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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #30 on: 25 April 2023, 16:57:04 »
Not really that big.  A standard mech battalion with command lance has 13 lances and 40 mechs, vice 14.5 lances and 26 mechs for Paget’s Dragoons. 
A Standard Mech Battalion has 9 Lances not 12.   +1 Command = 10.   40 Mechs correct.    28 Mechs for Pagets
So you sacrificed 12 Mechs for 22 Vees & 8 BA Squads.
An extra 18 "units"
By Tonnage maybe its more/less, but my point was # of units.


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Fewer mechs but bigger companies, battalions, or regiments when combat vehicles and BA are counted.
I don't see the units as bigger.
I see them as managing to bring all those Regiments back on line from no where in FM:CC v/s the left overs of the 4th SW.


Yeah, I could see the clear "focus" for each company. 
Definitely a unit that is stronger at Battalion level than single companies would be alone. 
Worthy of one of those Faction bonuses where its initiative based on # of units.
"Paget's gets a +1 to Initiative if 20+ Units are on the board, but take a -1 Initiative when operating 12 or less units"... kind of thing.
&/or   The Command Lance adds an additional +1 Initiative bonus when on the field but the they suffer a -2 penalty if the CO is destroyed.
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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #31 on: 25 April 2023, 20:54:35 »
So you sacrificed 12 Mechs for 22 Vees & 8 BA Squads.

If it takes two vehicles to match one mech, then that’s about right.

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I don't see the units as bigger.
I see them as managing to bring all those Regiments back on line from no where in FM:CC v/s the left overs of the 4th SW.

Cappie regiments reconstituted with augmented lances will have to have more total units if they’re going to match up against a pure mech regiment.

Transport is another issue...
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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #32 on: 25 April 2023, 22:07:26 »
Alright, so quick relevant hijack;

Is a Capellan Auglance equal to one regular lance or one and a half regular lances, when it comes to forming a company?

The former would be 8 mechs 4 other units, and the latter would be 12 mechs and 6 other units, so I'm unsure about what it would be considered.

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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #33 on: 25 April 2023, 23:14:56 »
Typically it's two augmented lances per company, so you're back to the 12 unit paradigm.
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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #34 on: 25 April 2023, 23:53:49 »
From Sarna via FM:3085

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Augmented Battalion
This formation is used by the CCAF and consisted of four companies of two augmented lances each and a command lance.

The most commonly used augmented lance in these battalions consisted of four 'Mechs and a pair of conventional tanks. The four companies provided thirty-two 'Mechs and the command lance added four more. This gave the augmented battalion the same firepower as a standard battalion, but included sixteen armored vehicles for additional fire support.


4 companies of 2 augmented lances
One battalion command lance
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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #35 on: 26 April 2023, 15:13:01 »
From Sarna via FM:3085

4 companies of 2 augmented lances
One battalion command lance

That's exactly how I built my Thuggee Warrior House, using the FM3085 and FM3145 guidelines and using augmented lances as much as I could: 2 Mech battalions consisting of 4 companies of two augmented lances each, and 2 infantry battalions consisting of 4 companies of two augmented lances each, with an augmented command lance for each battalion.
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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #36 on: 26 April 2023, 15:23:17 »
Interesting, it seems the Command Lance isn't Augmented in that formation.

And it's all the 4M/2V for the 4 companies.
Well, at least "most common" anyway.

Didn't realize 4 co was the norm for a full Aug Bat.

I kind of like the Pagents above better, more combined arms.
Not so cheesy of flat out saying you have 36 mechs still AND an extra 4 Tank Platoons.
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Re: Augmented Lances and Related Force Configurations
« Reply #37 on: 12 May 2023, 15:18:47 »
Looks like the Paget's Dragoons is missing their Air Lances of Triples.

Would these be attached or separate groupings?

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