The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us

[rebs]

Are there still "ELH descendants". IIRC, most, if not all, died in the HW.

That was the third battalion, IIRC.  It was wiped out for story reasons, of course.

But unofficially, real life reasons linked to a court case about a certain now unnamed person who claimed the entire ELH as their IP after writing the third battalion into existence.  That one may no longer claim anything of the like since their creation was destroyed as per WoR and Khan Suvorov announcing to the Grand Council that they had died to a man and that their genetics had failed to be up to standard.

[tassa_kay]

Well, given that the ELH was called out by name in OTP: Hanseatic Crusade, and the fact that their genetics are actually in the Scorpions' program and actively being used to breed trueborns, I have to wonder how accurate that was/is now.

[rebs]

Very true - new development team in place now, and more new writers.

[CJC070]

Well, given that the ELH was called out by name in OTP: Hanseatic Crusade, and the fact that their genetics are actually in the Scorpions' program and actively being used to breed trueborns, I have to wonder how accurate that was/is now.

I bet 50 c-bills the Scorpions told the truth when saying they did not put in the members of the ELH into breeding program.  Their genetics were added after the Scorpions were kicked out of the Homeworld Clans realizing the “true taint” was coming from the Clans not the Inner Spehre.

[rebs]

I bet 50 c-bills the Scorpions told the truth when saying they did not put in the members of the ELH into breeding program.  Their genetics were added after the Scorpions were kicked out of the Homeworld Clans realizing the “true taint” was coming from the Clans not the Inner Spehre.

I think the implications of the Cloud Cobras finding the Scorpion research station in the WoR, a station that had been using ELH genetics, are that it had been going on for some time. 

But I have ALWAYS said and still agree with what you are saying - the real point of the Wars of Reaving is that all the Home Clans are just as tainted and corrupt as any other Clan they pointed their grubby fingers at - up to and including the Vipers.

EDIT

Also, in the WoR, Khan Suvorov specifically says it was the ELH third battalion warriors who had all died and their genes had proven to not be of use.

This clearly implies that any survivors of first and second battalions are fair game still.  And as mentioned previously, the honored dead from the fighting on Huntress during Operation Serpent.

[five_corparty]

Well, given that the ELH was called out by name in OTP: Hanseatic Crusade, and the fact that their genetics are actually in the Scorpions' program and actively being used to breed trueborns, I have to wonder how accurate that was/is now.

I firmly believe that, if needed, a writer can hand wave it away with a "well, they've already tested down so they don't count" kinda of statement (which is totally accurate, from a certain point of view. ;-) hahaha
Khan Suvorov was a Khan since before the CI: if CGL ever needs to clear this up, her outwitting some johnny-come-lately by very specific word choices or what not is perfectly in character and a super easy detail to write in.

just my thoughts :-)

[wantec]

I firmly believe that, if needed, a writer can hand wave it away with a "well, they've already tested down so they don't count" kinda of statement (which is totally accurate, from a certain point of view. ;-) hahaha
Khan Suvorov was a Khan since before the CI: if CGL ever needs to clear this up, her outwitting some johnny-come-lately by very specific word choices or what not is perfectly in character and a super easy detail to write in.

just my thoughts :-)

Not to mention, Suvorov is an aerospace warrior, to survive that long to become Khan and then hold the position so long in a phenotype that doesn't see much longevity says something to her skill and cunning.

[tassa_kay]

Not to mention, Suvorov is an aerospace warrior, to survive that long to become Khan and then hold the position so long in a phenotype that doesn't see much longevity says something to her skill and cunning.

As an aside, do Clan aerospace pilots really have that much higher of a mortality rate than other Clan warriors? I'd think it would be the exact opposite, since aerospace forces are often the first to be bid away and with safcon/hegira being a thing as well.

[DOC_Agren]

I want to see how his Wasp was "upgraded" over the years...   

[wantec]

As an aside, do Clan aerospace pilots really have that much higher of a mortality rate than other Clan warriors? I'd think it would be the exact opposite, since aerospace forces are often the first to be bid away and with safcon/hegira being a thing as well.

I wouldn't say that much of a difference specifically for Clan pilots, but aerospace fighters in general don't seem to be very survivable when shot down, at least compared to shooting the leg off a 'Mech, disabling the engine/gyro, or evena Mechwarrior punching out after an ammo explosion

[Baldur Mekorig]

Lovely work from God&Davion on the Scorpion Keshik camo scheme.

[glitterboy2098]

I wouldn't say that much of a difference specifically for Clan pilots, but aerospace fighters in general don't seem to be very survivable when shot down, at least compared to shooting the leg off a 'Mech, disabling the engine/gyro, or evena Mechwarrior punching out after an ammo explosion

Plus I'd imgine that any aeropilot forced to fight unaugmented due to losing the coin tosses in a trial would have a pretty short career and lfespan.

[Angrii]

The Goliath Scorpions' predilection for fighting with knives might help to even out that disparity...but only to a point.

[rebs]

...but only to a point.

[D-Rock]

My take on an Omega Galaxy Star. Much like the description of the unit in general, this Star is a mix of Inner Sphere and Clan units, possessing a mix of Star League and ClanTech mechs. 100% master list legal for the late Dark Age and IlClan era.

[GuyIncognito]

Look nice.

Similarly, kudos to God & Davion, I think that's the first time I've thought Scorpion Keshik colors looked any good.

[Centurian99]

Hurrah for getting Scorpion Empire swag in the Mercenaries Kickstarter!

[LordTree]

Only if we get to 8 million, there's not much time left. But we can look forward to it in future kickstarters probably.

[Moloch]

Only if we get to 8 million, there's not much time left. But we can look forward to it in future kickstarters probably.

They announced all the 8m goals would be unlocked to purchase in the pledge manager, we just aren't getting any of the free stretch goals.  So we won't have to wait as the scorpion empire swag is coming.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

I am debating adding a scorpion binary to my list of units. Although that might also mean I need another IS based periphery faction to balance it out. The pledge manager needs to open so I can fully update my spreadsheet.

[Baldur Mekorig]

Another doubt about cammo: What do you think its an appropiate cammo for the Grunt Galaxy/PGCS both pre and post Hanseatic Crusade? Something like "generic/appropiate cammo" or something else?

[Gorgon]

Another doubt about cammo: What do you think its an appropiate cammo for the Grunt Galaxy/PGCS both pre and post Hanseatic Crusade? Something like "generic/appropiate cammo" or something else?

Generic camo is never wrong, imho. You could even combine different camo schemes in the same unit, to represent an ad-hoc cluster that has been drawn from several different garrison units. Or you go the opposite route and take inspiration from modern british police cars, emphasizing high visibility for garrison work. Something that lets the locals know THE LAW is here. Would make it easier for the grunts to differentiate between friend and foe during a pirate raid. Just should the ones in the edgy black paint scheme.  ;D

[tassa_kay]

You could even combine different camo schemes in the same unit, to represent an ad-hoc cluster that has been drawn from several different garrison units.

This is exactly what I imagined Grunt Galaxy's camo scheme to be. Which makes sense, since the Galaxy was only raised for the Hanseatic Crusade and was not intended to be a permanent formation.

[Doc Swift]

Another doubt about cammo: What do you think its an appropiate cammo for the Grunt Galaxy/PGCS both pre and post Hanseatic Crusade? Something like "generic/appropiate cammo" or something else?

I think that might be the case for other Clans, but a number of native, freeborn warriors might only make it into the warrior caste for such units. Instead of feeling shame, I think they would be proud of their accomplishment. Thus, I think they would proudly display their colors. I think they might even eschew camo as beneath them. They would rather fight in the open and hope to prove themselves worthy of a trial for a non-garrison command. I have not detailed any specific color schemes, but that's my thinking at the moment. The Empire would not want any of its warriors to feel lesser or looked down upon. They are still part of the Clan and thus of the highest caste. (Contrast this with "Dying Breed," in which the last ProtoMech pilot was assigned to a garrison Cluster because of obsolescence. She felt shame and sought to prove herself one last time. To a trueborn like her, it was an insult. That would not be the case for those who were raised in the Empire.)

[CJC070]

Now all I see with PGC stars are Transformer (classic of course), Reboot, and X-men coloured characters.   :D

[Baldur Mekorig]

I think that might be the case for other Clans, but a number of native, freeborn warriors might only make it into the warrior caste for such units. Instead of feeling shame, I think they would be proud of their accomplishment. Thus, I think they would proudly display their colors. I think they might even eschew camo as beneath them. They would rather fight in the open and hope to prove themselves worthy of a trial for a non-garrison command. I have not detailed any specific color schemes, but that's my thinking at the moment. The Empire would not want any of its warriors to feel lesser or looked down upon. They are still part of the Clan and thus of the highest caste. (Contrast this with "Dying Breed," in which the last ProtoMech pilot was assigned to a garrison Cluster because of obsolescence. She felt shame and sought to prove herself one last time. To a trueborn like her, it was an insult. That would not be the case for those who were raised in the Empire.)

Would the Scorps to allow old Castillan/Umayyad camo schemes in these PGCs?

[Doc Swift]

Perhaps but not so direct and overt. Consider: by the time they allowed in natives in sufficient number, those personnel likely would not have ties to those particular patterns, if they even knew of them at all. In other words: possibly, but not probably.

[Weirdo]

My plan is to have a single mech in my Omega Star in such colors while the rest use the standard scheme, an honor that pilot has earned.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, does anyone know of a crime a warrior might commit that would require a temporary mark of great shame, but not justify pulling them from combat duty or transferring to a lesser unit? I've got a Fire Scorpion where I accidentally put the Clan emblem on upside down, and I don't want to redo it. My best idea was that they were the cause of great waste, such as taking part in a Seeker Quest, but through mistake or negligence their actions caused the destruction of the objective artifact.

[rebs]

Frivolous use of Necrosia.

[tassa_kay]

Assuming necrosia is even around anymore since the Great Scorpion Homogenization.