Recognition Guide: ilClan Discussion Part 5 - Comes With Everything You See Here

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

NLRMs are possibly the worst tech ever introduced into the game, in that there was absolutely no place for them in a timeline where Clan LRMs are widely available. All they did was bloat the equipment charts with something that is outclassed by pretty much every alternative.

At most they should have been experimental tech during the Civil War & Jihad eras that were abandoned as a technological dead end.

Clan rebuild with ATM 6s and Streak SRM 4s in the torso and standard SRM 2s in the arms.  Get weird with it.

Now that's the kind of wackiness I can get behind.

[Starfury]

You'd probably have Streak 10s, Streak 2s, and two ER Medium Pulse lasers for a Recguide Dervish C. There is the Dervish II C from Mechforce US Quarterly, I think
. I'd would have loved a House mech RecGuide refit for the remaining Succession War era units like the Hermes II, the Vindicator, the Hatamoto-Chi, or even the Mauler, but sadly, that was not to be. Maybe when we get Wave 3 of the new Mech Kickstarter.

[Wrangler]

WYSIWYG would prevent the use of MMLs

I did agree. Launchers are covered by missile doors. You could have autocannons under there and not know it until doors popped open.

Where is the Dervish art? Or is it not released yet.

[Sartris]

anthony scroggins' patreon

[Greatclub]

Clantech weapons, use the freed weight to boost speed to 7/11/7

I'd accept nLRM in a 3080s or 3090s mech, something in an early republic era book. I certainly wouldn't want to see them in the 3150s recguide era, when clantech is domestic or readily available for import.

[Colt Ward]

So rolled out the Mongoose 96 tonight . . . found my neighbor had 4 AC/5s with Precision Ammo . . . now, he managed to get me a bit, but my RT took hits to the armor and then into the structure . . . but was still running about at the buzzer with 1 IS point left on that RT and was useful getting some heavies to move about once I gave those ACs space.

Worst part was my Supercharger got TAC'd first turn . . . but that reinforced moved it from a 10 to a 9 roll, so not 2 crits.  Only 1 roll was successful on the RT out of the 4 attempts, and it got a DHS.

[GuyIncognito]

I guess as a possible point of discussion; if you run the Fire Falcon and Black Lanner together, have the RecGuides provided you with any new combos or are you largely running configs as you were before?

[Fat Guy]

Anthony posted Rifleman IIC renders.



The illustration in Rec Guide 23 makes it look a lot more squat. The renders are closer in proportion to the original unseen.

[Weirdo]

I guess as a possible point of discussion; if you run the Fire Falcon and Black Lanner together, have the RecGuides provided you with any new combos or are you largely running configs as you were before?

I could see a Black Lanner T or G working nicely as a support unit for Fire Falcons. The T's plasma cannon can slow down targets, allowing the Fire Falcons to either escape, or to dash in and eviscerate a target that has a reduced TMM. The G is more about providing cover for the lighter ones, as it can create a large smokescreen with all those LRM racks, while the ERPL gives accurate fire to keep opponents busy.

I see the respective T configs as working well together, as a mech that is slowed down by the Black Lanner is going to be very vulnerable to a slashing pass by a Fire Falcon T or two and the insane single-turn damage they can put out.

I'm particularly interested in seeing what a full T-config Star can do, with 2 Black Lanners and 3 Fire Falcons. Maybe sub in a single G model among the Fire Falcons, for a really nasty surprise.

[MarauderD]

So when do we get to read Scotty’s reviews of Volume 20?

[Greatclub]

So when do we get to read Scotty’s reviews of Volume 20?

when he recovers from being buried under longbows and horrified by Warhawks.

He might have also been dehydrated from drooling over mastodon.

[Scotty]

The real answer is when I recover from a really bad couple weeks at work.

[SteelRaven]

No obligation, man. We just value your option but only post when you feel like it.

[Arkansas Warrior]

No obligation, man. We just value your option but only post when you feel like it.

Ditto.  We aren’t paying you enough for you to worry about our deadlines. ;D

[MarauderD]

Ditto.  We aren’t paying you enough for you to worry about our deadlines. ;D

Hah, well put!  (Phone autocorrect really wants to put an apostrophe in every time I type well!) 

[Fat Guy]

Anthony posted the 3D Regent and said share it, so here ya go:

[MarauderD]

Looks fun to paint, I’ll take one.

[Empyrus]

Fake Hauptmann. Just can't get behind the Regent in any way because of its lineage. (Besides, too slow as Clan 'Mechs go for my tastes, outside the Dire Wolf i just don't like 3/5 Clan 'Mechs.)

Since it is modeled with hex base, i wonder if there's a plan for a plastic miniature? If so, wonder what else from the RGs might be coming in plastic miniature form... i remember some IWM Fan Funding got cancelled because of possible plans.
If not, perhaps the base is there for size reference, sorta?

One design annoyance the Regent has is that missile pod with its bent lower front edge. Since the 'Mech's an OmniMech, it feels like the missile pod should be straight and sitting atop the shoulder, as if modular pod rather than so integrated as it looks right now.
But alas, pretty much all OmniMechs after the original 16 feel like they lost their modular style.

[Sartris]

like my assaults blocky

open question: what's it like to be difficult to please? seems exhausting

[Empyrus]

Oh, right, has Scroggins posted other non-Classic non-Kickstarter designs? Wondering how many Recognition Guide 'Mechs have 3D models already. Or is the art nowadays done with 3D model first and line art produced based on that?
The RGs have bunch of designs i'd love as miniatures...

open question: what's it like to be difficult to please? seems exhausting

Only if one insist on actively hating stuff, that is exhausting. Ignoring most stuff that is not pleasing is easy.

[Sartris]

Assassin
Caesar
Cicada
Devastator
Firefly
Firestarter
Flea
Glass Spider
Goliath
Griffin IIC
Jenner IIC
Kraken
Locust IIC
Ostroc
Ostsol
Phoenix Hawk IIC
Quickdraw
Regent
Rifleman IIC
Scorpion
Shadow Hawk IIC
Starslayer
Vindicator
Vulcan

[Caedis Animus]

It's actually not that weird to have that curved launcher there. It takes up the same amount of chest real estate as the weapon opposite.

If anything, it looks far more modular than most of the O16 (Like the Summoner or Kit Fox) by dint of using the exact same weapon cowling design for the arms and side torsos. Look at the forearms and underarms; Only real difference between the arms is that one has a laser barrel where a hand would usually go. The shoulder weapons are different sizes but cut out the same amount of space, enough to visually show that the curved launcher is not, in fact, integrated.

Then again, I'm not the biggest fan of the noodle-limbed O16. The only thing keeping me from disliking them more than some of the very early BTech art and the pancake feet of some Star League designs is how clean the art for them is.

[Stormy]

That Regent is pretty, and if y’all are offended by it, I’m happy to run more. :)

[MarauderCH IIC]

Space Pope!!!  :thumbsup:

[Death_from_above]

Oh, right, has Scroggins posted other non-Classic non-Kickstarter designs? Wondering how many Recognition Guide 'Mechs have 3D models already. Or is the art nowadays done with 3D model first and line art produced based on that?
The RGs have bunch of designs i'd love as miniatures...
Only if one insist on actively hating stuff, that is exhausting. Ignoring most stuff that is not pleasing is easy.

Yeah, current design process is concept art > 3D rendering > line art.

Anthony in one of his latest replies on his Patreon :

The 3D coming before the lineart really helps out there, no being locked in to a printed illustration.

[Empyrus]

Yeah, current design process is concept art > 3D rendering > line art.

Anthony in one of his latest replies on his Patreon :

The 3D coming before the lineart really helps out there, no being locked in to a printed illustration.

Interesting. Figure this makes making miniatures easier too, later if not right away. And perhaps the 3D model makes making other art easier as well?

[DarkISI]

Interesting. Figure this makes making miniatures easier too, later if not right away. And perhaps the 3D model makes making other art easier as well?

One of the main questions I have seen from IWM sculptors has always been: "How do I design the back?" That's most certainly no longer an issue. Makes it also easier for cover artists to have makes on the cover that are facing to wards the reader.

[General308]

One of the main questions I have seen from IWM sculptors has always been: "How do I design the back?" That's most certainly no longer an issue. Makes it also easier for cover artists to have makes on the cover that are facing to wards the reader.

Is IWM useing sculpters for the ones with 3d models?  Would iniffecent to go that way when you have the printed model

[klarg1]

Is IWM useing sculpters for the ones with 3d models?  Would iniffecent to go that way when you have the printed model

IWM definitely knows how to work with 3D sculpts, but they still need to be printed and cleaned up to make physical mold masters.

[General308]

IWM definitely knows how to work with 3D sculpts, but they still need to be printed and cleaned up to make physical mold masters.

That is what I thought.  I didn't think they were doing old school sulpting on these models though.