VotW - Small Support Vehicles

[RifleMech]

Pretty much occupied by VTOL BA or jump infantry . . . but who would not want to see-

Zooming about the battlefield?

I'd love to see Little Nellie zooming about the battlefield.  >:D
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/39/cb/3939cb82704f025164a9dea4962efe0b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFozWDLne7c

[Sabelkatten]

I'd love to see Little Nellie zooming about the battlefield.  >:D
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/39/cb/3939cb82704f025164a9dea4962efe0b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFozWDLne7c

My first thought as well! :D

[RifleMech]

My first thought as well! :D

:D  :thumbsup:

[Colt Ward]

Hoverbikes . . . you said b/c they were 'cycles' they could move through woods, to clarify just light woods?  How do they handle buildings?  I am thinking of using a hoverbike just for s&g in a upcoming game to have something racing around.

[Weirdo]

Hoverbikes . . . you said b/c they were 'cycles' they could move through woods, to clarify just light woods?  How do they handle buildings?

Exactly the same way as any other vehicle. :thumbsup:

[Welshman]

Exactly the same way as any other vehicle. :thumbsup:

You make me wish we would have thought of that in TacOps. Letting bikes go through light buildings would have been awesome!

"Sir, a company of armed bikers just roared out of that department store trailing lingerie!"

[idea weenie]

You make me wish we would have thought of that in TacOps. Letting bikes go through light buildings would have been awesome!

"Sir, a company of armed bikers just roared out of that department store trailing lingerie!"

Later:
"I said briefCASE, not briefs chase!"
"Sorry boss, but they do look good on you"
"Well of course they look good on- get out of my Sight!"

(Maria Morgraine has lovable idiots for subordinates)

[Colt Ward]

Ok, just wanted to check since Protomechs handle them more like infantry than mechs.

[Weirdo]

Using SSVs is all about tradeoffs. Individual bikes are a LOT faster, but grouping them into a motor or mechinf platoons gives you infantry shenanigans such as looting Aisle 3. :thumbsup:

[Colt Ward]

Just looking to wring the max advantage I can when I bring it rather than it being considered a init sink in a combined arms battle.  Spotting for a Archer's IDF, backshooting, and blocking enemy movement are the top 3 right now.

Can these small SVs let MagClamp BA ride?  MagClamp protos?

[Weirdo]

I highly doubt it in both cases. I know they can't carry regular BA even if they're Omnis, but it might be worth checking with the Rules Forum.

[Colt Ward]

Pretty sure it would not work with Protos, mechs get a penalty depending on size of mech & proto.  I would imagine it would work the same as the Omni answer, since magclamps are more restrictive on the carrying vehicle.

Love to see some Dragoon PA(L) or Light BA . . . rides a motorcycle or hoverbike to get to a deployment area, dismounts and proceeds as the normal BA.  But operate/dismount has not been a mechanic BT included for table top, leaving it to RPGs.

[Nikas_Zekeval]

You make me wish we would have thought of that in TacOps. Letting bikes go through light buildings would have been awesome!

"Sir, a company of armed bikers just roared out of that department store trailing lingerie!"

I see, the Blues Brothers rule.  "Make that driver's skill check to not crash into the music store."

[Wrangler]

Love how in depth this went. Thank you for your time writing this up, Weirdo.

[Welshman]

I see, the Blues Brothers rule.  "Make that driver's skill check to not crash into the music store."

That's where the Pink Demolisher II is hiding. You can tell by the Icelandic Death Rock coming out of the store...

[Goose]

From this forum, right into the news: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukrainian-missile-teams-are-using-old-school-motorcycles-with-sidecars

[Marveryn]

I highly doubt it in both cases. I know they can't carry regular BA even if they're Omnis, but it might be worth checking with the Rules Forum.

I would think they would be a weight issue with battlearmor.  too heavy may cause certain vehicles to have issue with its handling from that may cause it to tip over.

[idea weenie]

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[Weirdo]

Article removed. Will be restored when the customs talk is 100% gone.

[Goose]

[pokefan548]

Article removed. Will be restored when the customs talk is 100% gone.

Respectfully, you couldn't have just given them a quick mod notice? Seems a bit extreme to purge the article, even temporarily, over one member throwing out the outline of a hypothetical custom.

[Liam's Ghost]

Respectfully, you couldn't have just given them a quick mod notice? Seems a bit extreme to purge the article, even temporarily, over one member throwing out the outline of a hypothetical custom.

There... was a mod notice. And multiple requests not to discuss custom units. Because people kept doing it.

EDIT: And also the standing rule not to discuss custom units in the fan articles section.

[SteelRaven]

Why we can't have nice things...

[BATTLEMASTER]

I thought it was a good article.  I like all kinds of support vehicles in general as they add a kind of RL component to BattleTech where there was none previously - at least officially, anyway.

I still think their integration into the game, specifically small support vehicles, is a missed opportunity that I hope is addressed by TPTB in the future.

[SteelRaven]

It is a great write up, gives me good reason to look up those books.

I disagree with my fellow players about it being a 'missed opportunity' but rather hard to fit in a game with Battlemechs that can stomp tanks underfoot. I won't argue about rules or perceptions on infantry in game as this is what killing a great topic but I see the inclusion of Small Support Vehicles as something great for RPing and world build (much like the stuff in TRO:VA) and while I don't believe we need stats for every vehicle (no, I don't want starts for a 2039 Honda Civic) it's great to have solid examples for gaming purposes.

[BATTLEMASTER]

I think my favorite of them is that Hell's Horses hovering.  It reminds me of a Star Wars AAT combined with a STAP.

[RifleMech]

I thought it was a good article.  I like all kinds of support vehicles in general as they add a kind of RL component to BattleTech where there was none previously - at least officially, anyway.

I still think their integration into the game, specifically small support vehicles, is a missed opportunity that I hope is addressed by TPTB in the future.

It is a great write up, gives me good reason to look up those books.

I disagree with my fellow players about it being a 'missed opportunity' but rather hard to fit in a game with Battlemechs that can stomp tanks underfoot. I won't argue about rules or perceptions on infantry in game as this is what killing a great topic but I see the inclusion of Small Support Vehicles as something great for RPing and world build (much like the stuff in TRO:VA) and while I don't believe we need stats for every vehicle (no, I don't want starts for a 2039 Honda Civic) it's great to have solid examples for gaming purposes.

I agree. I do hope we get better integration in the future. I also hope we get more small vehicles. Ever since Combat Equipment, I figured that small vehicles could be a lot tech/low cost alternative, and even counter, to Battle Armor. Especially since they'd already be in service. They worked well in that roll with the RPG Support Weapon Conversion Table in Combat Equipment. They got really nerfed with TechManual. :( Still, envisioning swarms of Tankettes charging a Battle Armor Platoon makes me smile.  ;D

[Daryk]

It seems the offending post was removed... can we have the article back please? ???

[Weirdo]

Article restored. The next time any post even twitches in the direction of non-canon designs or rules, it will be disappeared forever. People put a lot of work into these articles, it's time everyone else learned that disrespect has consequences.

[Weirdo]

I thought it was a good article.  I like all kinds of support vehicles in general as they add a kind of RL component to BattleTech where there was none previously - at least officially, anyway.

I still think their integration into the game, specifically small support vehicles, is a missed opportunity that I hope is addressed by TPTB in the future.

I'm very confused. SSVs *are* integrated into the game, as are their larger cousins.