The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us

[Baldur Mekorig]

Well, i have been doing some datamaning related to my main Objectives 3150 Proyect. Here is  a very very rough example of what the Scorpon Empire military industry looks like by 3150. Doc Swift can correct me if i made some glearing errors, or if there are some more info in future products.
Note: I assume that most of the Castillian/Ummayad facilities got retooled or shut down after the Clan Goliath Scorpion invasion.

ANTWERP
BORDELLO MILITARY GOODS, INC. (Now Imperial BattleMechs?): Locust ( IIC?), Phoenix Hawk (-1? / -3D/-3S?), Star Phyton (Nexus), Wasp (-1A?), Wolverine (-6R? -7D?) Battlemechs; Star Crusader (Grand Crusader), Warhawk Omnimechs; AC/2 Carrier, T-12 Tiger Medium Tank, Vedette Mediun Tank; Centurion ASF (-1D?), Vulcan ASF (-5N/-6N?); Manatee Dropship

ASTURIAS
SANCTUARY STATION(still active?): Korvin Refit (-3?)
QUIXOTE INDUSTRIES: Araña ARA-S-1, Reptar Militiamechs; Tolva, Cazador Battlemechs.

BRAUNSCHWEIG
Lüneburg Vehicle Corporation: Awesome (-8Q/-9Q/C?), Surtur SUR-T1, Thunderbolt -5S, Zeus -6S Battlemechs; Demolisher Heavy Tank

CASTILE
KING DUMOUNT DEFENSE FACILITY (still active?): Wasp, Stinger Battlemechs; Rifleman, Shadow Hawk Primitive Battlemechs; LRM Carrier; Medium Strike  Conventional Fighter
ROYALS REFIT AND REPAIR STATION (still active?): BattleMech and aerospace fighter refits

FALSTERBO
HDF Manufacturing: Banshee (-3S/5S?), Urbanmech (-R60/-R63?) Battlemechs; Thrush (-7?) ASF; Inner Sphere Standard, Infiltrator, Purifier Battle Armor; Overlord Dropship

GATEWAY
Unknow Factory: Daedalus GTX2 and other Industrymechs; Star Phyton (Nexus), ¿Improved non-clan version of the original Nexus? Battletechs (¿3151?)

GÖTTINGEN
Unknow Factory: Epona Pursuit Tank

GRANADA
PRIDE OF GRANADA INDUSTRIES (still active?): Wasp, Stinger Battlemechs; Rifleman, Shadow Hawk Primitive Battlemechs
QUIXOTE INDUSTRIES: Araña ARA-S-1, Reptar Militiamechs; Tolva, Cazador Battlemechs.
ALHAMBRA REFIT STATION (still active?): Vulcan BattleMech refit
CALIPHATE AIRFIELD ALPHA: SRM Carrier; Stuka -K5 ASF

VALENCIA
Prosoma War Works: Hellion Omnimech

Now, i still have the mistery of where the Rhino Battlemech and Snow Fox Omnimech are made.

[Doc Swift]

That looks about right. I won't comment on anything that hasn't been stipulated in canon yet, so your unknowns will remain that way for now, I'm afraid. I will point out that CGS's Haphaestus-class station seems to be missing. Who knows what goodies they could be building there? :)

[tassa_kay]

Certainly not Protos.  ::)

[Doc Swift]

Thankfully.

[tassa_kay]

Hard disagree there. Protos are fun and I'm never a fan of taking options off the board.

Thankfully, I can ignore canon and run the Scorpions how I like.  :thumbsup:

[Baldur Mekorig]

That looks about right. I won't comment on anything that hasn't been stipulated in canon yet, so your unknowns will remain that way for now, I'm afraid. I will point out that CGS's Haphaestus-class station seems to be missing. Who knows what goodies they could be building there? :)

Didnt included the Haphaestus Station, yes. As with the Shark/Raven mobile factories, these mobile instalations are kind of nebolous on what it can produce.

[Doc Swift]

Hard disagree there. Protos are fun and I'm never a fan of taking options off the board.

Thankfully, I can ignore canon and run the Scorpions how I like.  :thumbsup:

Then why bring it up?

[tassa_kay]

Then why bring it up?

Because this is the Scorpion thread and I'm allowed to talk about all things Scorpion, even the stuff I dislike?

[Doc Swift]

Didnt included the Haphaestus Station, yes. As with the Shark/Raven mobile factories, these mobile instalations are kind of nebolous on what it can produce.

Gotcha.

[DarkISI]

GATEWAY
Unknow Factory: Daedalus GTX2 and other Industrymechs; Star Phyton (Nexus), ¿Improved non-clan version of the original Nexus? Battletechs (¿3151?)

Pretty sure I gave a rather exact date for the Star Pythong production line to start working in the story ;)

[Baldur Mekorig]

Pretty sure I gave a rather exact date for the Star Pythong production line to start working in the story ;)

Dont know if they were already answered, but i have a couple of questions about the Star Phyton, now that you mention dates.

The RG 23 states that the mech is produced in Braunschweig´s Imperial BattleMechs, and in Battle Story gaves a report of an encounter set in "early 3150". Maste Unit List set the mech´s intro date in 3150. Now, "Moving Foward", pag 182, paragraph 3,  states that "The first full production models of the Star Python not built during the limited run on Hephaestus Station were due to be put into production next week" (the chapter is set in the 15th of February 3151, so 22th February?). This lead to the first question(s): Is the RG or the story wrong? Or the mobile Hephaestus station counts as "part" of Braunschweig´s Imperial BattleMechs? Or maybe something enterely diferent?

Next, in the next paragraph, it says "Emmy had championed putting the old Nexus chassisback into production. It had been an Inner Sphere ’Mech, but the basic model was easy to build and maintain. Alongside an improved version of the original model, the factory would also produce a version upgraded with Clan-tech weapons.". So, we can infer that the Gateway factory would be building the Star Phyton version, but what is the "improved version of the original model"? The NXS1-A is the basic made by Comstar (and later WoB), and i doubt the Scorpions would be using the C3i-carrying NXS1-B and NXS2-A. Maybe its refers to the NXS2-B? Its a posibility, but it sports Stealth Armor, wich is a technology that i dont know if the Scorpions have been exposed enough to.

[Doc Swift]

Neither is wrong. Something can be built and available without being in full production. Prototypes are often built for field testing on proving grounds. Limited production runs allow manufacturers to iron out problems, fix bugs, that sort of thing. Imperial could build a Star or Trinary of Star Pythons for testing, making it available months or years before a full production run. Prototyping would involve building different variants to determine which is the preferred final, production model.

[Baldur Mekorig]

Neither is wrong. Something can be built and available without being in full production. Prototypes are often built for field testing on proving grounds. Limited production runs allow manufacturers to iron out problems, fix bugs, that sort of thing. Imperial could build a Star or Trinary of Star Pythons for testing, making it available months or years before a full production run. Prototyping would involve building different variants to determine which is the preferred final, production model.

Its a solid posibility. After all the RG are written IC by the Sea Foxes, wich can include wonrg information, and also the "Prototype Star Pythons, which truly embody their namesake, have begun appearing in the Scorpion Touman." excerpt in the RG can give more weight to your post.

[Doc Swift]

I think I wrote that RecGuide entry...

[DarkISI]

One could almost thunked we actually talked to each other to plot things out and make them line up ;)

[Baldur Mekorig]

One could almost thunked we actually talked to each other to plot things out and make them line up ;)

 ;D

[Sartris]

One could almost thunked we actually talked to each other to plot things out and make them line up ;)

heresy

[Baldur Mekorig]

Now a guessing game: What other stuff could the Scorpions be building in the former Hansa factories? Writers can watch and smile amused with our ideas.

[Weirdo]

Luxury Minivans. Walking ones.  :)

[Gorgon]

Now a guessing game: What other stuff could the Scorpions be building in the former Hansa factories? Writers can watch and smile amused with our ideas.

White Flames, Blue Flames and all those other poor abandoned WoB Mechs I still want to field

[Starfury]

The Zeus 9S and Daishis apparently.  I'm still trying to figure out how Wolf's Dragoons received a Spartan C, and if the Seekers decided to take up some manufacturing of old Star Leauge and Clan second line versions of them, because there is a lot of Golden Century and Star Leauge material appearing in the Scorpions' ilClan list still.  Also who's piloting the Emperor 6A Nerran? His kid? His successor?  The former leader of a pop band?

[Weirdo]

All of the above, in reverse order. It's piloted by the kid of a pop star's successor.

[Doc Swift]

I think I mentioned somewhere that they are building new examples of old Star League 'Mechs for the Seekers.

[Weirdo]

Wouldn't be surprised if any extra production gets routed to the PGCs garrisoning recently colonized worlds, or whatever forces are found in such places. The same durability and ease of repair that makes those machines attractive to Seekers operating out in the wilds would be vital for troops guarding the slightly-less-wild frontier.

[Starfury]

Ah I see Weirdo has my sense of humor.

[Flaresnake]

Does anyone know if the new mechs shown in OTP Hanseatic Crusade are going to be in a TRO or Rec Guide anytime in the future?

[Gorgon]

Does anyone know if the new mechs shown in OTP Hanseatic Crusade are going to be in a TRO or Rec Guide anytime in the future?

We haven't heard anything that would suggest that, no. Personally, even if it were planned, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. As much as I would love to see the Rhino get a picture and mini.

[Doc Swift]

I was pushing for a RecGuide: Scorpion Empire, but Ray gave me a glare so intense it actually hurt.

[JAMES_PRYDE]

Ok, I am officially starting some ilClan era Scorpion Empire (3151 onwards) campaigns/fiction and need some suggestions for expansionist targets

I was thinking how it was mentioned in here, picking at pirates, liberating territories along the edge of Rim Territories and Rim Collection ?

Or claiming the planets in between the two (this is where the pirates are?)

Looking at the IS Map too, would targeting the Chainelane Isles and The Barrens be plausible, and shoring up planets along the Invasion Corridor, taking back Waypoint 531

Having a peak what the Homeworld Clans are up to

What would expansionist forces look towards ?

[CJC070]

Ok, I am officially starting some ilClan era Scorpion Empire (3151 onwards) campaigns/fiction and need some suggestions for expansionist targets

I was thinking how it was mentioned in here, picking at pirates, liberating territories along the edge of Rim Territories and Rim Collection ?

Or claiming the planets in between the two (this is where the pirates are?)

Looking at the IS Map too, would targeting the Chainelane Isles and The Barrens be plausible, and shoring up planets along the Invasion Corridor, taking back Waypoint 531

Having a peak what the Homeworld Clans are up to

What would expansionist forces look towards ?

You may look towards more adventures with Seekers or Warriors supporting Merchants.   I would imagine the Scorpion Empire is still dealing with the damage (and minor resistance) from the Hansestic Crusade.

Remember it took the Scorpions decades to successfully integrate the Neuva Castile and Umayyad Calipahte and both were much smaller. Also unlike some of their Clan counterparts the Scorpions are more patient and have taken (by my opinion at least) a slower approach to expansion before the Hanseatic Crusade.

In no way am I knocking down you ideas I’m just saying you might want to take a different approach. Although other Clanners may spit on me for this think more mercenary a small group (roughly Star size) of Seekers looking for an unnamed object in the Periphery (the more vague the better).  Their purpose looking for fame (promotion) and fortune (Bloodname).