Author Topic: Weaselly Wiesel  (Read 1077 times)

Sabelkatten

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Weaselly Wiesel
« on: 05 October 2023, 09:38:10 »
Was reminded of the old Wiesel thread recently and decided to take a look at what one can do with a FCE-powered mini-omni-tank and fractional accounting.

It got... a bit less than impressive. :undecided:

My old copy of SAW doesn't want to do fractional accounting correctly, but here are the proposed stats:
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5 ton IS tracked combat vehicle
0.5 tons Structure
0.25 tons Controls
1.2 tons 45 FCE, speed 9/14
0.2 tons Turret, 2 ton capacity
0.85 tons HFF armor, 16 points
Front 5
Right 2
Left 2
Back 2
Turret 5

Podspace: 2 tons, 3 slots

With only one fixed heat sink the energy options are severely limited - standard or ER small laser are the only options. Fractional accounting for the ammo makes other weapons a bit more viable:

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Prime: MML3, ammo 0.5 tons (10 LRM, 8 SRM)
A: 3xMagshot, ammo 16
B: 3xLMG, ammo 67
C: 2xRL/10, 1xRL/15
D: 3xFlamer, ammo 10 (how long do you expect to survive at point-blank of PO'd infantry?!?)
E: ERSL, 0.45 tons cargo
F: TAG, RL/10, VGL
G: GECM, VGL
H: BAP, Remote sensor dispenser
I: 1 ton infantry compartment, 2xVGL
J: Bulldozer
K: Medium bridgelayer
L: 2 tons comm equipment

And, of course...

M: 2 tons cargo

So, what do you say? Maybe the armor should drop another two points to give it limited amphibious capabilities? azn

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #1 on: 05 October 2023, 17:23:54 »
I say wheels for 13/20 speed! ;D

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #2 on: 06 October 2023, 04:14:01 »
That is certainly possible, but it's not really a tankette any longer if you take the tracks off...  :wink:

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #3 on: 06 October 2023, 15:52:51 »
True, true... though I think it would still count if you only dropped the turret... ;)

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #4 on: 15 October 2023, 19:22:09 »
Why 2 RL10, 1 R15?  why not 4 RL10 for range, shoot and scoot?
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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #5 on: 16 October 2023, 12:23:12 »
Why 2 RL10, 1 R15?  why not 4 RL10 for range, shoot and scoot?
Only 3 slots. Didn't need more slots for any other config, so 5 rockets got sacrificed for a little armor.

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #6 on: 16 October 2023, 17:05:18 »
Dropping the turret could solve the armor problem... ;)

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #7 on: 20 October 2023, 02:45:22 »
Pintle Mounts are your friend...

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #8 on: 20 October 2023, 04:08:06 »
Definitely not a fixed mount. It could be a pintle, except CBT pintely mounts don't allow 2-ton weapons!

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #9 on: 20 October 2023, 05:01:53 »
{Points quietly to my signature, which links to a certain thread that is relevant here}
I love my Wiesel XII. Yes, yes I do.

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #10 on: 20 October 2023, 05:07:23 »
And Sabelkatten?
Don't be discouraged. Like, at all. It took me around 8 months of fiddling around with sizes, engine size, and armor carried, before I finalized the Wiesel in the old thread.

The fact you were able to get that many configs figured out already is a testament to skill as a designer, and not a mark against you.
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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #11 on: 20 October 2023, 05:18:16 »
Coming up with configurations is a bit of a speciality of mine. :wink: But, frankly, on a design with only two tons of capacity it's more about checking what gear can even be mounted! :laugh:

Also, I kind of invaded your thread too... I got two Wiesels in there. :smiley: But all of them are fusion powered which makes practical configs a lot simpler (MLs for the win!). I really wanted to see if a FCE could make for a practical unit too, and I'd say it worked out. azn

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Re: Weaselly Wiesel
« Reply #12 on: 20 October 2023, 13:22:49 »
There's the Wire-Guided Missile from AToWC that could be used on a Pintle Mount.

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