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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #30 on: 30 June 2020, 05:57:16 »
The MOC is one of the weakests powers overall (the listed ones at least). It is the last producer in both mechs and ASF. We will see tha tit also fails in the Dropship and Jumpship areas. Jumpships are major powers only, so here they put a stranglehold on the periphery, but the OA also has no dropships in production at all. Given their small ASF model selection and concentration of production I fail to see how they are the aerospace power that they are supposed to be.
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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #31 on: 30 June 2020, 06:41:37 »
The MOC is one of the weakests powers overall (the listed ones at least). It is the last producer in both mechs and ASF. We will see tha tit also fails in the Dropship and Jumpship areas. Jumpships are major powers only, so here they put a stranglehold on the periphery, but the OA also has no dropships in production at all. Given their small ASF model selection and concentration of production I fail to see how they are the aerospace power that they are supposed to be.

The thing is, while you may know what each location produces as far as type, we often have no idea about how many they produce. Some production centers are single production lines constructing only a half dozen units by hand each year. Some have multiple automated lines producing over 100 units a year (or even a month).

It could be that the OA produces dozens of those fighters each month, while the others are lucky to one or two out in the same time.

Not likely, but possible.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #32 on: 30 June 2020, 07:18:38 »
Indeed. But these designs are not specially good as ASF go. Well the lightning is a good design, but the seydlitz? That is not enough to escort the lightnings. ith only these 2 they would be hard pressed to achieve air superiority without very high loses.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #33 on: 30 June 2020, 10:42:54 »
You must also remember the paradigm shifts for rules.  The Seydlitz is ok though it was better under previous rules IIRC.
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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #34 on: 01 July 2020, 05:47:23 »
The MOC is one of the weakests powers overall (the listed ones at least). It is the last producer in both mechs and ASF. We will see tha tit also fails in the Dropship and Jumpship areas.
Really? OA produces more mechs as well? MoC produces bugs, SHD's and MAD's. By comparison OA only produces bugs and the Merlin. That last one not even until 3010(?). They end up producing Chargers as well but this isn't confirmed until 3040's at the earliest and probably not until much later.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #35 on: 01 July 2020, 05:54:11 »
The MOC is a more or less.on par with the OA. But everybody knows the OA sucks. I thought that the MOC would be better, but it is not.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #36 on: 01 July 2020, 06:06:01 »
In 3025 the MOC did not produce the Marauder. It wasn't until the Capellans invested and revitalized their industry did they add it to MMM Canopus IV. They did as otherwise mentioned make the bug mechs and the Shadow Hawk in limited numbers. That said I think it's fair to say that they likely still produced more than the OWA mechwise at least, just based on demand alone.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #37 on: 01 July 2020, 20:16:30 »
It should be remembered that the Magistracy's Star League economy was primarily focused on luxury, leisure, & medical supplies. The collapse of the Star League devastated the Magistracy's economy like no other periphery power, & they never truly recovered until joining the Trinity Alliance. Heavy manufacturing, to include military goods, was never a major focus of the Magistracy.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #38 on: 07 July 2020, 17:22:56 »
JUMPSHIPS

Jumpships is an area where the major powers reign. The periphery does not have production facilities for new jumpships.

There are a total of 10 shipyards with a total of 17 production lines. They produce 5 jumpship models (Invader, monolith, merchant, star lord, scout). The lines are in the Draconis Combine (5), Lyran Commonwealth (4) FWL and FedSuns (2), with the Capellans having a single shipyard in Capella. Here is the first time where we see the Dracs leading a production ranking. So it might be that they can relocate their forces better than the others instead of having more of them. Who knows? :)

The main production centres are Chatham (4), Alarion (3) Capella and Delawan (2) and then Panpour, Tamarind, Schuyer, Gibbs, Clipperton and Loyalty have 1 jumpship line each.

The most common models being produced are the Invader and Monolith (4), followed by the merchant, star lord and scout (3). The Invader is produced by all major factions except the Capellans. The Monolith is not produced by the FWL. The Merchant is produced by the CC, LC and DC. The massive Star Lord finds builders in the DC, FWL and FedSuns. And finally, the scout is produced by the Dracs, Lyrans and FWL.

The Draconis Combine centres its production of 5 jumpships in the 4 lines at Chatham: Star Lord, Monolith, Invader and Merchant. They build the Scout at Schuyer. They are the only faction to build all jumpship models.

The Lyran Commonwealth produces 3 models in Alarion (Invader, Scout and Monolith) and the Merchant in Gibbs.

The FWL produce their jumpships in single lines. Clipperton (Scout), Tamarind (Invader) and Loyalty (Star Lord).

The Fedsuns produce the Star Lord and Invader in Delavan, while Panpour makes Monoliths.

The Capellans produce in Capella both the Merchant and Monolith.

No faction produces a jumpship in more than one location. No faction has more than 5 lines. Jumpships *are* rare. Thr Periphery cannot make new jumpships at all.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #39 on: 07 July 2020, 23:00:00 »
The only thing I'd point out is I'm pretty sure the DC was not making the Monolith in 3025 per JS&DS

The Monolith line didn't show up till I believe 3055 with Objective Raids, IIRC.

My own head canon for that reason is the Helm Core allowed them to bring it back on line.
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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #40 on: 08 July 2020, 18:51:38 »
Wasn't it Star's End (in the Periphery) that could "assemble" a JumpShip if provided the parts?  ???

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #41 on: 09 July 2020, 01:44:44 »
True. I guess the original source lists production sites. Or it just missed that one

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #42 on: Today at 00:56:20 »
Exaggeration.  It was not a JS production site.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #43 on: Today at 06:45:33 »
I didn't claim it was...  ???

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #44 on: Today at 08:39:01 »
It wasn't an assembly site either.  Or not much of one.

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #45 on: Today at 08:45:01 »
Do you have a reference that answers the question I asked?

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #46 on: Today at 09:52:14 »
One that I really shouldn't share. (concerning Star's End)

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Re: IS 3025 production
« Reply #47 on: Today at 10:51:25 »
Well, the Sarna article uses very close to the exact language I did...

 

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