Recognition Guide: ilClan Discussion Part 5 - Comes With Everything You See Here

[Wrangler]

Was there a entry for the Dervish? Or kickstart art done for it?

[Greatclub]

Dervish has new art IIRC, but no recguide entry

[Colt Ward]

Dervish has new art IIRC, but no recguide entry

Which was sad . . . I wanted a good 5/8/5 double MML9 55 tonner.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I think you'd have been disappointed, then.  An MML 9 wouldn't have counted as WYSIWYG for ten-count missile pods.  I think a Clantech makeover would have been more likely.

[Colt Ward]

Yeah, it would have been a 3-1 page'r valid point.  Guess, quad MML5s would have worked, but considering they declined 2 MML3s on the Battlemaster it would not have been expected.

[Arkansas Warrior]

I’d say quad MML-5s, but then you’d need to figure out what to do with the arms still, I guess.  (I mean, *I* would just put two of the MMLs in the arms, but then WYSIWYG tears it’s ugly head again.)

[Colt Ward]

iOS SRM2s

[Arkansas Warrior]

I don’t see how that makes any rational sense on a mech that’s already capable of salvoes of 20 SRMs, but sure.  I guess that works.  For certain values of ‘work’.

[BrianDavion]

WYSIWYG would prevent the use of MMLs, but at the same time it doesn't prevent a mixed tech base. you could use clan LRM launchers. WYSIWYG also often allows the replacement of SRM2s with paired lasers so... a dervish with twin clan LRM 10s and 6 medium lasers or something'd work and actually be pretty solid

[Sartris]

I swear if they put nlrms in on it I’m flying into the responsible party’s house like Ric Flair off the top rope

[MarauderD]

for a WYSIWYG dervish I think I'd go with a mixed tech chassis, clan tech the LRMs, then use weight saving materials to replace the guns with Medium lasers of some varient.

Agreed--I'm thinking Clan-Spec LRM-10s and probably 4 medium Re-Engineered Lasers to deal with DCMS forces.  That, or stick with the Exostar 'Pinnacle' Clan spec ER Mediums being produced in the Fedsuns. 

[MarauderD]

I swear if they put nlrms in on it I’m flying into the responsible party’s house like Ric Flair off the top rope

NLRMS and Extended Range LRMS are starting to feel like the Neanderthal of the BattleTech LRM evolutionary tree.

[Sartris]

Extended has its uses. Niche, but not needlessly side-graded

[MarauderD]

Extended has its uses. Niche, but not needlessly side-graded

True--unless you play Alpha Strike.......

[Sartris]

That’s not the ELRM’s problem

[Colt Ward]

WYSIWYG would prevent the use of MMLs, but at the same time it doesn't prevent a mixed tech base. you could use clan LRM launchers. WYSIWYG also often allows the replacement of SRM2s with paired lasers so... a dervish with twin clan LRM 10s and 6 medium lasers or something'd work and actually be pretty solid

How does it prevent MMLs?  You just have to match the launcher count- so why the quad MML5s is what counts, two 5s on each side torso and plug the iOS SRM2 in the arms.  The iOS SRM2 gets interesting b/c IIRC it will not halve a load like normal ammo bins . . . so let it have more regular ammo types in the full bins, but give each wrist launcher TC SRMs?  Gives you quite a bit of a specialized shot.  Or put infernos in the wrist shooters, keeps you from having that volatile load of ammo in the bins.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

There's already the Dervish 9D for quad MML-5s.

[Colt Ward]

NTNU?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

No, it's in TRO 3050 Upgrade

[MarauderD]

There's already the Dervish 9D for quad MML-5s.

Definitely the current Dervish champ--and since it was never a banned image, it should get the makeover when the rest of the Dervishes do. 

I'd still like a Rec. Guide treatment for that Dervish, the Vindicator, and a couple other old TRO 3025 gems--but I think those will have to come in some other format in the future.

[Jal Phoenix]

NLRMs are possibly the worst tech ever introduced into the game, in that there was absolutely no place for them in a timeline where Clan LRMs are widely available. All they did was bloat the equipment charts with something that is outclassed by pretty much every alternative.

If I was redoing the Dervish, I'd go with paired ELRM 10s, and figure the rest out from there. I understand the reasoning behind the WYSIWYG requirements, so it doesn't much bother me. It can be viewed as a restriction, or as a challenge to your design ability. I love some of the wacky stuff it's led to, like the Crossbow T, or that Shadow Hawk with the five Thunderbolt launchers.

[Istal_Devalis]

I’d say quad MML-5s, but then you’d need to figure out what to do with the arms still, I guess.  (I mean, *I* would just put two of the MMLs in the arms, but then WYSIWYG tears it’s ugly head again.)

My custom went for six MML-3 launchers, so the total tubes remained the same, but you ended up with three missile tubes in each paddle instead of 2, and nine tubes in each torso. WYSIWYG would downplay that one too.

But man is 'and then it launches 24 SRMs at you' kinda hilarious.

[Zeruel]

How does it prevent MMLs?  You just have to match the launcher count-

aren't MMLs always depicted as a double set of holes? 1 larger/1 smaller per missile?

[Colt Ward]

No, otherwise it would just be two racks.

[Scotty]

Clan rebuild with ATM 6s and Streak SRM 4s in the torso and standard SRM 2s in the arms.  Get weird with it.

[MarauderD]

Clan rebuild with ATM 6s and Streak SRM 4s in the torso and standard SRM 2s in the arms.  Get weird with it.

That would be (Sea) Foxy.

[Zeruel]

No, otherwise it would just be two racks.

what do you mean "no"?...take a look at the Osprey and Eyleuka for visual depictions of the MML

each missile port is depicted as a double hole

[Colt Ward]

not my day . . . yeah, I pulled them up on Sarna, and checked the Crusader 8L . . . that port is together making a weird triangle shape.

[Ghaz]

aren't MMLs always depicted as a double set of holes? 1 larger/1 smaller per missile?

Not really a double set of holes, but they were more keyhole shaped and looked like the launcher on the Shillelagh in a lot of the artwork.

[Cache]

aren't MMLs always depicted as a double set of holes? 1 larger/1 smaller per missile?

Always, no. Initially and often, yes.