, 19:45:31 »
He said Most . . . and I thought about the Atlas but its too much data, its something someone gets if they want to get into more depth about the 4SW.
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« Reply #24 on: 05 April 2020, 20:56:19 »
4th SW Battlepack is allot more plug and play
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #25 on: 05 April 2020, 21:15:01 »
Honestly, you can't go wrong with TRO: 3039. And at least you can get a PDF of it. For me, the books that most established the setting were TROs 3025 and 3026, which had a lot of historical data and flavor packed in them. Even the very last entry in 3025 about the 'mech repair facility put a lot onto that page. Another book that was invaluable to me was the setting information in the back of Mechwarrior 1st Ed, which to my knowledge was the first place that the history of game was first laid out.

So I’m hearing people like Brush Wars…
It was pretty good... just saying.

Personally, I think the historicals have been some of the best books the IP has to its name.

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« Reply #26 on: 05 April 2020, 21:59:41 »
Personally, I think the historicals have been some of the best books the IP has to its name.

I completely agree with this.  They are so far the only product line from modern BattleTech that I have the full catalog.
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« Reply #27 on: 05 April 2020, 22:14:51 »
I completely agree with this.  They are so far the only product line from modern BattleTech that I have the full catalog.

I will second that.  I have them all in print except for Operation Klondike, and I have that one in PDF.  Hands down my favorites of all the sourcebooks.
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Re: Fishing for ideas - Name the most essential Succession Wars book
« Reply #28 on: 05 April 2020, 22:55:50 »
The very first House Kurita book (available as PDF) is probably the best for this. Since it was the first, it tells both the general story and the Combine story. It covers everything: second Soviet civil war, reunification war, succession wars, etc. Plus, it helps ameliorate some of the weaker characterization of the draconian combine.